Indefatigable Homosexuals

[TC2]

Men will try to stick their dicks in anything, never stopping to thinkabout the consequences. Sad but true...

Thats why I love chicks...

-BRR

You really think chicks are any better now a days??

They're just as nasty as guys only they're better at hiding it.

 

[Spartacus]

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.

And I often get knocked because the HIV shelter I support is only for women and children.

Last time I checked, there wasn't any women or children here fucking all over the place.

I hope you understand this wasn't a gay-bash thread
I'm just aghast at this new strain and the other new strains
I was in my 20s in the 80s and I remember the whole outbreak like it was yesterday
first labled "gay cancer" etc.
my roommate wouldn't drink nothing but bottled beer
I read that excellent book "And the Band Played On"

if this shit starts vectoring we're gonna go through it all over again
I buried about a dozen guys who died of AIDS back in the 90s and it's been years now since I've seen another case

 

[Spartacus]

And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic is a book written by San Francisco Chronicle journalist Randy Shilts (original copyright 1987) chronicling the discovery and spread of HIV and AIDS, with a special emphasis on alleged government indifference to what was initially perceived as a "gay disease." The title of the book appears to be a reference to the oft-repeated story about the dance band in the first-class lounge of the Titanic, who kept playing as the ship was sinking.

The book is an extensive work of investigative journalism, written in the form of an extended timeline, with the events that shaped the epidemic presented as sequential matter-of-fact summaries. It begins with a prescient description of the U.S. Bicentennial celebration in New York City: the Tall Ships (and their sailors) came from all over the world, and they came to New York. Some of the sailors were gay, and some of them carried sexually-transmitted diseases and rare tropical fevers. Some of the gay sailors met New Yorkers and other Americans and had sex with them.

The story segues to a classic tearjerker: the first European to catch the disease was Grethe Rask, a Danish surgeon working in a hospital in rural Zaire under primitive conditions. Dr Rask, an open and monogamous lesbian, was from Thisted, north of the Lim Fjord, where her companion lived. Danes from north of the fjord were known for an independent, plain-spoken nature. She chose to work in Africa, rather than Copenhagen, because it gave her a chance to run a department, or even a whole hospital, by herself, without first spending decades under the eye of male supervisors, as she would have in Denmark: she accepted that primitive conditions were the price of working in a Third-World hospital. She couldn't have gotten infected in any of the more common ways, since she was a lesbian living a celibate life in Africa and was not a drug addict; but she was at great risk from needle sticks and similar hazards in a hospital where normally-disposable gloves and needles were resterilized and reused until obviously worn out (which made sterile procedure nearly impossible). In addition, Sub-Saharan Africa is a fertile source of exotic "tropical fevers." Her first symptoms showed during a Christmas Eve celebration for her newly-arrived and homesick colleague, Ib Bygbjerg, and she soon developed symptoms of several now-well-known opportunistic infections, including pneumocystis pneumonia. She soldiered on until she was clearly too ill to continue; and then she returned to Denmark, where the best Western medicine was not good enough to diagnose this novel infection. Her Danish doctors could recognize the opportunistic infections that could only arise after her immune system had been ravaged, but they couldn't understand the significance of this combination of usually-rare, usually-feeble infections, and they had no treatments that worked in the absence of a functioning immune system. She finally gave up and refused to submit to further tests: she returned home and died there, cared for by her long-time companion, a registered nurse. Dr Bygbjerg had also returned to Denmark, where his mentor advised him "Don't bother with pneumocystis: it's too rare to matter." It eventually became less rare, but it was only a symptom, not the whole disease. Dr Bygbjerg then studied lymphocytes, which were at the center of the problem.

The book includes extensive discussion of Gaetan Dugas (who died in 1984 [1]), who was labelled the "Patient Zero" of AIDS (a claim which was challenged in later years). Randy Shilts himself died of AIDS in 1994.

The original 1987 St Martin's Press hardback edition was followed by a 1988 Penguin paperback, which had an addendum covering more recent events. It doesn't re-examine the Dugas story, which was questioned by many, including Dr Paul Darrow, who had done the original cluster study that gave Dugas the codename "Patient O" ("Oh," for Out-of-Town), not "Patient Zero," which has a specific meaning in epidemiology. By definition, Patient Zero, or the Index Case, is the first case in an outbreak. Shilts assumed that Dugas was the original source of the infection among gay men in North America. Darrow had not reached this conclusion at the time he had published his first report on the cluster of puzzling infections He later concluded that the study had been flawed. Unfortunately, Dugas died in 1984, before he could confirm or deny Shilts' characterization of him. By that time, Shilts had constructed a number of scenes with Dugas, ascribing thoughts or dialogue that could not be confirmed. If Dugas had lived longer, perhaps his version might have been aired--perhaps in court. The case is moot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On

 

[goblue1997]

And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic is a book written by San Francisco Chronicle journalist Randy Shilts (original copyright 1987) chronicling the discovery and spread of HIV and AIDS, with a special emphasis on alleged government indifference to what was initially perceived as a "gay disease." The title of the book appears to be a reference to the oft-repeated story about the dance band in the first-class lounge of the Titanic, who kept playing as the ship was sinking.

The book is an extensive work of investigative journalism, written in the form of an extended timeline, with the events that shaped the epidemic presented as sequential matter-of-fact summaries. It begins with a prescient description of the U.S. Bicentennial celebration in New York City: the Tall Ships (and their sailors) came from all over the world, and they came to New York. Some of the sailors were gay, and some of them carried sexually-transmitted diseases and rare tropical fevers. Some of the gay sailors met New Yorkers and other Americans and had sex with them.

The story segues to a classic tearjerker: the first European to catch the disease was Grethe Rask, a Danish surgeon working in a hospital in rural Zaire under primitive conditions. Dr Rask, an open and monogamous lesbian, was from Thisted, north of the Lim Fjord, where her companion lived. Danes from north of the fjord were known for an independent, plain-spoken nature. She chose to work in Africa, rather than Copenhagen, because it gave her a chance to run a department, or even a whole hospital, by herself, without first spending decades under the eye of male supervisors, as she would have in Denmark: she accepted that primitive conditions were the price of working in a Third-World hospital. She couldn't have gotten infected in any of the more common ways, since she was a lesbian living a celibate life in Africa and was not a drug addict; but she was at great risk from needle sticks and similar hazards in a hospital where normally-disposable gloves and needles were resterilized and reused until obviously worn out (which made sterile procedure nearly impossible). In addition, Sub-Saharan Africa is a fertile source of exotic "tropical fevers." Her first symptoms showed during a Christmas Eve celebration for her newly-arrived and homesick colleague, Ib Bygbjerg, and she soon developed symptoms of several now-well-known opportunistic infections, including pneumocystis pneumonia. She soldiered on until she was clearly too ill to continue; and then she returned to Denmark, where the best Western medicine was not good enough to diagnose this novel infection. Her Danish doctors could recognize the opportunistic infections that could only arise after her immune system had been ravaged, but they couldn't understand the significance of this combination of usually-rare, usually-feeble infections, and they had no treatments that worked in the absence of a functioning immune system. She finally gave up and refused to submit to further tests: she returned home and died there, cared for by her long-time companion, a registered nurse. Dr Bygbjerg had also returned to Denmark, where his mentor advised him "Don't bother with pneumocystis: it's too rare to matter." It eventually became less rare, but it was only a symptom, not the whole disease. Dr Bygbjerg then studied lymphocytes, which were at the center of the problem.

The book includes extensive discussion of Gaetan Dugas (who died in 1984 [1]), who was labelled the "Patient Zero" of AIDS (a claim which was challenged in later years). Randy Shilts himself died of AIDS in 1994.

The original 1987 St Martin's Press hardback edition was followed by a 1988 Penguin paperback, which had an addendum covering more recent events. It doesn't re-examine the Dugas story, which was questioned by many, including Dr Paul Darrow, who had done the original cluster study that gave Dugas the codename "Patient O" ("Oh," for Out-of-Town), not "Patient Zero," which has a specific meaning in epidemiology. By definition, Patient Zero, or the Index Case, is the first case in an outbreak. Shilts assumed that Dugas was the original source of the infection among gay men in North America. Darrow had not reached this conclusion at the time he had published his first report on the cluster of puzzling infections He later concluded that the study had been flawed. Unfortunately, Dugas died in 1984, before he could confirm or deny Shilts' characterization of him. By that time, Shilts had constructed a number of scenes with Dugas, ascribing thoughts or dialogue that could not be confirmed. If Dugas had lived longer, perhaps his version might have been aired--perhaps in court. The case is moot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On

Excellent book and movie. Everyone should atleast watch the movie. The thing i dont believe is the CDC stating there is about 1mil people infected in the US. How do they even come up with that number??!! I would be willing to bet that number is much higher.

 

[tanka]

Billions of dollars spent on research and developing powerful new drugs, decades of warnings and public service announcements, still gays find new ways to have AIDS kill them.

That is a very valid point.Very similar to a serious case in point that was made by me with a touch of humour several months ago as ILMFAO, see below.It seems as though some homosexual men, through life style choices are unwittingly fermenting far more deadly strains of this virus in their alimentary canals,...........................There is no vaccine for stupidity or ignorance. Which is precisely why so many homosexual men still die of full blown AIDS.Of far greater cause for concern in the homosexual community is the fact that, SCIENTISTS have just discovered a far more DEADLY, mutated version of the AIDS VIRUS..... in a homosexual male, formerly living in new york.Now, a very much dead homosexual in a box, in New York.This far more deadly version .....KILLS WITHIN WEEKS OF CONTRACTION.The authorities are working in the knowledge that he led a typically "active",nefarious, homosexual life style and are trying to trace any, shirt lifting friends he may of had a,.. "relationship" with.I do hope its not too serious.with the way this is all progressing, broke butt 2 will have to show the two tent love birds, in neck to foot plastic jump suits.... face masks and surgical gloves just to send out the right, health and safety message.A sort of, "equally valid" homosexual version of gone with the wind in the twenty first century, i suppose..

 

[AAP]

Tanka, where you been idiot?

Your problem is that you were posting stats and data that you pulled out of your ass and claiming they were from a credible source, without actually citing that source or providing a link.

Basically, you lied.

I'll bomb you later tonight. Why? Just because John Wayne was gay.

 

[tanka]

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.
.

Your own words aap agree in essence with the above post.ASS has always been your favorite word princess. Your whole world seems to revolve around it.Male ass.DONT DIE OF IGNORANCE.I guess you must be a man as you do have some hair on your chest.By the way the nipple ring suits you.With out courage there can not be truth. with out truth there can be no other virtue.Bomb away crybaby.

 

[Tiervexx]

The huge majority of Aids infections are actually heterosexuals. It’s just in developed countries that it’s mostly gay people. Though it is more socially acceptable to blaim us then foreign minorities...

Any honest strait man would admit that it would be as bad among American heterosexuals if women where as willing to have sex as they are and pregnancy were not an issue.

It’s also more then likely that the statistics underestimate the number of heterosexuals in America that have it because so many view it as a strait problem and don’t get tested.

http://www.utac.org/statistics.shtml

 

[Spartacus]

The huge majority of Aids infections are actually heterosexuals. It’s just in developed countries that it’s mostly gay people. Though it is more socially acceptable to blaim us then foreign minorities...

Any honest strait man would admit that it would be as bad among American heterosexuals if women where as willing to have sex as they are and pregnancy were not an issue.

It’s also more then likely that the statistics underestimate the number of heterosexuals in America that have it because so many view it as a strait problem and don’t get tested.

http://www.utac.org/statistics.shtml

bulls hit
see post 10
I anticipated such a comment

 

[Spartacus]

I'm a mortician trex
w/o a doubt the aids cases I've seen were homosexual men
ask me how I know?
there's these events before the funerals called visitations/wakes when the friends and family of the deceased gather and share
it's a no brainer

doesn't matter to me what your orientation is
but as a guy that bought into that whole "it's got it's foot in the door" paranoia about it's spread to heteros
I got checked in 1993 and I was sweating the results

nothing but a gay PR campaign to garner more resources for research

I can google the transmission rates
but fact is the rectum wasn't designed to be penetrated and the tissues aren't as tenacious as a vagina's,which is designed to expand(hell expanding the vagina is pleasureable)
also too the lower colon is designed to pull fluid out of the stool
no more nutrient absorption there,just removing "fluid" to form a solid stool
you don't need to be louis pasteur to understand why butt fucking is problematic

sure heteros engage in butt fucking
it's not the main thing

also too gay men fuck and get fucked in the butt
so the vector continues

a gal gets buttfucked and inseminated with HIV sperm
she doesn't then go out and butt fuck some guy
the vector terminates

btw lesbians are the safest group so I don't buy this "scourge from God shit" either