I'm Really Conflicted Here (Probably Offensive Thread ...)

[musclemom]

Well, Satan doesn't want what is best for the world. Satan likes evil and sin. Makes sense why a Wiccan would be ok with baby killing

I do believe that life is the mother's prerogative. I've never heard our planet referred to by anyone, not even the most hardboiled Christian, as anything other than MOTHER Earth, Earthrider. The planet provides for ALL of your needs, your food, air, water and it's up to Gaia whether you live or die.

If there's an earthquake or tornado tomorrow, and you die in it, She decided you no longer needed to be alive.

Satan doesn't factor into my spiritual beliefs.

I'm currently having a hard time deciding why killing a human baby is any worse than killing a cow baby, or a dog baby or a chimp baby or a whale baby ...

See, what I'm hearing from people in this thread is that they don't about care the circumstances of the children's conception, the social, economic or intellectual status of the mother, all they care is that it's LIFE! A precious human LIFE. Fine. If life is so precious than why eat meat (that was a life, dammit!), how can you ignore the homeless (that's a life, an adult life, you don't know how they ended up there, they might have a mental illness and be off their meds) and don't give a fugg that there are children, thinking, breathing children, dying by the minute in countries like Africa (where 50% of all children born alive end up dead before age 5).

What I'm hearing is some humans more valuable than others. Giving a shit about a life is all about the situation. If a baby is born to a starving mother in Africa and she smothers it immediately to save it from starving slowly to death or dying of dysentery, would you still think hang her or she did it a favor?

You don't mind a piglet being slaughtered to feed your belly, a dolphin being murdered so it's calf can put a show on for you in Sea World, a chimp being murdered so her baby can end up in the zoo, all that's okay. But a pair of white twins, that shit's a precious commodity.

We got nearly 7 billion of those precious commodities devouring resources and pissing and shitting up the planet and more being born every day. Blue whales, clouded leopards and mountain gorillas, those are precious commodities, there's less of them every year and someday there won't be any at all.

So life is precious, if it's certain types of lives.

 

[EarthRider]

lol

how do we go from a mom who kills her baby, to I don't care about kids in Africa or dolphins

lmao, this is hilarious really

I am also not ok with people killing puppies, calves, or anything. I think all life is precious. We do care about he poor, and the hungry in Africa. My wife and i give money to help build wells in africa. And we give food to the poor. So thanks for making many assumptions about me, I appreciate it when people do that.

there are many sad things that do happen in America and the world that I can't do anything about. Doesn't mean that I don't care.

I do believe that life is the mother's prerogative. I've never heard our planet referred to by anyone, not even the most hardboiled Christian, as anything other than MOTHER Earth, Earthrider. The planet provides for ALL of your needs, your food, air, water and it's up to Gaia whether you live or die.

If there's an earthquake or tornado tomorrow, and you die in it, She decided you no longer needed to be alive.

Satan doesn't factor into my spiritual beliefs.

I'm currently having a hard time deciding why killing a human baby is any worse than killing a cow baby, or a dog baby or a chimp baby or a whale baby ...

See, what I'm hearing from people in this thread is that they don't about care the circumstances of the children's conception, the social, economic or intellectual status of the mother, all they care is that it's LIFE! A precious human LIFE. Fine. If life is so precious than why eat meat (that was a life, dammit!), how can you ignore the homeless (that's a life, an adult life, you don't know how they ended up there, they might have a mental illness and be off their meds) and don't give a fugg that there are children, thinking, breathing children, dying by the minute in countries like Africa (where 50% of all children born alive end up dead before age 5).

What I'm hearing is some humans more valuable than others. Giving a shit about a life is all about the situation. If a baby is born to a starving mother in Africa and she smothers it immediately to save it from starving slowly to death or dying of dysentery, would you still think hang her or she did it a favor?

You don't mind a piglet being slaughtered to feed your belly, a dolphin being murdered so it's calf can put a show on for you in Sea World, a chimp being murdered so her baby can end up in the zoo, all that's okay. But a pair of white twins, that shit's a precious commodity.

We got nearly 7 billion of those precious commodities devouring resources and pissing and shitting up the planet and more being born every day. Blue whales, clouded leopards and mountain gorillas, those are precious commodities, there's less of them every year and someday there won't be any at all.

So life is precious, if it's certain types of lives.

 

[AFeedz]

So she made assumptions about you? Nothing like you pinned her being Wiccan as her reason for being on the fence about this infanticide by equating Wicca with the devil, who Wiccans neither believe in nor worship, right?

Wicca is not the same thing as Satanism. It doesn't even make sense that a Wiccan would believe in or worship Satan because I they did, they'd have to also acknowledge our God, which they dont.

I totally disagree with MM in this thread, but the ignorance in your exchange is running both ways. Just sayin.

lol

how do we go from a mom who kills her baby, to I don't care about kids in Africa or dolphins

lmao, this is hilarious really

I am also not ok with people killing puppies, calves, or anything. I think all life is precious. We do care about he poor, and the hungry in Africa. My wife and i give money to help build wells in africa. And we give food to the poor. So thanks for making many assumptions about me, I appreciate it when people do that.

there are many sad things that do happen in America and the world that I can't do anything about. Doesn't mean that I don't care.

 

[TableFun]

But a pair of white twins, that shit's a precious commodity.

Pretty much. It would have been effortless to get them adopted out.

 

[cindylou]

I may disagree with MM, but I'm not going to pretend I don't understand how she got there.

 

[EarthRider]

So she made assumptions about you? Nothing like you pinned her being Wiccan as her reason for being on the fence about this infanticide by equating Wicca with the devil, who Wiccans neither believe in nor worship, right?

Wicca is not the same thing as Satanism. It doesn't even make sense that a Wiccan would believe in or worship Satan because I they did, they'd have to also acknowledge our God, which they dont.

I totally disagree with MM in this thread, but the ignorance in your exchange is running both ways. Just sayin.

word

 

[RottenWillow]

I can't decide if she's a waste of air and space that is doubly damned for murder of two innocents ...

OR ...

If she just committed abortion six months late.

Now hold on with the visceral responses for a minute. These are not cute little plump bundles of love as perfectly photographed by Anne Geddes. These are fresh out of the wrapper human newborns that honestly are one step above any baby bird. Red, squawking, sticky, absolutely helpless to the point of not even being able to find sustenance, not even possessing the instinct to crawl to a tit.

Now be honest here, if you had a choice of being murdered, and could pick ANY time in your life (except the last decade) when would you choose to die? I don't know about the rest of you, but I honestly have no memory of anything before age 2. Is dying before you lived such a horrible proposition (and dying during/at/immediately after birth is pretty much dying before you lived).

Is dying before you lived a dramatically worse proposition than dying after you've lived, and/or living with the knowledge that some day you will die?

On another hand, if you agree with abortion, is murder AT birth, at the hand of your mother, that much more different from abortion? (personally, I believe it is, but not substantially. I've attended a whole lot of births of many species of critters in my time. Dying then is about as easy as it gets).

Didn't say it was a pleasant thread. At least give me credit for truth in advertising.

Oh, and why would I even think of asking such a question? Because matricide at birth was a relatively common practice once upon a time in not so distant (historically speaking) human history and would not have been an act looked upon scornfully.

history and custom doesn't grandfather in murder, MM.

No educated, reasonable person would argue that murder at birth by either active or passive means isn't as old a practice as humankind itself. However, even if one did accept the argument that because this is an ancient practice it should be sanctioned, it doesn't change the fact that this incident isn't comparable to the systemic practices to which I think you allude. These murders weren't committed to spare resources or to preserve perceived tribal biological integrity.

 

[musclemom]

history and custom doesn't grandfather in murder, MM.

No educated, reasonable person would argue that murder at birth by either active or passive means isn't as old a practice as humankind itself. However, even if one did accept the argument that because this is an ancient practice it should be sanctioned, it doesn't change the fact that this incident isn't comparable to the systemic practices to which I think you allude. These murders weren't committed to spare resources or to preserve perceived tribal biological integrity.

Got at least a couple people thinking, though, didn't I?

Okay, in all honesty, I've already alluded to my opinion. I think this is sad, but not for the superficial reasons. That this woman's home life is such that she couldn't confide in her own parents, that murder seemed the only viable solution? There's the sadness. That some rich couple has been deprived of it's matched set of white infants? Not really.

On that thought, I'd really like to talk to people who were adopted. A specific subset of adoptees, in fact. The subset that had no contact with their biological parent(s) and hitting their late teens set out to find them, and upon finally finding them, ask the question "Why did you give me up?" and receive not the thoughtful and altruistic answers of "I couldn't afford you" or "I wanted you to have a better life than I could hope provide at that point" but simply "I don't believe in abortion but I didn't want you. You were a drunken accident, sorry." *shrug*

I just wonder how they feel. How does their biological parent's disinterest factor against their adopted parents love for them?

 

[miplank]

So she made assumptions about you? Nothing like you pinned her being Wiccan as her reason for being on the fence about this infanticide by equating Wicca with the devil, who Wiccans neither believe in nor worship, right?

Wicca is not the same thing as Satanism. It doesn't even make sense that a Wiccan would believe in or worship Satan because I they did, they'd have to also acknowledge our God, which they dont.

I totally disagree with MM in this thread, but the ignorance in your exchange is running both ways. Just sayin.

I knew you hated him...

 

[AFeedz]

I knew you hated him...

I don't hate ER at all. But if someone's going to wag their finger at another for making faulty assumptions, after they just did plenty of thing, I'm going to point it out.

Throw stones, glass houses, yadda yadda etc etc.

I like ER just fine.