I agree. I have had very good results with the pinkies with the dragon imprint, and without the dragon, I forget the different brand names right now, but you guys know what I mean. The new naps that recently came out that I jsut used were absolutely incredible though, I mean it could have had a lot to do with my bulking diet being a lot more on point then in the past, but my strength gains and weight gain was the best to date.