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VeggieLifterChick said:
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MS/ STEEL
VeggieLifterChick said:
re: preparation for veggies - I go raw. Highest vitanmin content, more perceived fullness (for me). If you prefer them hot, steam them. I just keep a zillion of those plastic ziploc containers with blanched edamame, raw spinach, beans and broccoli in the fridge. If the flavor (or lack of it) is unbearable, try homemade italian with olive oil dressing or sprinkle Ranch mix on them. *just a little*
SteelWeaver
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AAARRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! #$%%&&%#$%
I just wrote the longest reply in the HISTORY of Elite, giving you every single possible link and bit of advice I could think of to help you, then when I hit submit reply, the %$%'&$%&E%$ machine had logged me out, and I lost everything!!!!!!
#$%#$%%T
I will try again later, I'm sorry - I'm too friggin' frustrated now - damn, that was the most fucking useful post I've ever made! DAMMIT!
I just wrote the longest reply in the HISTORY of Elite, giving you every single possible link and bit of advice I could think of to help you, then when I hit submit reply, the %$%'&$%&E%$ machine had logged me out, and I lost everything!!!!!!
#$%#$%%T
I will try again later, I'm sorry - I'm too friggin' frustrated now - damn, that was the most fucking useful post I've ever made! DAMMIT!
VeggieLifterChick
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aww that sucks Steel! 
I can't wait to read your post when you get over the rage
I can't wait to read your post when you get over the rage
Ahh SteelWeaver, it happens to me all the time too. But it's usually because my computer crashes instead of a server time-out. I've learned to keep my replies shorter (to the appreciation of most board members).
Makedah, as usual a keen question:
"I have a question - if it's been answered elsewhere, then someone kindly point me to the post! But protein powders are processed too. Why are they superior in this sense to veggie burgers?"
They are not superior for cutting, especially if they are intentionally designed to taste good. Whole foods are best IMHO, but if you restrict your diet to the extent that you don't allow yourself meat, ( in other words vego) then you are pretty much forced into using some protein powders while dieting. In this instance I would personally recommend you find the WORST tasting powders. We're only human (even worse, female) and if it tastes good it is very VERY easy to eat too much of it. This includes foods that are salty, sweetened (even if artificially), or drinkable. Anything sweet and chocolate flavored is particularily bad news for your average dieting female. Aside from that, protein powders do not seem to be as satiating as whole proteins from my observations. Foods designed to immitate meat products are even more irresistable to a lot of vegetarians in my experience. If you are craving meat-like foods then I personally think you're better off eating real meat.... Your body is trying to tell you something. Otherwise just add in a LOT more veggies, and cut as much processed food as you can. Avoid salty or sweet stuff.
Refeeds...........................................maybe I'll wait for Steel to repost her links etc... It is a complicated topic and may not apply to you if you have not yet lost much fat.
Makedah, as usual a keen question:
"I have a question - if it's been answered elsewhere, then someone kindly point me to the post! But protein powders are processed too. Why are they superior in this sense to veggie burgers?"
They are not superior for cutting, especially if they are intentionally designed to taste good. Whole foods are best IMHO, but if you restrict your diet to the extent that you don't allow yourself meat, ( in other words vego) then you are pretty much forced into using some protein powders while dieting. In this instance I would personally recommend you find the WORST tasting powders. We're only human (even worse, female) and if it tastes good it is very VERY easy to eat too much of it. This includes foods that are salty, sweetened (even if artificially), or drinkable. Anything sweet and chocolate flavored is particularily bad news for your average dieting female. Aside from that, protein powders do not seem to be as satiating as whole proteins from my observations. Foods designed to immitate meat products are even more irresistable to a lot of vegetarians in my experience. If you are craving meat-like foods then I personally think you're better off eating real meat.... Your body is trying to tell you something. Otherwise just add in a LOT more veggies, and cut as much processed food as you can. Avoid salty or sweet stuff.
Refeeds...........................................maybe I'll wait for Steel to repost her links etc... It is a complicated topic and may not apply to you if you have not yet lost much fat.
SteelWeaver
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Aaah, heavy legs - DONE! 
OK, I'm going to try this again. A tip, to anyone else who has this problem - oh, and MS, please don't shorten your posts just because of a silly MACHINE - remember - you're smarter than the machine (why am I not smart enough to religiously follow my own advice?): "select all" then ctrl + c BEFORE pressing "submit reply" - that way it's on your clip-pad if the machine has logged you out and sends you to platinum sign up (the secret black hole of Elite), and you emerge victorious: sign in, paste and post!!!! Whoo hay!!!
OR - work in wordpad or MS Word and press save every paragraph - I do this at work for just about everything - whole system crashes about noon every day ...
Now, VLC. I'm going to forgive you for not using the search button on this occasion, since these 2 links are not on Elite itself, but there is a WEALTH of information on refeeds on Elite if you use the search feature.
So, refeeds. First, go here:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/pastissues.html
and read the articles called "Leptin: The next big thing" Parts I, II, III and IV, in issues #3, #4, #5 and #7. You might have to read them a few times, but they are WELL worth it.
Then, having grounded yourself in some theory, go here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=...fitness.weights
(courtesy of MS on my thread about refeeds currently just a little way down the women's page) and read the entire thread, paying particular attention to anything Lyle McDonald, Elzi Volk or Par Deus say. While you're there, run a search on variations of the word "refeed" - ~s, ~ing, etc.
Then come back to Elite, and if you still don't feel satisfied, run a search here on refeeds under Par Deus or MS's user names. Also, PwB, Vageta and plornive had some very good posts/comments/q's on refeeds, so you might want to search those names too.
Your other questions: cabbage, broccoli, etc: lightly steamed. Or you could shred the cabbage raw and serve it with a *dash* of soy sauce. Don't BOIL your veggies
I don't know anything about biotest grow, but whey digests much faster than other proteins, so you may not want to be using too much whey except post-w/o. I use a 50% soy isolate, 30% casein 20% whey blend I got from www.proteinfactory.com - custom blend - tastes like shit, but like MS said, sure prevents one eating too much of the stuff, lol.
For more information on proteins, go here:
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/protein-01.htm
and read all four parts of Lyle's article. The links to parts 2, 3, 4 are in each subsequent part.
Clean food is basically anything that you can pick off a tree, a bush, um, field crop, out of a nest, the ground, or with a shotgun
For you that means egg whites, yams, sweet potatoes, brown/wild rice, any kind of legume - chick peas, black beans, kidney beans etc., - broccoli, cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, etc. Avoid pumpkin, peas, carrots (in excess) - you know, northern winter soup type veggies. They're less fibrous, more starchy - you'll be doing yourself out of the nice REALLY glycogen stores filling carbs if you have too many of those. I THINK (???) Hmm, maybe someone can comment on that.
FF cottage cheese is OK, even if you can't pick it off the land - it's still pretty close. The protein in it is casein, slow-absorbing, and it doesn't have too many carbs, unlike milk and yoghurt. The lactose in those breaks down to glucose and galactose, the latter of which refills liver glycogen first, and when you don't have a lot of carbs to go around (which you DON'T, on a diet), you want to be sending what you can to your muscles for ATP/CP replenishment. Skipping the fruit is a good idea for the same reason - fructose refills liver glycogen stores first. Oh, I think, also, there's a connection between liver glycogen stores and fat-burning - your body thinks you're A-OK, ready to go, full of fuel and satiated when liver stores are full - I dunno - someone in the know can clarify here.
GI stuff:
"Does the GI of a food have an effect on perceived fullness? "
YES - high GI usually = sugar = huge blood sugar spike = insulin spike = fat storage and also = blood sugar crash = WANT MORE CARBS NOW!!!!
This is why most of America is obese, and why diabetes and insulin insensitivity are becoming such a problem. Thus, do not eat sugar or high GI foods ever if you can help it, except maybe on refeed days or post-w/o.
For more info on GI values and foods that are low - high GI, go here:
www.mendosa.com
Low GI carbs will promote sustained release of energy into the system, without dips and spikes = GREAT workouts and generally greater feeling of fullness/satiation (mostly because lower GI foods are also higher in fibre).
"What is dextrose, exactly? Is that a sort of sugar?"
Yes. It's up to you, but I'd skip all sugar on a diet (except on refeed days, if that).
OK, now, water: one, it makes you feel full (for about 5 minutes and then you down another glass )
two: all of this:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8357&highlight=water
I posted my diet for you before, VLC. I know you weren't too thrilled to see it, but it's the real deal. For now you can probably lose quite steadily just keeping your calories down, eating CLEANLY, drinking tons of water, training like a wild animal, and having a refeed every 2-3 weeks, if that. I'm not sure that you need them at 21%. From 15% down is when you'll really start needing them, but I can't see how a controlled carb-up along the lines of Beverly International (do a search for valerie's posts) would hurt in the meantime.
There will come a point where cottage cheese and carrots actually DO make a difference, but for now, happy reading!
Good luck!
(Oh, and I'm COMPLETELY open to corrections and additions here - there's only so much learning one can do with limited time)
OK, I'm going to try this again. A tip, to anyone else who has this problem - oh, and MS, please don't shorten your posts just because of a silly MACHINE - remember - you're smarter than the machine (why am I not smart enough to religiously follow my own advice?): "select all" then ctrl + c BEFORE pressing "submit reply" - that way it's on your clip-pad if the machine has logged you out and sends you to platinum sign up (the secret black hole of Elite), and you emerge victorious: sign in, paste and post!!!! Whoo hay!!!
OR - work in wordpad or MS Word and press save every paragraph - I do this at work for just about everything - whole system crashes about noon every day ...
Now, VLC. I'm going to forgive you for not using the search button on this occasion, since these 2 links are not on Elite itself, but there is a WEALTH of information on refeeds on Elite if you use the search feature.
So, refeeds. First, go here:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/pastissues.html
and read the articles called "Leptin: The next big thing" Parts I, II, III and IV, in issues #3, #4, #5 and #7. You might have to read them a few times, but they are WELL worth it.
Then, having grounded yourself in some theory, go here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=...fitness.weights
(courtesy of MS on my thread about refeeds currently just a little way down the women's page) and read the entire thread, paying particular attention to anything Lyle McDonald, Elzi Volk or Par Deus say. While you're there, run a search on variations of the word "refeed" - ~s, ~ing, etc.
Then come back to Elite, and if you still don't feel satisfied, run a search here on refeeds under Par Deus or MS's user names. Also, PwB, Vageta and plornive had some very good posts/comments/q's on refeeds, so you might want to search those names too.
Your other questions: cabbage, broccoli, etc: lightly steamed. Or you could shred the cabbage raw and serve it with a *dash* of soy sauce. Don't BOIL your veggies
I don't know anything about biotest grow, but whey digests much faster than other proteins, so you may not want to be using too much whey except post-w/o. I use a 50% soy isolate, 30% casein 20% whey blend I got from www.proteinfactory.com - custom blend - tastes like shit, but like MS said, sure prevents one eating too much of the stuff, lol.
For more information on proteins, go here:
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/protein-01.htm
and read all four parts of Lyle's article. The links to parts 2, 3, 4 are in each subsequent part.
Clean food is basically anything that you can pick off a tree, a bush, um, field crop, out of a nest, the ground, or with a shotgun
For you that means egg whites, yams, sweet potatoes, brown/wild rice, any kind of legume - chick peas, black beans, kidney beans etc., - broccoli, cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, etc. Avoid pumpkin, peas, carrots (in excess) - you know, northern winter soup type veggies. They're less fibrous, more starchy - you'll be doing yourself out of the nice REALLY glycogen stores filling carbs if you have too many of those. I THINK (???) Hmm, maybe someone can comment on that.FF cottage cheese is OK, even if you can't pick it off the land - it's still pretty close. The protein in it is casein, slow-absorbing, and it doesn't have too many carbs, unlike milk and yoghurt. The lactose in those breaks down to glucose and galactose, the latter of which refills liver glycogen first, and when you don't have a lot of carbs to go around (which you DON'T, on a diet), you want to be sending what you can to your muscles for ATP/CP replenishment. Skipping the fruit is a good idea for the same reason - fructose refills liver glycogen stores first. Oh, I think, also, there's a connection between liver glycogen stores and fat-burning - your body thinks you're A-OK, ready to go, full of fuel and satiated when liver stores are full - I dunno - someone in the know can clarify here.
GI stuff:
"Does the GI of a food have an effect on perceived fullness? "
YES - high GI usually = sugar = huge blood sugar spike = insulin spike = fat storage and also = blood sugar crash = WANT MORE CARBS NOW!!!!
This is why most of America is obese, and why diabetes and insulin insensitivity are becoming such a problem. Thus, do not eat sugar or high GI foods ever if you can help it, except maybe on refeed days or post-w/o.
For more info on GI values and foods that are low - high GI, go here:
www.mendosa.com
Low GI carbs will promote sustained release of energy into the system, without dips and spikes = GREAT workouts and generally greater feeling of fullness/satiation (mostly because lower GI foods are also higher in fibre).
"What is dextrose, exactly? Is that a sort of sugar?"
Yes. It's up to you, but I'd skip all sugar on a diet (except on refeed days, if that).
OK, now, water: one, it makes you feel full (for about 5 minutes and then you down another glass
)two: all of this:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8357&highlight=water
I posted my diet for you before, VLC. I know you weren't too thrilled to see it, but it's the real deal. For now you can probably lose quite steadily just keeping your calories down, eating CLEANLY, drinking tons of water, training like a wild animal, and having a refeed every 2-3 weeks, if that. I'm not sure that you need them at 21%. From 15% down is when you'll really start needing them, but I can't see how a controlled carb-up along the lines of Beverly International (do a search for valerie's posts) would hurt in the meantime.
There will come a point where cottage cheese and carrots actually DO make a difference, but for now, happy reading!
Good luck!
(Oh, and I'm COMPLETELY open to corrections and additions here - there's only so much learning one can do with limited time)
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Being a compulsive eater myself, I can tell you: Compulsive eaters eat when they are NOT hungry. That's the definition of compulsive eating. If you are feeling hungry, it isn't a question of being compulsive or lacking willpower.
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