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Stillskinny

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well to be honest i've been working out for 7 months now and i have seen gains, but they arent that significant. ive gone from 120lbs to a decent 160lbs now but i still look tiny compared to my buddy who juices. He went from 130lbs to a big 180lbs now and hes huge, his gains went through the roof. the lack of gains or rather slow progress ive been seeing in myself have put me down mentally. my weight gains are slowing down but im still dedicated. my goal is to reach 180lbs by 5 months but i dont think thats possible at the rate im going now.
 
You gained 40lbs in 7 months and you are complaining about lack of progress? Are you shitting me? There's no way you need to be on anything at this point. Your friend would have done well without, too. You can gain that extra 20 in 5 months, but you are going to have to eat. That's the only way you gain weight.
 
beerdrinker said:
You gained 40lbs in 7 months and you are complaining about lack of progress? Are you shitting me? There's no way you need to be on anything at this point. Your friend would have done well without, too. You can gain that extra 20 in 5 months, but you are going to have to eat. That's the only way you gain weight.
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i gained 40lbs but i dont look half as big as he is. hes ripped, shredded and looks like a beast. i look soft with minimal definition.
 
You can get plenty big without juice.

IMO: If you haven't been acccused of juicing from training naturally, you have no right to be juicing.

I think you're going about it the right way.

He'll progress faster, but unless he's knowledgeable he'll probably crash when he comes off and loose weight if he doesn't have his diet in check.

Learn how to eat here, and train right... you'll be back on track to putting on muscle in no time.
 
This doesn't make sense. The dude spent $$$ on the stuff, may not keep everything, outside chance is playing with his health, and only gained 10 pounds more than you, and you're complaining?

AND you actually gained 40 pounds in barely half a year and you're complaining?

And your thread is a question called impossible to get big without steroids? How can you ask that when you've already proven to yourself that the answer is a resounding yes?

Screw your head on tight, wake up, stop comparing yourself to others and start comparing yourself to the you of seven months ago and the you that you want to be seven months from now.
 
Kabeetz said:
This doesn't make sense. The dude spent $$$ on the stuff, may not keep everything, outside chance is playing with his health, and only gained 10 pounds more than you, and you're complaining?

AND you actually gained 40 pounds in barely half a year and you're complaining?

And your thread is a question called impossible to get big without steroids? How can you ask that when you've already proven to yourself that the answer is a resounding yes?

Screw your head on tight, wake up, stop comparing yourself to others and start comparing yourself to the you of seven months ago and the you that you want to be seven months from now.
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very well written :)
 
Stillskinny said:
well to be honest i've been working out for 7 months now and i have seen gains, but they arent that significant. ive gone from 120lbs to a decent 160lbs now but i still look tiny compared to my buddy who juices. He went from 130lbs to a big 180lbs now and hes huge, his gains went through the roof. the lack of gains or rather slow progress ive been seeing in myself have put me down mentally. my weight gains are slowing down but im still dedicated. my goal is to reach 180lbs by 5 months but i dont think thats possible at the rate im going now.
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I must be a genetic freak then because I got to 185lbs without juicing.

Dude you've gained 40lbs in less than a year vs. your friend who only gained 10lbs more than you did while juicing. You've made great progress. Your friend screwed up IMO. I'd MUCH rather be in your shoes with great gains and tons of natural genetic potential left. Get as big as you can naturally and then juice if that isn't big enough.

Your failure to grow faster is more a lack of food than a lack of steroids.




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Xlajbf's Intermediate 5x5 Training Journal
 
I never took one drop (or pill or whatever) of anabolic steroids, yet I always get ppl who know nothing about training telling me I did...
Thus, I back sargeant slaughter up: you can get an amazing physique without steroids.

Those who do know abot steroids however, see it str8 away that I am clean.
 
HumanTarget said:
and lol @ 180 being huge. must still be in school.
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lol, i was thinking the same thing... i'd be embarassed to say i was 180 and juicing on EF with all the anonymity, let alone face to face. 40lbs natty in 7 mths is great... i'm not kidding but if you use your brains, one day you will more than likely be bigger and stronger than your friend and natty too... and then you will be pure awesomeness when you do decide to hit the sauce :)

have a look at MM107 (his posts should be on the first page of this forum)... i think he could be the poster boy of EF. (he's natty)
 
silver_shadow said:
have a look at MM107 (his posts should be on the first page of this forum)... i think he could be the poster boy of EF. (he's natty)
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Was. But before heading over to the dark side, he got the best deadlift in his class at his first comp and won his second, so the point stands.
 
Train right for 2 years and you should be able to gain 70ish lbs.
 
Bro I think your natural progression is awesome. I would kill for 40 lbs in 7 months. Keep it natural as long as you can bro. I understand the desire to juice, but serious you sound young and it is not a good idea at all. And I am sorry but 180lbs is not huge. Bro, you have a long way to go. Check out the diet and the training forums. Keep it up bro, you are doing fine.
 
thanks for the compliments guys i really needed it. i thought it through and decide that if i stick to it ill turn out big in a few years. i just need to have some patience. i didnt notice i was alot bigger than before because i didnt realise how skinny i was before. im always comparing myself to others when i should have been comparing to myself at 120lbs. ive gone from bone skinny to skinny i guess but i did pack on some size which wasnt noticable because i look at myself everyday. Btw yes i am in highschool still lol, and all the girls think 180lbs is huge :)

heres a photo of me at 120lbs and another when i was 145lbs (im now 160).
120lbs:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5304/0707061425rz1.jpg

145lbs:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4605/0410061809tr6.jpg
 
Honestly, there is absolutely no reason for you to be thinking about juicing at this point. Aside from obvious reasons, if you can't get to around 200 naturally, you won't be able to keep any gains from juicing right now anyway.

I didn't see how tall you are, but you should be able to gain weight at 160lbs fairly easily. It all comes down to how much food you're taking in. I went from 185 to 225 in the last 5 months, gaining very minimal fat, just by eating a TON of GOOD food coupled with increasing weights each and every workout. If you happen to be shorter, my workout partner is 5'5 or 5'6 and is up to 183lbs at that height, food and progression being the keys also. We are both 100% natural.

Keep your head up, be proud of your progress thus far. Realize also, that it is going to be a struggle, don't feel like it should just be handed to you... you must work for it, otherwise EVERYONE would be walking around looking like beasts, and there would be nothing special about obtaining it.

I don't think anyone has asked yet, but post up your current diet, and we can help tweak it to keep you gaining. GL.
 
k fixed.

120lbs:

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0707061425op0.jpg

145lbs:
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0410061809rc8.jpg


ZGzaZ said:
Honestly, there is absolutely no reason for you to be thinking about juicing at this point. Aside from obvious reasons, if you can't get to around 200 naturally, you won't be able to keep any gains from juicing right now anyway.

I didn't see how tall you are, but you should be able to gain weight at 160lbs fairly easily. It all comes down to how much food you're taking in. I went from 185 to 225 in the last 5 months, gaining very minimal fat, just by eating a TON of GOOD food coupled with increasing weights each and every workout. If you happen to be shorter, my workout partner is 5'5 or 5'6 and is up to 183lbs at that height, food and progression being the keys also. We are both 100% natural.

Keep your head up, be proud of your progress thus far. Realize also, that it is going to be a struggle, don't feel like it should just be handed to you... you must work for it, otherwise EVERYONE would be walking around looking like beasts, and there would be nothing special about obtaining it.

I don't think anyone has asked yet, but post up your current diet, and we can help tweak it to keep you gaining. GL.
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thanks man, im about 5'7" and 16 years old and my goals to be around 180lbs ripped. i know its not going to be easy, but i will put alot of work in to reach there.

My diet so far consists of 2500-3000 calories:

Meal1: oatmeal, milk, cereal, PB sandwich
Meal2: any fast food such as KFC, mcdonalds, fried noodles
Meal3: pre workout meal: milk, sandwich with smoked turkey or chicken
Meal4: PWO meal: milk+1 scoop whey, rice, chicken/beef,
Meal5: veggies, fruits, and more rice+chicken
Meal6: PB sandwich with milk.
 
At this point in your lifting, I would say, take in more calories...dont worry about adding some fat, you'll be able to cut it later. It's much easier to cut fat than it is to gain muscle. So increase your cals, gain some quality muscle, and strip the fat off later.

btw...from 120 to 145 you look like a totally different person...
 
Stillskinny said:
i thought it through and decide that if i stick to it ill turn out big in a few years.
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'turn out big'? You need to eat more to get bigger. It isn't something that just happens on its own. If you're 160 now, there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be 170 in 3 month's time, 180 in 6 months and 200 a year from now.
 
HumanTarget said:
and lol @ 180 being huge. must still be in school.
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no shit unless his friend is 5 ft tall, 180 is not huge. not sure it's even average. anyways, 7 months of working out ain't shit. ask us after you've been training for about 5 yrs straight, but by then you'll see for yourself what is possible thru natty training (and it's actually alot)
 
Stillskinny said:
well to be honest i've been working out for 7 months now and i have seen gains, but they arent that significant. ive gone from 120lbs to a decent 160lbs now but i still look tiny compared to my buddy who juices. He went from 130lbs to a big 180lbs now and hes huge, his gains went through the roof. the lack of gains or rather slow progress ive been seeing in myself have put me down mentally. my weight gains are slowing down but im still dedicated. my goal is to reach 180lbs by 5 months but i dont think thats possible at the rate im going now.
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No offense but:

180 and jacked?
40 pounds in 7 months and you are complaining of slow progress?
You went 40 in 7 but you think 20 in 5 is impossible?

Read up...This site isn't designed to hold your hand. Most don't take easy to questions asked that you could have figured out with 5 minutes of reading.
 
Don't give any more thought to going on the sauce. For starters, it's a really bad idea at your age. You're still growing and steroids will put a stop to that.

Secondly, as Dev mentions, no offence but you're a complete newbie to lifting. 7 months is very little time and it'll be a another couple of years before everything really clicks.

Thirdly, this is an ideal time to learn to grow naturally. As someone in mid-teens, you have a massive amount of testosterone and growth hormone being produced by your body. In a few years time, assuming you still lift by then, you'll know how to gain or lose weight with or without drugs.

Just keep lifting, eating and getting enough sleep. Try to drink a quart of milk with every meal. You're just scratching the surface at the moment.
 
Stillskinny said:
k fixed.

120lbs:

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0707061425op0.jpg

145lbs:
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0410061809rc8.jpg



thanks man, im about 5'7" and 16 years old and my goals to be around 180lbs ripped. i know its not going to be easy, but i will put alot of work in to reach there.

My diet so far consists of 2500-3000 calories:

Meal1: oatmeal, milk, cereal, PB sandwich
Meal2: any fast food such as KFC, mcdonalds, fried noodles
Meal3: pre workout meal: milk, sandwich with smoked turkey or chicken
Meal4: PWO meal: milk+1 scoop whey, rice, chicken/beef,
Meal5: veggies, fruits, and more rice+chicken
Meal6: PB sandwich with milk.
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jesus...yhour 16, and your friends are juicing? go stomp him in his nuts for being such a moron.
 
SublimeZM said:
jesus...yhour 16, and your friends are juicing? go stomp him in his nuts for being such a moron.
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lol, if he continues, there won't be no nuts to stomp...

still skinny, 16 is NO age to be juicing
 
yeah i agree, my friends stupid for juicing because i dont think he knows anything about it at all, except that his 19y/o brother does it so it must work ;)
btw can someone guide me to a good workout routine for begginners like me? ive been on rippetoes for along time now and i think i plateaued. thanks
 
Cynical Simian said:
Was. But before heading over to the dark side, he got the best deadlift in his class at his first comp and won his second, so the point stands.
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I don't see the comparison.... first comp you always geek out and second comp you have so much more knowledge from everything to training, diet and the pure intimidation factor... add some beefwater... ah who cares...

Anyways, get what you can get, odds are dude will stop training as soon as he's off and you'll leave him in the dust...

Congrats on your gains and revel in the fact you got them naturally... there are no excuses this way, you got what you got cuz you earned it...
 
Stillskinny said:
yeah i agree, my friends stupid for juicing because i dont think he knows anything about it at all, except that his 19y/o brother does it so it must work ;)
btw can someone guide me to a good workout routine for begginners like me? ive been on rippetoes for along time now and i think i plateaued. thanks
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his 19 year old brother is a jackass too.

im not trying to be a dick but just tryign to make sure you understand what everyone is saying about the no juice
 
Stillskinny said:
thanks ive read about the 5x5 ill try that one. i have another question, i started the WSSB program by defranco last week, is that a solid program, or should i switch over to 5x5?
http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm
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Dude it looks pretty cool... not to far from Westside really and incorporates RM (repition method) which is what me and my guys have been adding...

Maybe I read this sub-consciously and zapped it to the young guy in our group that's trying to kill my old ass.... lol
 
Chambewy20 said:
I don't see the comparison.... first comp you always geek out and second comp you have so much more knowledge from everything to training, diet and the pure intimidation factor... add some beefwater... ah who cares...
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I'm glad you don't see the comparison, since I didn't think I was making one. ;) I was trying to prevent confusion about mm107's natty status while pointing out that SS's point about his incredible progress from good training and diet alone was still valid (the second comp was still before he began his cycle).
 
Cynical Simian said:
I'm glad you don't see the comparison, since I didn't think I was making one. ;) I was trying to prevent confusion about mm107's natty status while pointing out that SS's point about his incredible progress from good training and diet alone was still valid (the second comp was still before he began his cycle).
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Your post didn't really make sense but assumed you were comparing... needed more info and now I got it.... It began about darkside then had something about two competitions which I assumed was pre and post beefwater
 
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Stillskinny said:
well to be honest i've been working out for 7 months now and i have seen gains, but they arent that significant. ive gone from 120lbs to a decent 160lbs now but i still look tiny compared to my buddy who juices. He went from 130lbs to a big 180lbs now and hes huge, his gains went through the roof. the lack of gains or rather slow progress ive been seeing in myself have put me down mentally. my weight gains are slowing down but im still dedicated. my goal is to reach 180lbs by 5 months but i dont think thats possible at the rate im going now.
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I'm going to make a general comment.

Of course the poster made great gains. But like all of us, he'll reach a point where he'll stagnate at a certain body weight and strength.

Then he must add aas to grow and get the body builder look. It took me 40 years to simply admit that aas makes all the difference. Be it 100 mgs a week or 750 in a cycle, you must take something to make that big jump.

Just be certain you have gotten all you can out of dieting, natural body building routines and recovery. Then stick that needle in your butt and get big.
 
the chances are that whe n u reach the point of no more natty growth, you will most likely be pretty happy with the way you look. Unless ofcourse you are still a twig. You wont really know till ur early 20's. Ive been lifting for years so using me is a bad example but i have watched my friends who done train at all. Were all around 24 and those guys that had that twig look have thickened. Im not talking getting fat either. You just get a more manly structure about you naturally.
 
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