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Just saw the video,you cant see any injuries,scuffs or that alleged nose broken,however he could have been treated/wiped by EMT at the scene so it doesnt fully prove anything against him or in his defense...
3 witness' gave statements that say martin was on top of zimmerman beating his head in and zimmerman was crying out.
what exactly was the lad doing in a gated community in which he didn't live nor was he visiting somebody he knew (that we know of yet)?
these observations and more make me leery of my initial assement of the case and that it was murder...appears more and more like justified action.
duke lacrosse team 2.0 it would appear, i fully expect staged pandemonium when the bro is found not guilty
what exactly was the lad doing in a gated community in which he didn't live nor was he visiting somebody he knew (that we know of yet)?
these observations and more make me leery of my initial assement of the case and that it was murder...appears more and more like justified action.
duke lacrosse team 2.0 it would appear, i fully expect staged pandemonium when the bro is found not guilty
It would be nice to know exactly what Martin was doing that Zimmerman found suspicious.
redsamurai
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correct me if i'm wrong but he was staying with someone in that gated community was he not? that was the whole point of the story to begin with...he was walking back to the house where he was staying. He walked around the corner to the gas station to get candy and pop didn't he? It does change this story if that was not the case, but Zimmerman still "directly" defied the 911 dispatcher so it will be easy to convince a jury that he initiated any sort of altercation. Ur not allowed to walk up to someone, pick a fight with him, then shoot him in "self defense". That's what sounds like happened here. YOung man probably took offence to being followed and told the dude to get the fuck away from him or he's gonna throw down. At which point Zimmerman has the legal obligation, because he's carrying a weapon...to stand off. If he kept following and harrassing the black kid it's gonna be quite a stretch to prove self defense. I'm interested to hear the forensics report to how Travon was shot. If he was shot at any distance whatsoever Zimmermans case is out the window cause he's claiming the dude got ontop of him and pounded his head into the ground. If Travon did do that but then got up to leave cause he beat the dude up, you still can't take your gun out and shoot him as he's walking away especially since you goaded the whole situation to begin with. If the shot was at point blank range then he can argue he shot the kid as his head was getting smashed into the ground. He's still gonna see jail time for that cause he instigated the situation...but it will be considered mitigating circumstance then.
PICK3
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rs!!!!!!!!!
gatemoney
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This is just ridiculous!
Ppl Really believe That zimmerman was brought into the police station and he and all the cops sat around saying...
No no no don't even worry about it bro,
" It was just another black boy you shot, who cares"
If you believe that this is the type of thing that is happening right now then you are a complete and total moron.
Obviously he hasn't been charged for a reason! And common sense would say it is because he was being assaulted!
Ppl Really believe That zimmerman was brought into the police station and he and all the cops sat around saying...
No no no don't even worry about it bro,
" It was just another black boy you shot, who cares"
If you believe that this is the type of thing that is happening right now then you are a complete and total moron.
Obviously he hasn't been charged for a reason! And common sense would say it is because he was being assaulted!
WoodyO
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I believe he was being blaque, which seemed odd to Zimmerman.
for someone who claims to be following this case, you sure don't seem to know the basics: Martin was visiting his father's fiancee's house. He was walking back there after having made a trip to a local convenience store for a ice tea and candy.
i'm following the case just like everyone else is, with what i've gathered online and on the radio.
looks like i missed this fact, my story becomes more complete, i'm not above being wrong sorry.
looks like you have picked your version of events (innocent kid, buying skittles) and i have picked mine.
fly to fight?
did you see the recent surveillance video of Zim when they brought him to the station after the incident? its all over the media today because people are saying in the video it appears he has little to no injury, which is contradictory to his claim that he was beat to a bloody pulp by this kid.
I didnt really watch the video much so I can't comment on it.
fly to posedown, the winner then must re-fly back to fight sb and the loser has to fly to montreal (layover in nyc) to smang bluteh??
the tape has been debated on talk radio all day, one side saying it validates that zimmerman lied/exaggerated, the other saying he would have been tended to and treated by the medic at scene and that the video is really hard to tell.
but no i haven't had the time to watch the video...this trial will be hella interesting, like i said before it appears the little innocent boy buying skittles singing church music was not the case
no, i don't think he was, based on zimmerman's father's testimony and that of the witness' accounts.
but we will see, and btw i support those folks who are sick of having their homes broken into and patrol their neighberhoods, plagued with this shit in s/east michigan were some of my family lives.
teehee!
seriously though i watched that video...zimmerman appears to have no injuries that i can see on his face, you'd think with a smashed noggin he would have some bruising/scratches something.
i didn't see any of that.
gonna be a knockdown drag down fight in court, if zimmerman wasn't attacked then i don't think lethal force is justifable.
this case will be talked about for yrs after the fact
Yeah. I'd been hearing how his head hit the pavement and his nose was broken...yadda yadda.
Even if meds cleaned him up before the police were with him a. You don't wipe away a broken nose, there's be visible trauma and b. I really don't believe if his nose were ever broken, he'd be with police and not a hospital...scrapes and bruised maybe, broken shit, no. Seems fishy.
I'm trying not to pay too much attention before court though. There's no point. Nothing we hear til then is real.
it is Bush's fault isn't it
redsamurai
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here's the thing bino....if I walk up to you on the street and pick a fight with you, and you start to get the upper hand and I pull out a gun and shoot you, you see where this is going right? It's been verified he directly disobeyed the 911 dispatcher. They told him not to walk after the dude cause there was nothing suspicious about walking down the sidewalk with a can of pop in your hands and a convenience store plastic bag. He did it anyway and so he's gonna have to prove he didn't start the altercation...which is going to be hard.
kid was black while holding skittles, that was his crime, oh and wearing a hoodie.... once the dude started harassing him it really became his fault, gotta wait and see how this unfolds
no, they told him that so a officer could arrive on scene and handle the matter.
there is no binding law that says you must obey a 9/11 dispatcher, i have spent considerable time working in a dispatch center fielding calls (not 9/11 calls though) and you suggest not demand
Really? I wonder why. The only time I've ever had to talk to the cops I was at a hospital for a few hours before I ever talked to them.
it doesn't seem like you have waited to see how it unfolds, afterall you say he was black while holding skittles and was harrassed.
what color was he when he wasn't holding skittles? Cuz that could change things.
I wonder if sales of skittles have gone up or down as a result of all this.
They've gone up. I'm in PR so I've kind of been paying attention to how Skittles has been handling things.
They thought about making a donation with the increased profits, but rightfully found the approach to be kind of loaded considering emotions are running high and there's such different stories floating around.
Instead they're staying super quiet about the situation but have put out a statement saying they are not and will not be trying to illicit sales from the publicity their getting.
Lumberg
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layddually
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This was all a set up by big brother telling media what to say so they can try to take away our second amendment right....
mrplunkey
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Yup. That one is all on the parents.
They should have used the situtation as a good object lesson on two things:
1) History and context matters.
2) Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's to be done.
I haven't skimmed through this whole thread yet, but here's a little article that helps furthers that notion (written by a black dude, no less)-
A MINORITY VIEW
MEDIA DISHONESTY AND RACE HUSTLERS
by WALTER WILLIAMS
When NBC’s “Today” show played the audio of George Zimmerman’s call to a Sanford, Fla., police dispatcher about Trayvon Martin, the editors made him appear to be a racist who says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.” What Zimmerman actually said was: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining, and he’s just walking around, looking about.” The 911 officer responded by asking, “OK, and this guy – is he black, white or Hispanic?” Zimmerman replied, “He looks black.” NBC says it’s investigating the doctoring of the audio, but there’s nothing to investigate; its objective was to inflame passions.
In his Associated Press article titled “Old photos may be deceptive in Fla. shooting case,” Matt Sedensky pointed out that the photos carried by the major media were several years old and showed Zimmerman looking fat and mean and Martin looking like a sweet young kid.
Jesse Jackson told the Los Angeles Times that “blacks are under attack” and that “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business,” adding that Martin is “a martyr.” President Barack Obama chimed in by saying, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Let’s look at some non-news cases. On March 14 in Tulsa, Okla., a white couple suffered a home invasion by Tyrone Woodfork, a 20-year-old black man. Ninety-year-old Bob Strait suffered a broken jaw and broken ribs in the attack. His 85-year-old wife, Nancy, was sexually assaulted and battered to death, ending their 65-year marriage.
On March 4, two black Kansas City, Mo., youths doused a 13-year-old boy in gasoline and set him on fire, telling him, “You get what you deserve, white boy.” Last summer, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing white families.
Several years ago, in Knoxville, Tenn., a young white couple was kidnapped by four blacks. The girl was forced to witness her boyfriend’s rape, torture and subsequent murder before she was raped, tortured and murdered. Before disposing of her body, the three men and one woman poured bleach or some other cleaning agent down her throat in an effort to destroy DNA evidence. A jury found the four guilty, and they were sentenced, but because of the judge’s drug use, a retrial is being considered.
None of those black-on-white atrocities made anywhere near the news the Trayvon Martin case made, and it’s deliberate. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons, in an effort to “guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion.”
One doesn’t have to be a liberal, conservative, Democrat or Republican to see the danger posed by America’s race hustlers, who are stacking up piles of combustible racial kindling and ready for a racial arsonist to set it ablaze. Recruiters for white hate groups must love President Obama’s demagoguery in saying that a son of his would look like Trayvon but not saying that Melissa Coon’s 13-year-old son, who was set on fire, could have looked like a son of his. After all, the president is just as much white as he is black.
Even if the president and his liberal allies in the media and assorted civil rights hustlers don’t care much about blacks murdering whites, what about blacks murdering blacks? During a mid-March weekend in Chicago, 49 people were shot, 10 fatally, including a 6-year-old black girl, making for more than 100 murders this year. Philadelphia isn’t far behind, with murder clipping along at one a day since the beginning of 2012. Have we heard Obama make a statement about this carnage or that most homicide victims are black and that their murderers are black? No, and we won’t, because black-on-black crime, like black-on-white crime, does not fit the liberal narrative of the continuing problem of white racism.
Walter E. Williams, Ph.D., is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. He holds a Doctor of Humane Letters from Virginia Union University and Grove City College, Doctor of Laws from Washington and Jefferson College and Doctor Honoris Causa en Ciencias Sociales from Universidad Francisco Marroquin, in Guatemala, where he is also Professor Honorario.
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I suppose though, because he's an olda brotha, his opinion don't matter much.
Never underestimate the power of the young and the stupid in droves to sway public opinion.
redsamurai
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you can't provoke an altercation then pull a gun once you're getting your ass kicked. It's really just that simple. I have no doubt the kid finally bowed up and jumped him, so would most of the people here. As soon as he disobeyed the dispatcher he lost all his standing.
to me the whole issue boils down to the good old fashioned "he started it" Zimmerman had no fucking business playing vigilante, specially after being told to stand down, even more when the kid tried to run AWAY from him.
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PICK3
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Your point isnt very clear bro.
mrplunkey
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wut if he were Jewish
I'm guessing Redsam would be all for running him out of this country!
redsamurai
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the esse should really have kept his mouth shut on this one though..seriously. It's obviously not as bad as when the republicans tried to step into the Shiavo case but it's along the same lines...there's some things the president ought to stay out of, especially since he knew at the time about as much as we did about the whole thing. The accredited response of his should have been no fucking comment now ask me shit about how i'm running the country.
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redsamurai
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i like my way better 
mrplunkey
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*credited
irregardless
lololololol!
PICK3
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He was not told to stand down, he was told they didn't need him to keep following, which is completely different than being ordered (like the dispatcher has any authority to order someone to do anything anyways) to stop. At that point his breathing into the phone slowed down according to the tape and dispatcher, which would signify that he was not running after the kid any longer (most likely).
The relatively short distance to the place Trayvon was going shows that he would have had to double back and come back to Zimmerman and start the confrontation unless you believe a high school football player in decent shape would need 90 seconds to go the couple hundred yards to his fathers fiancees house. I posted a very detailed link earlier in the thread. Hiding the coached, coerced testimony of the supposed GF behind her being a minor is pretty fucking weak.
GZ had a CCW for his firearm, which makes him carrying it legal in any place not specifically prohibited by law or by a sign from the owner of the property.
Other evidence could be released to complicate the process more, and it seems like that would be par for the course during this investigation. The fact remains that the sum of the facts so far bolster GZ's version of events. Had race baiting opportunists not taken this case by the reigns a calmer public would undoubtedly have a less skewed version of the facts and evidence in the case.
It's very unfortunate that people are using this case as a case against gun ownership.
If he jumped him it was the kid starting the confrontation. End of story.
I'll say it again, maybe it will stick in your head this time. HE DIDNT DISOBEY THE DISPATCHER, THE DISPATCHER DIDNT ORDER HIM TO DO ANYTHING.
That has to be the most stupid, ignorant article posted to date.
You dont shoot to injure, you shoot to kill. You aim center mass and hope you hit your intended target.
Some stupid woman's opinion that you need to shoot someone in the leg instead of attempting to end the assault against yourself effectively shows ignorance towards the proper use of a firearm.
It still doesnt matter, the guy followed him and harrased him for NO reason, he started shit and when the kid fought back he sure as hell finished it
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Even if that's how that happened (and I seriously doubt that's even close) what he did was legal, what trayvon did wasn't.
I didnt know that buying skittles and walking home minding your own damn business was illegal.
redsamurai
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Here's the transcript...Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police
the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that". By the end of the call Zimmerman was not following Trayvon anymore, he apparently listened to the dispatcher who does indeed have the right to tell you to STOP ACTING LIKE A FUCKING POLICE OFFICER.
So basically after this call is through Zimmerman went and reacquired Trayvon. And apparently got out on foot...remember during the dispatcher call he was in his car. Had he stayed in his car and shadowed Trayvon the kid would probably still be alive and zimmerman wouldnt' be sitting in jail waiting on murder charges. The fact he got out of his ride KNOWING FULL WELL HE WAS armed is the nail in this coffin dude, where do you not get this? Even if Trayvon was casing the neighborhood, which maybe he was who knows now....everything Zimmerman did points to a provocation, and you can't do that. Standards completely change when you're armed. If there's a fight and you go in to break it up and catch a few punches do you have the right to pull out your piece and blow the two pugilists away? Use your brain dude.
Attacking someone is illegal. He wasn't walking home either. He was walking to a place where nobody in his family even lived, himself included.
He's not in jail for the record.
The dispatcher telling him we don't need you to do that is in no way shape or form an order.
The dispatcher was also a civilian not a LEO.
Your grasp of gun laws is laughable. If I thought it was worth the effort and wasn't breaking any copyrights I'd upload all the paper portions of the NRA courses I've taken so you could read for yourself about confrontations, brandishing, caste doctrine, self defense and stand your ground laws.(opencarry has a lot of the info online I just remembered or st east it did a few years ago)
GZ was acting like a concerned citizen, trayvon doubled back and started shit and he got smoked.
(this is all unless more evidence is released that counters the established storyline)
And for what it's worth, considering Florida is gated community after gated community the kid had to have some idea about neighborhood watch groups.
mrplunkey
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Please cite the law or court ruling that states "standards completely change when you're armed".
look...Im a gun owner, and believe in someones right to protect themselves
but zimmerman behaved like a vigilante and you just can't have that
I couldn't care less what either of them have for a color of skin...
following a suspect (of whatever he suspected him of) and confronting them is not only stupid...its dangerous
the entire thing could have very well of gone a different direction...what is some bystander was shot in all of this by a stray shot?
if someone follows me with a weapon and brandishes that weapon Im either flattening thm first with my own gun, beating the shit out of them (or trying) or running like a god dammed gazelle
and if the kid had bolted and run and still been shot would that of been cut and dry enough for everyone? somehow I doubt it.
but zimmerman behaved like a vigilante and you just can't have that
I couldn't care less what either of them have for a color of skin...
following a suspect (of whatever he suspected him of) and confronting them is not only stupid...its dangerous
the entire thing could have very well of gone a different direction...what is some bystander was shot in all of this by a stray shot?
if someone follows me with a weapon and brandishes that weapon Im either flattening thm first with my own gun, beating the shit out of them (or trying) or running like a god dammed gazelle
and if the kid had bolted and run and still been shot would that of been cut and dry enough for everyone? somehow I doubt it.
^^^ my point exactly
redsamurai
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it's in the permit laws, if you "intentionally" provoke a confronatation while armed you're finished. Of course this is going to be the debate whether Zimmerman did that or not. So far it sounds like that's exactly what he did when he got out of his car despite the dispatcher telling him not to. You have a concealed permit plunk? If you do i suggest studying it some cause it should be there in your Ark. permit that deliberately provoking a confrontation is a flagrant 2 subject to automatic ejection. But why "read"...just go to a bar this weekend and start a fight, you don't even have to pull or brandish the weapon...just let the cops know when they come that you're armed. If they verify that you started the fight see what happens. Ur grandchildren will be denied gun ownership.
redsamurai
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mrplunkey
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Why so much ranting?
Please cite the law or court ruling that states "standards completely change when you're armed". I want to see you post a single credible source.
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redsamurai
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it's in the permits....look it up. The one i saw was AZ, pretty sure OH is the same way. You cannot deliberately provoke a fight while armed, even if the gun never gets shown. It's right there in the permit writing. The adobe file from the AZ permit wouldn't let me copy and paste for some reason or i would have linked it. So yes you are held to higher standards in an altercation than if you were unarmed. I remember this from a case here in my hometown about five to ten years ago where a dude started a bar fight and ended up having a wrestling match over the gun....he will never have a concealed permit ever again. Now if he had started that fight while not in possesion of a permit it's still possible he could have applied for a permit later on barring any felony convictions for the fight. But while armed, different standards and that's the deal when you get a liscense to carry. If you can't accept the added responsability no weapon for you...and that's the way it ought to be.
redsamurai
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If zimmerman can prove definitively he retreated, even if he provoked the fight...then i beleive the courts have said your right to self defense is refreshed. But only if he retreated. That remains to be seen. From the beginning it sounded like he got out of his car and chased trayvon...that doesn't sound like retreat. But if he was just shadowing him and Trayvon took offense and came after him, then the shooting will likely be justified.
machine23
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Exactly! Like Rahm Emanuel one said, " you never want a serious crises to go to waste" they are so going to attack the second ammendment. Just like they were going to try and do with "fast and furious"..,
machine23
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I haven't skimmed through this whole thread yet, but here's a little article that helps furthers that notion (written by a black dude, no less)-
A MINORITY VIEW
MEDIA DISHONESTY AND RACE HUSTLERS
by WALTER WILLIAMS
When NBC’s “Today” show played the audio of George Zimmerman’s call to a Sanford, Fla., police dispatcher about Trayvon Martin, the editors made him appear to be a racist who says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.” What Zimmerman actually said was: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining, and he’s just walking around, looking about.” The 911 officer responded by asking, “OK, and this guy – is he black, white or Hispanic?” Zimmerman replied, “He looks black.” NBC says it’s investigating the doctoring of the audio, but there’s nothing to investigate; its objective was to inflame passions.
In his Associated Press article titled “Old photos may be deceptive in Fla. shooting case,” Matt Sedensky pointed out that the photos carried by the major media were several years old and showed Zimmerman looking fat and mean and Martin looking like a sweet young kid.
Jesse Jackson told the Los Angeles Times that “blacks are under attack” and that “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business,” adding that Martin is “a martyr.” President Barack Obama chimed in by saying, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Let’s look at some non-news cases. On March 14 in Tulsa, Okla., a white couple suffered a home invasion by Tyrone Woodfork, a 20-year-old black man. Ninety-year-old Bob Strait suffered a broken jaw and broken ribs in the attack. His 85-year-old wife, Nancy, was sexually assaulted and battered to death, ending their 65-year marriage.
On March 4, two black Kansas City, Mo., youths doused a 13-year-old boy in gasoline and set him on fire, telling him, “You get what you deserve, white boy.” Last summer, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing white families.
Several years ago, in Knoxville, Tenn., a young white couple was kidnapped by four blacks. The girl was forced to witness her boyfriend’s rape, torture and subsequent murder before she was raped, tortured and murdered. Before disposing of her body, the three men and one woman poured bleach or some other cleaning agent down her throat in an effort to destroy DNA evidence. A jury found the four guilty, and they were sentenced, but because of the judge’s drug use, a retrial is being considered.
None of those black-on-white atrocities made anywhere near the news the Trayvon Martin case made, and it’s deliberate. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons, in an effort to “guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion.”
One doesn’t have to be a liberal, conservative, Democrat or Republican to see the danger posed by America’s race hustlers, who are stacking up piles of combustible racial kindling and ready for a racial arsonist to set it ablaze. Recruiters for white hate groups must love President Obama’s demagoguery in saying that a son of his would look like Trayvon but not saying that Melissa Coon’s 13-year-old son, who was set on fire, could have looked like a son of his. After all, the president is just as much white as he is black.
Even if the president and his liberal allies in the media and assorted civil rights hustlers don’t care much about blacks murdering whites, what about blacks murdering blacks? During a mid-March weekend in Chicago, 49 people were shot, 10 fatally, including a 6-year-old black girl, making for more than 100 murders this year. Philadelphia isn’t far behind, with murder clipping along at one a day since the beginning of 2012. Have we heard Obama make a statement about this carnage or that most homicide victims are black and that their murderers are black? No, and we won’t, because black-on-black crime, like black-on-white crime, does not fit the liberal narrative of the continuing problem of white racism.
Walter E. Williams, Ph.D., is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. He holds a Doctor of Humane Letters from Virginia Union University and Grove City College, Doctor of Laws from Washington and Jefferson College and Doctor Honoris Causa en Ciencias Sociales from Universidad Francisco Marroquin, in Guatemala, where he is also Professor Honorario.
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I suppose though, because he's an olda brotha, his opinion don't matter much.
Never underestimate the power of the young and the stupid in droves to sway public opinion.
This guy knows what's he's talking about. Everyone forgot about NBC editing the tape.. And so much more. Obama the department of justice can care 2 shits about that kid. They are just not going to let a crises go to waste.
mrplunkey
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You mean to say you found something on the internet and can't post a procedure to find the same content? The link to the PDF couldn't be copied out of your browser URL window?
Just take a screenshot of the text and post it on tinypic along with a citation. I want to see a law that states "standards completely change when you're armed".
redsamurai
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but isn't GZ a messican? why even bring this other shit up?
Standards dont change. You cant provoke someone then beat their ass just as you cant provoke someone then use deadly force (gun)
Texas CHL law page 58
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf
Texas has reciprocation with florida so should be same
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mrplunkey
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Yup, that's why I knew he'd never post anything of substance.
Since he posted misinformation, I guess it's up to you and me to clean it up.
A person's ability to use deadly force with or without repercussion varies from state to state, but the laws fall into essentially two buckets:
"Castle Laws" that deal with people invading your home
and
"Stand Your Ground" laws that deal with how to address immediate threats against you
And your duties under these laws do not change if you have a conceal and carry permit and/or legally concealing a weapon at the time.
A conceal and carry permit allows you to hide a number of deadly weapons on your person, but does not allow you to waive those weapons around, threaten other people with them (even if they aren't brandished) or initiate violence. If you do any of those three activities, you can be criminally prosecuted just as if you didn't have a CCP in the first place. So again, there's no difference there either.
redsamurai
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If you start a bar fight in my state while armed ur in more trouble than if you weren't packing. Of course it's situation dependant as well. But if it's just two drunk guys barfighting you'll sit in jail for a day and be done with it. If the cops show up and find the piece on you and determine you started the fight you are going to sit in jail for more than 24 hours and will likely face the revocation of your CCW.
What state do you live
Makes sense, better goobermint teet to suckle
princeofsin
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Crazy stuff but so much confusion with this story.
redsamurai
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moved back from canada when i had the health issue...insurance decided to stop covering me there even though shit is cheaper up there, I dunno but anyway..i live in OH right now. There was a case about this a couple years ago by a dude who did just as I described and started a bar fight...the gun was not brandished during the fight but when cops showed up they obviously figured out he was carrying when they took everyone downtown. Dude was in serious shit when they reviewed the video that clearly showed him starting the fight.
I distinctly remember reading in the paper that he got sentenced tougher because he had a CCW and got drunk and provoked the fight. When i looked at the AZ CCW weapons permit it clearly states that you cannot deliberately provoke any sort of altercation while you're armed....and it makes sense people. It's an escalation issue....because if you provoke an altercation and then the other guy escalates, you are GOING to draw...this takes us into LE territory.
That's why Zimmerman has the burden of proof to prove that he didn't deliberately provoke the altercation AND he made a reasonable attempt to withdraw. The law states that after making a legitimate effort to withdraw your right to self defense is refreshed. What does that mean? That means that if you provoke an altercation you absolutely DO NOT have the right to defend yourself with lethal force, even if you're getting ground and pounded MMA style. So this is why they write that language into the permits, to remind people they can't be fucking around while they're packing the finality that is a firearm. "OF COURSE" the standards are going to be judged higher if you engage in altercation while you're armed. That means that if it had just been a fist fight GZ might get the benefit of the doubt...but since he was carrying a firearm all his actions prior to the altercation are going to be examined, did he do everything he could to not provoke Trayvon...and then did he do everything he could to withdraw from the situation. If he can prove that then fine....but alot of stuff doesn't add up in his story. We shall see....i for one don't have an opinion on this whole thing because too much information is still missing. But anybody that has a CCW and doesn't think that he's going to be scrutinized to a higher standard than if he wasn't armed is fooling himself.
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were u born in the U.S.?
Awwwh, man Plunkey is going to have a field day with "health issue"!
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