I'm feeling down right now folks, due to the girl

[healother]

Well folks I think I'm feeling a little better today, which is good. I started messaging a lot more girls online, and hopefully will be able to meet some nice attractive women.

OMG here we go again. SHE'S IN HIGHSCHOOL? She's not 18 DUMBASS! I don't care what the fuck she told you. You're fucking lucky is what you are. Just forget about her and be lucky her pops hasn't got you thrown in jail by now. She sounds dumb enough to get you in trouble if something were to actually happen. Trust me bro, I've been to prison. If you're in there for stat rape, it doesn't matter how cool you were on the outs, you're gonna get tortured every day of your life. I punked a few of those mo's myself. Grow up you dumbass! This is tough love right here.

age of consent in my state is 16 anyway, i know she's a senior, so she couldnt be younger than 16, unless she were at least 2 grades ahead.

Wait, didn't you say you lived with your dad or something? You make plenty enough to be out on your own. Plus you're what 22? 23? Something is starting to seem fishy.

i want to live in a single BR apartment in my city, which costs around $700-800 per month.

I maybe about 17 an hour, but I'm a contractor, meaning i get no benefits, and I have to pay 7.65% extra of my income in taxes because I have to pay for all my FICA.

I dont work all the time, because I'm doing short stints and looking for jobs in between.

I need a serious long term job, that pays decent and has benefits, if i want to move out.

You've not been innocent for a long time. Your dick is involved in a sexual act everytime you go to sleep and dream of banging anything that walks in a skirt.
She's a tease. She doesn't care about you.
MOve on to a girl that will teach you about love, not this crush stuff.

I volunatarily let a woman touch my dick, it feels different

I'm wondering if I would feel better about it if I could at least kiss her once. Or if I could get her naked or go down her pants. Then at least I could have had my way with her too.

But yeah, youre right in that she doesnt care about me, and doesnt want to teach me how to kiss or anything. but i want it so bad from her, lol. she is so hot.

dude, don't tell me i didn't tell you so.

wow... if a chick had done that to me, i wouldn't be sitting around moping about it... i'd move on.

a few years ago, my sis introduced me to this chick... so we went to a nightclub and we were dancing... my sis and her boyfriend, there were a few other couples in our group. the afore mentioned chick and me were the only 2 who were not seeing each other but were paired off nonetheless. then i suggested that we sit down for a few mins and have a drink. and she says she didn't want to... not rudely but just says it... so i got pissed off and said "ok, you wanna dance, then dance alone" and i stormed off leaving her standing alone. now can you imagine what would have happened if your facebook chick had tried her GAMES on me? i'm not saying that you have to be all macho and not have feelings but THIS girl is not worth crying over... she's playing games with you and your feelings and then she insults your manhood to rub salt into your wounds.

PS: i know i was being an asshole with my sis' friend....

Yeah, I wish I had just been assertive and not let her do anyting to me, I should have been like "there is no way you are touching my dick unless you kiss me first". But i didnt So I'm just trying to figure out how to rememdy this now. Either get what I want from her (kisses, nudity, going down her pants, etc) or just forget it about and leave.

Cut your ties and be done. She isn't girl for you. There is another out there bor.

agreed, I thought now would be a good time to get some physical experience with women though. I mean i know she isnt relationship material. Its a tough call.

heal, every tuff guy-juicer-meathead in this thread knows the pain you are going thru.
they will front, and tell tales of how many girls they fucked over etc, but deep down we all know that pain...the difference between you and us is that we experienced this at a much younger age and have grown accustomed to it.
i used to sweat girls big time, i'd let small things fuck with me.
then, after getting fucked over a few times, i learned quick how to play the game and protect myself from dumbass hooors. for instance, this gal is bitching at you for going limp? bro, it's her duty to make your lil' guy stiff...if he is soft, maing that's her fault.
i don't see how she can throw that on you.
what i don't want to see here is you using this dismal (though a great learning op) as an excuse to embrace more of your ideological christianity. wimmien are not evil, touching a females body is not a sin, that guilt you feel is not guilt about not living a godly existence, it's not even guilt at all.
it's called emotions.
don't confuse the two

yeah, i figured most men have a hard shell that has been built up over time. I'm wondering though if its still worth building up that thick skin just to fuck some more random girls though. Never should a man stop giving up on relationships with women, but wanting a relationship and just wanting someone to fuck, are 2 different things.

This chick was giving me a lousy handjob, squeezing way too hard, etc. So of course its not my fault. (although I probably shoulda done this stuff with her sooner, because after being hard for 3 hours its not the same as being hard when you first lay next to her) But anyways, had she known what she was doing she could have still gotten me off, I hadnt jerked it in 2 days, so I should have been able to bust that all over her if she had some skill.

I dont think what I experienced is going to have any effect on my belief system. Sex is something that is fun and there are natural consequences (some negative) that effect everyone, Christians and non-Christians, and I'll learn those as I go along. Sex is overall a good thing and should be enjoyed, with a few precautions put into place.

The guilt I feel isnt so much about religion but rather that I just that I should have been smarter and remained in better control of the situation, that way my first time would have been better. But its too late for that now, so I'm just going to focus on the future. And of course emotions play a role as well, cuz its easy to be hard on yourself sometimes, when you're feeling down.

the pain, depression, confusion, and regret you are feeling are not only perfectly normal, but good. i want you to feel them. especially regret.

these notions of innocence and purity, and of being special because you're desperately trying to hold onto them...are illusory. we are all under the sway of illusions, even if we recognize them as such. that would be fine, if not for the nature of illusions -- they tend to shatter.

i'm not saying that physical intimacy shouldn't be regarded as special or sacred, or that it shouldn't be saved for someone that you care about. but if you've lost your virginity, you haven't really lost anything of import. this is flawed thinking. after having done something you regret, you are capable of reflecting and changing your behaviour in the future. you can still be true to yourself, if you know yourself. if you don't, you can venture forth with your present balance of understanding and desire and do the best you can. you can make mistakes.

you haven't lost perfection or fallen from grace. you haven't lost a source of strength. rather, you have gained in strength because you have (hopefully) learned more about yourself and burned away a small fragment of falsehood or untruth.

even if you don't recognize it now, and run in circles of fruitless mentation, you will see more of it in time...as you do more. the key is to keep doing.

i'd like for you to rent a movie called The Big Kahuna, and pay close attention to it. once you have, i'd also like to know what you think of it.

I think Christianity does place a lot of unfair pressure on virginity, which isnt cool because when people in the church have premarital sex then they might feel bad later. It can't be as big of a deal as some make it out to be, because even people who lose it and are Christian still manage to do just fine with life, and some are even happy they lost it.

Experiences are pretty darn important for learning, and sometimes its the only way I learn.

I will consider renting that move this weekend maybe, im just pretty busy this week with work and all.

SO basically, whateveryone told you would happen actually did happen? ..and the reason...because you acted like you did. If you don't want to feel like this anymore then have the balls to change. Some other guy will soon be doing the stuff with her that you want to be doing and you could've stopped that. You will learn but you've got to push yourself.

I dont know if I could have stopped any desire from her to bang some highschool guy. She said before she didnt want a relationship with me, and I think thats what she thought from the start, so she was free to do what she wanted. Either that or maybe she did want more but i blew it, but in other case, like others are saying, she isnt the best girl to have a relationship with. its not a big loss.

i think you are right. You have to be 16 to legally have sex in some places, but they are protected from peeps over 18 or 21 years of age. They can have sex with anyone between 16-18 legally and with their own consent.

thats how i understand it.

Ive read over the statuatory rape laws for MN and I'm pretty sure that 16 is the cut off.
I guess the only way to completely verify would be to talk with a lawyer. Maybe I could speak with a free one sometime, if I get a chance to get in for an appointment.

Heal, take it as I'm saying it:

Either be a virgin, take it seriously, keep your hands out of ANY girls pants and wait until you get married to have virgin sex. When you date girls you let them know up front you've chosen chastity.

OR

Get thee laid and stop stressing over it (you'll certainly be much happier).

I assure you, the creator of the universe is not hung up on where you stick your penis.

You claim you want to be chaste, but chastity encompasses more than just physical actions. What you're being now is unhappy, confused and even a little hypocritical.


Oh, some girl touching your pee-pee in a makeout session doesn't qualify as losing your virginity so let that one go, okay?

true, chastity is more than physical actions. i think because the church puts so much emphasis on the actions though, it warps the brains of some christians.

I think I'll be happier if I do some sexual stuff before marriage, I just have to be careful about how that happens and how it all goes down. Or maybe I just need to do it a lot so that I can get used to it and cant be hurt by it, lol.

Even worse than having your first experience with a sex worker, at least a hooker would have got you off and been honest about the whole thing.

after she lets lil Johnny weasle-dick do whatever he wants to her this weekend (and he'll be having a fine old time getting all those goodies she wouldn't give up to you) she'll be feeling a little degraded and need to take it out on someone lower down the food chain than her... she'll need someone to treat like shit to boost her fucked up self esteem.

Don't be that guy. I'd say you're worth more than that but that wouldn't really be true right now, but if you ignore her then you'll be making the first step in the right direction

I'm very glad that i did this with this girl instead of a hooker. a hooker would have made me feel much worse, lol. how pathetic is that, hahaha. at least this girl wanted to do things with me and wasnt just doing it for money.

if she wants to treat me like shit i wont allow it. honestly i just want to make out with her a few times, fool around more with her, do it my way, and then not see her again cuz I'm sure I could find a better girl to spend my time around.

don't worry, he'll read it. he'll respond. he'll appreciate it. he'll seem to understand and take it to heart. and then he'll continue the cycle.

btw, the term padawan implies that he's training to become a jedi, right? might want to reconsider that label.

yep, i did read it and im going to respond, just havent had time to yet. but thats going to be my next large post.

 

[Lestat]

fuck man, I had to come out of retirement to help a good bro in need.

This is a big problem with staying so inexperienced about women, sex, love, relationships, feelings, etc. for so damn long.

You should be STOKED at what happened! A hottie 18 year old played with your cock! That was it man. Maybe you'd get to do more, but maybe not, but you went to have some fun and you had some fun. Why feel so down?

You are going to (hopefully) meet many women you are attracted to. Very few of these women will ever show interest in you, and even few than that will you date. Hopefully one day you will end up marrying one of them.

There is nothing wrong with going out and exploring now. Experience life, soak it all up, take this time and LEARN from it! Learn about yourself, about others, about relationships. This will only help you down the road when you find yourself in a serious relationship with a lot more at stake than your feelings and fragile ego.

Some people get through all this really early, in their teens, and are ready for real relationships in their 20s. But there are many people, myself included, that don't really start experiencing this until college or later and aren't really ready for anything too serious until their mid to late twenties, some guys its even longer.

You have testosterone in your body, you are designed to find women attractive. They are designed to get you all flustered over them. You will want to do all kinds of things with them. Whether or not you do is your call, but keep in mind this is all normal and natural behavior that needs to be expressed in some way. Your body is producing fluids that will affect your behavior, and even more fluids that my physically be released from your body periodically no if ands or buts.

Take this experience and learn from it. She's 18 bro, she doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants to experiment, find a guy that makes her feel different than others, and she'll break his heart or he'll break hers, its inevitable. You had the right idea heading into this, when you almost met her at 4am one morning. Just go, have fun, if its not fun, leave and don't do it again. But do me a favor and try to have fun bro. This your life you are living here.

 

[healother]

Ive forgotten more devout Christians whove had premarital sex than youve ever known. Its not even part of the criteria for Christians anymore. My parents are the most devout Catholics I know (my mom just went to a prolife march at the state capitol for Christ sake) and she makes light of my sexual activity, has all my adult life. Just the other day she asked me what I did and I told her I helped my girlfriend get a new bed since shes been sleeping on the futon all this time and my own devout Catholic mother said "I guess I know what you will be doing tonight then!". The irony is SHE caught ME by surprise by that joke.

Yeah I know lots of Christians have sex freely. But think about the ones who've had those negative thoughts about premarital sex ingrained into their heads since they were young, by their elders. Many of them have probably thought in a strict way about sex before, and thats a tough thing to change. It will be harder for some people to reprogram their brains and morals about sex than others.

You arent a damn woman, so stop thinking like one. If you read my post you will see that I said you would feel emptiness and such, but that is temporary and the benefits gained far outweigh that. Just like gambino said, all of us tough guys felt like that at one point in time. But I can tell you this, if I was starting from zero experience with women again at my age (32) or even your age, it makes life much more difficult with the opposite sex. NO man has EVER regretted losing his virginity, that I can promise you. Remember the 3rd Indiana Jones movie where he is faced with that large dropoff and he cant get across, but he remembers he has to take the "leap of faith" and he steps out and magically lands on the invisible bridge he couldnt see from his perspective, until the camera moved down and you could make out the camoflauged bridge? You know the rest.

so are you saying that the emptiness feeling will completely disappear at one point and I'd be able to have sex freely and not be attached to someone afterwards? That would be nice I think. As long as sex was still special with a woman you love too.

I know a couple men that regret losing their virginity actually. But they are both Christians (surprise), and I'm not sure if they have had much sex since losing their virginity.

You wont be a hypocrite because you will learn that God is ok with people having sex. What will make you a hypocrite is if you keep preaching about how sex is wrong. Here on earth we are allowed to change our minds about things, you know.

yeah, i guess i cant had what i believe, and if my mind changes, other people will see that, and just cuz they see it, it doesnt make me a hypocrite.

Women view innocent as unmanly and the ultimate strike against a guy, in a womans eye, is appearing unmanly. Once again dont listen to the words coming out of womens mouths, look at their actions and I will guarantee you wont see attractive women getting going out with sweet innocent guys who are saving themselves for the wedding night.

hmm, what about the women who are virgins too, and by choice?

If a man gets his fair share of ass while he is young and single and free, and this happens a sufficient amount of times throughout adulthood, then he starts to realize that no matter how many different women he has sex with, theres only so much a woman can offer in bed, or that the sex can only get so good with any given woman. Some women are better than others but you realize that there is much more to a relationship than simply awesome sex. Sex still remains important but it is not the be-all end-all of what a man views as important in a relationship anymore. It is at this point that the man realizes that some women, while awesome in bed, are psychos, or stupid, or have bad lifestyles that wont work. If this situation occurs, the experienced man will leave the woman in spite of her being awesome in bed. Now, this isnt easy to do for any man, much less a man whose had sex with every kind of woman. For someone like you, once you get a taste of awesome sex, you wont be able to see any of her faults, even if everyone around you is telling you to leave her, simply because you are inexperienced in sex and youve never had it so good and dont know when it will happen again, so you hang on to the bitter end.
Meanwhile, an experienced man will know that sure, the sex is awesome, but hes had it before plenty and he will have it again in the future. So the focus starts to swing to different aspects of relationships like compatibility, long term goals, similar lifestyles, and yes, even love. You are able to make more rational, reasonable decisions concerning women when you are experienced with them and accustomed to their ways, both sexually and emotionally.

You cant see how this all comes around full circle yet but you will. Just remember that a man whose had his share of ass and relationships will appreciate the really good women that he encounters in life, because with all the awesome sex and sweet women hes had he also has endured psychos, idiots, sluts, that have caused much heartache. You will experience all of this to some degree at some point, but you must experience in order to learn more about life and learn more about yourself. And thats why you wont stray and constantly want more "action" outside of your marriage. Just wait till 30 to get married that should cover it.

interesting, i hadnt thought about it from that angle before. have sex so much that you realize sex isnt everything

alright, i have to go to bed otherwise I would type more, but thanks for your post.

 

[Lestat]

I agree with superdave 100%, he's dead on here foxygel.

 

[silver_shadow]

Yeah, I wish I had just been assertive and not let her do anyting to me, I should have been like "there is no way you are touching my dick unless you kiss me first". But i didnt So I'm just trying to figure out how to rememdy this now. Either get what I want from her (kisses, nudity, going down her pants, etc) or just forget it about and leave.

so you let her do stuff to you... it's not the end of the world. just go back to page 5 (i think?) and read what tweakle posted. that is how you will have to retrieve the situation. both for the sake of your own self respect and also so you let her know that you aren't going to take shit in future... if that means telling her to fuck off, then so be it. this girl has done nothing but willingly and shamelessly taken advantage of what she calls your "innocence" and deserves to be banged by skinny fat highschool kids.

you have 2 choices really (unless you want her to mess around with you some more):
1) either you be assertive and bang the shit out of her.
OR
2) tell her to get lost. i can understand that being 22 and not having had a relationship before causes you to see things differently, but be careful, it is your christian upbringing which makes you vulnerable to such bitches.



PS: heavy duty - that chick in your avi is HAWT.

 

[Tweakle]

nice, you want to be kissed by a mouth that had someone else's cock in it the night before?

you're like the little puppy she has over to play with when she can't get what she wants, and ends up neglecting and abusing when she feels down on herself for having no self esteem. But I think you know that already.

On the plus side, plenty of girls are like that to varying degrees so at least you learned something about feeding off the bottom. Don't become the guy who goes after damaged girls in the hope of getting laid, or you'll be hanging out at homeless shelters before you know it or end up having a single mom suck you dry while she fucks her ex on the side.

No more posts about facebook ho-ing please.. cant you hook up with an FDS fresh little virgin type at your parents church?

 

[silver_shadow]

I'm very glad that i did this with this girl instead of a hooker. a hooker would have made me feel much worse, lol. how pathetic is that, hahaha. at least this girl wanted to do things with me and wasnt just doing it for money.

sorry but this made me laugh... there are hookers who would have given you more love than this kid did. and many are more upfront about the reasons why they do it - sometimes it isn't about being immoral... there are girls who do what this chick is doing to you and worse (she may still do it if given a chance) but no they never sell their bodies. big deal, they are still worse than single mother hookers who need to put their children through school.

 

[samoth]

I'm very glad that i did this with this girl instead of a hooker. a hooker would have made me feel much worse, lol. how pathetic is that, hahaha. at least this girl wanted to do things with me and wasnt just doing it for money.

What the

Dude, what's wrong with you?

There's nothing wrong with being a virgin... there is something wrong with paying a hooker for sex (well, in my opinion, anyway).

 

[jackangel]

again, everyone, stop putting the words 'hot' or 'hottie' anywhere near a reference to this girl. she's fucking blech. please start seeing her as unattractive, healother. do it. do it.

 

[jd_uk]

I dont know if I could have stopped any desire from her to bang some highschool guy. She said before she didnt want a relationship with me, and I think thats what she thought from the start, so she was free to do what she wanted. Either that or maybe she did want more but i blew it, but in other case, like others are saying, she isnt the best girl to have a relationship with. its not a big loss.

Honestly i've never been so frustrated by anyone's posts. Buddy, stop being such a bloody wimp. I know what i and everyone else says sounds harsh but you've got to change. You're not happy now and you'll get walked all over if you carry this on. Seriously if i knew you well enough i'd punch you for your own good just to see if there is ANY aggression or confidence inside of you.

Re the high school guy, if you had fucked her well enough then i'm samn sure she wouldn't be thinking about him.

...and please go and slap yourself for making such a long and pathetic post.

This has been going on for too long now.

 

[musclemom]

Healother, honey, I'm gonna tell you a secret:

Being a CHRISTIAN hasn't got SHIT to do with sexual behavior. The laws and restrictions against sexual behavior come from ancient Hebraic law, and those grew out of the Jewish effort to place their culture in absolute opposition to goddess worship/paganism.

I'll never understand why Christians insist on even going anywhere near the Old Testament, those are Hebrew laws. Read the New Testament and you tell me what the Christ (not his disciples) said about sex and personal behavior. Nada. I think he said more about keeping kosher or not than he did about rubbing our naughty bits together.

Being a Christian means you follow the teachings of Christ, and Christ came to tell the Jews that the crap they were believing/following needed an upgrade. So be a Christian and stop worrying about Old Testament law.

 

[the_clockwork]

Is this healother a real guy?? I remember evansteve but are these fictional characters created by a bored ex or current member?? Can someone really be this desperate?

My advice: Be yourself and just go talk to a girl you find attractive, don't be a creepy online stalker-dater unless you are using a dating site!! facebook and myspace are known stalker sites and you only make yourself look like a stalker by asking girls out you've never met on them.

P.S. -- She's 18 in high school?? She's fucking insane, gauranteed!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Is this healother a real guy?? I remember evansteve but are these fictional characters created by a bored ex or current member?? Can someone really be this desperate?

My advice: Be yourself and just go talk to a girl you find attractive, don't be a creepy online stalker-dater unless you are using a dating site!! facebook and myspace are known stalker sites and you only make yourself look like a stalker by asking girls out you've never met on them.

P.S. -- She's 18 in high school?? She's fucking insane, gauranteed!

Just ignore his threads and he will go away eventually. Fucking every one of his despirate threads suck us in, and they get to over 10 pages... so who is more of a loser...him for posting this, or those of us who month after month, year after year post on his threads giving him the same advice over and over and over...

 

[theoak01]

fuck i cant believe i missed this until now.

this dude is def SWV material

 

[samoth]

Just ignore his threads and he will go away eventually. Fucking every one of his despirate threads suck us in, and they get to over 10 pages... so who is more of a loser...him for posting this, or those of us who month after month, year after year post on his threads giving him the same advice over and over and over...

He's really just an alter trying to win the TOTW contest.

 

[-SD-]

Just ignore his threads and he will go away eventually. Fucking every one of his despirate threads suck us in, and they get to over 10 pages... so who is more of a loser...him for posting this, or those of us who month after month, year after year post on his threads giving him the same advice over and over and over...

But see guys like you and me can keep on posting up in this shit because weve forgotten about more sex than flexygel will ever know. Its a compulsion for a well experienced guy to try to pass on knowledge and wisdom to the young ones. You know we cant help it rob.

 

[Gambino]

Just ignore his threads and he will go away eventually. Fucking every one of his despirate threads suck us in, and they get to over 10 pages... so who is more of a loser...him for posting this, or those of us who month after month, year after year post on his threads giving him the same advice over and over and over...

that's harsh bro
he legitimatley needs our help/suggestions.
though he comes across stubborn and antiquated i fully believe he takes it all in and processes it.
he's not a bad bro, just confused about shit. that's why we offer assistance.

 

[-SD-]

Quit asking questions about everything and just do it. Remember, leap of faith does not ask questions. Do it. Do it.

 

[healother]

fuck man, I had to come out of retirement to help a good bro in need.

This is a big problem with staying so inexperienced about women, sex, love, relationships, feelings, etc. for so damn long.

You should be STOKED at what happened! A hottie 18 year old played with your cock! That was it man. Maybe you'd get to do more, but maybe not, but you went to have some fun and you had some fun. Why feel so down?

You are going to (hopefully) meet many women you are attracted to. Very few of these women will ever show interest in you, and even few than that will you date. Hopefully one day you will end up marrying one of them.

There is nothing wrong with going out and exploring now. Experience life, soak it all up, take this time and LEARN from it! Learn about yourself, about others, about relationships. This will only help you down the road when you find yourself in a serious relationship with a lot more at stake than your feelings and fragile ego.

Some people get through all this really early, in their teens, and are ready for real relationships in their 20s. But there are many people, myself included, that don't really start experiencing this until college or later and aren't really ready for anything too serious until their mid to late twenties, some guys its even longer.

You have testosterone in your body, you are designed to find women attractive. They are designed to get you all flustered over them. You will want to do all kinds of things with them. Whether or not you do is your call, but keep in mind this is all normal and natural behavior that needs to be expressed in some way. Your body is producing fluids that will affect your behavior, and even more fluids that my physically be released from your body periodically no if ands or buts.

Take this experience and learn from it. She's 18 bro, she doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants to experiment, find a guy that makes her feel different than others, and she'll break his heart or he'll break hers, its inevitable. You had the right idea heading into this, when you almost met her at 4am one morning. Just go, have fun, if its not fun, leave and don't do it again. But do me a favor and try to have fun bro. This your life you are living here.

thanks for coming out of retirement to respond, lol.
Yeah, having fun is pretty important. Honestly, I think it would be great if sex could be both really fun and meaningful but not have all those sad feelings tied into. I wonder if that is even possible.

I dont think we will meet again, judging by the fact that she isnt talking to me online much anymore. I told her my parents will be gone for a whole week at the end of feb, and said she could come over if she wanted to and she said "we'll see"

She actually does want a boyfriend, she is really into some guy right now, but she thinks he's afraid to get involved with her because he's shy or something. This girl wants no relationship with me because I'm too old.

I also think its because I displayed signs of sexual immaturity around her (constantly grabbing at her boobs and smiling, while we were cuddling) and also I just act kind of insecure around her (I act insecure by nature, which is something that women are supposed to do, not men, so that is a bad fit for me, and I either have to start acting more manly (stop acting insecure and stop doing other things), or i wont have a shot. Being yourself just doesnt work if 'yourself' isnt 'manly' by woman standards.

i really hope to meet more women again, but the women online on hotornot.com are so stuck up and hardly talk to me, or want to hang out with me, and ive spend days clicking just to get 30 ppl on my match list.

its looking pretty bleak. i'd go out and try to approach women in the real world but i have no idea how to do it in person, and id probably look desperate and like a fool. i hate having to hide my desire for a woman, so i usually come off way too forward and obvious.

i really hope this girls wasnt my only little oasis in a life of singleness and unhappiness. its weird that i feel like i need a chick to be happy, but its just how i am (after 22 years of singleness), and thats probably considered unmanly as well.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Havent been on EF as much, because the last few days I've been feeling down, because of the girl on facebook that I met in person. As some of you know, she's 18 and in highschool, im 22, and we fooled around, she touched my penis, but wouldnt let me kiss her or go in her pants. At first I was just upset about that part.

But later I started thinking about her more, and realized that I may not get to see her again, as she is thinking about asking this one guy out pretty soon, and I was just a fool around buddy. I know men arent supposed to have emotions or feel down about this stuff, but it happened to me. Seriously, like I cant get her off my mind, and I dont understand why, I think the only reason I'm attracted to her is because she grabbed my dick, we have nothing else in common really.

I dont know if I feel bad that I might not just get to kiss her, or if I feel bad because I like her but wont get to have her.

In either case, I regret what I did the other night, cuz its been on my mind and I've felt depressed about it the last few days. And now I'm no longer innocent or the virgin I used to be. I wasted it away, on a woman I wasnt even in a relationship with. I wonder if maybe sexual acts are special and should be saved for people who care for you, or else you get burned.

This girl doesnt want a relationship with me, and told me i didnt get hard enough the other day when she tried to give me a handjob the other day.
How is that supposed to make a man feel?

Anyways, I still may have a chance to kiss her and do more with her, as she said she'd be up for it when she has time if she doesnt hit it off with the guy at the dance she's going to on friday.

I'm confused. I wonder if I even should see her again, even if given another opportunity. I dont know if it would make me feel better or worse. And I only have limited time as the window of opportunity is closing very fast. I better hope she doesnt hit it off with the guy at the dance this friday, so maybe saturday we can hang out again. And both our parents will be around this weekend so it cant happen at either of our houses for 2 weeks.

bail shes pwning u you fucked up somehow during the sex and turned her off to everything and now shes mindfucking u dont even look at her agian

 

[Sub-Zero]

No, you shouldn't. She isn't being nice to you. She is a jerk and nothing will change that.

Hon, you are still innocent and still a virgin. Be picky on who you want, hon. It will all happen like the blink of an eye one day.

lol this is such fucking bullshit cause we all know if he made one negative comment ud be like "you fucking loser virgin cant get sex if u pay for it" cause girls love to make sex deprivation jokes to guys cause theya re jerks

 

[H_T_]

you should just chop your dick off.

 

[healother]

so you let her do stuff to you... it's not the end of the world. just go back to page 5 (i think?) and read what tweakle posted. that is how you will have to retrieve the situation. both for the sake of your own self respect and also so you let her know that you aren't going to take shit in future... if that means telling her to fuck off, then so be it. this girl has done nothing but willingly and shamelessly taken advantage of what she calls your "innocence" and deserves to be banged by skinny fat highschool kids.

you have 2 choices really (unless you want her to mess around with you some more):
1) either you be assertive and bang the shit out of her.
OR
2) tell her to get lost. i can understand that being 22 and not having had a relationship before causes you to see things differently, but be careful, it is your christian upbringing which makes you vulnerable to such bitches.



PS: heavy duty - that chick in your avi is HAWT.

yeah, she even told me that i'm not assertive enough, or secure enough and that its more attractive if a man is. i have a lot to work on.
the way i see it is that no skinny fat highschool boy deserves a chick this hot though. she's only had sexual relations with 2 men before, and only oral. she's a good find, if it werent for her crappy personality. she dropped me like a bag of sand after i major cuddled with her and let her grab my dick, wtf?

option 1) sounds pretty good right now, i really want to make out with this girl, stick my dick in her mouth, and then start fingering her or licking her pussy. but we'll see if that ever happens.

nice, you want to be kissed by a mouth that had someone else's cock in it the night before?

you're like the little puppy she has over to play with when she can't get what she wants, and ends up neglecting and abusing when she feels down on herself for having no self esteem. But I think you know that already.

On the plus side, plenty of girls are like that to varying degrees so at least you learned something about feeding off the bottom. Don't become the guy who goes after damaged girls in the hope of getting laid, or you'll be hanging out at homeless shelters before you know it or end up having a single mom suck you dry while she fucks her ex on the side.

No more posts about facebook ho-ing please.. cant you hook up with an FDS fresh little virgin type at your parents church?

not the night before, she hasnt had a cock in her mouth in months, the guy she likes is too shy to say he likes her back. you're right i am being the stupid puppy.
yeah, i dont want no girls who act like this. there is no way id consider this type of woman for a relationship.

What is an FDS fresh little virgin? I would not pull that stuff in my parents church that would look bad if word spread around, and I'd disgrace my family, that wouldnt be good. I'd rather go to some other church and try it. But its tough to meet women at churches, very tough! and most of them are strict as fuck about sex. I mean how are they going to stand there and worship and go to loaves and fishes on wednesday nights and then fuck dudes on thursday nights? very few regular church attending women have premarital sex constantly. most of the christian women who are into sucking dick, dont go to church regularly, in my experience.

sorry but this made me laugh... there are hookers who would have given you more love than this kid did. and many are more upfront about the reasons why they do it - sometimes it isn't about being immoral... there are girls who do what this chick is doing to you and worse (she may still do it if given a chance) but no they never sell their bodies. big deal, they are still worse than single mother hookers who need to put their children through school.

For some reason if I have to pay for sex upfront, the whole thing is just a turnoff. Its not my style. I know women hoard sex like a treasure and men have a tough time getting it from them, but seriously, when money is involved it takes all the fun out of it and turns it into a business.

Maybe some hookers do behave better than this woman did, in that they are more honest, but thats not useful to me if she's still a hooker.

What the

Dude, what's wrong with you?

There's nothing wrong with being a virgin... there is something wrong with paying a hooker for sex (well, in my opinion, anyway).

nothing is wrong with me.
Being a virgin isn't fun. I hope to lose my virginity by the time I'm 30. There's nothing morally wrong with being a virgin, but it does suck though if you have to wait too long.

I also think its messed up and wrong to pay a hooker for sex.

again, everyone, stop putting the words 'hot' or 'hottie' anywhere near a reference to this girl. she's fucking blech. please start seeing her as unattractive, healother. do it. do it.

you havent seen her in person, she's got a cute face, petite nice body, and hella nice breasts. And I think she looks cute in that pic too btw, but each opinion to their own i guess.

Healother, honey, I'm gonna tell you a secret:

Being a CHRISTIAN hasn't got SHIT to do with sexual behavior. The laws and restrictions against sexual behavior come from ancient Hebraic law, and those grew out of the Jewish effort to place their culture in absolute opposition to goddess worship/paganism.

I'll never understand why Christians insist on even going anywhere near the Old Testament, those are Hebrew laws. Read the New Testament and you tell me what the Christ (not his disciples) said about sex and personal behavior. Nada. I think he said more about keeping kosher or not than he did about rubbing our naughty bits together.

Being a Christian means you follow the teachings of Christ, and Christ came to tell the Jews that the crap they were believing/following needed an upgrade. So be a Christian and stop worrying about Old Testament law.

Yep, I realize the things you are saying. I thought about this stuff more recently, and this is part of the reason why I have relaxed my opinion on sex and virginity a bit.

But feelings can still get attached to sex in bad ways, if one isnt careful. Thats my bigger concern at the moment. And I dont think what I'm feeling is guilt either.

Is this healother a real guy?? I remember evansteve but are these fictional characters created by a bored ex or current member?? Can someone really be this desperate?

My advice: Be yourself and just go talk to a girl you find attractive, don't be a creepy online stalker-dater unless you are using a dating site!! facebook and myspace are known stalker sites and you only make yourself look like a stalker by asking girls out you've never met on them.

P.S. -- She's 18 in high school?? She's fucking insane, gauranteed!

Yes I am a real guy. evansteve was another name I went by.

I've actually heard of some people having a lot of success with myspace. I would consider trying it but I'm really not into the whole custom designed sites on myspace, its so ugly!
I am using hotornot right now, and paying the monthly fee to talk to other members, but I think I need to try something else, I just hate putting the work into making a profile and corresponding with people and using a new interface, while paying tons of money for it all at once (at least hotornot is cheap)

Yeah, she is 18 and in highschool. I have no idea why she invited me over at 4 in the morning. If I was a little girl alone in the house at night while my dad was out working, I would have never done it. But she was willing, so I did.

that's harsh bro
he legitimatley needs our help/suggestions.
though he comes across stubborn and antiquated i fully believe he takes it all in and processes it.
he's not a bad bro, just confused about shit. that's why we offer assistance.

Thanks man, its good to know that someone on here understands me. I read every post written to me, and I try to respond to all the posts to me that are genuine (not short crappy ones like "get laid you pussy")

Women are a tough thing to figure out. Especially if you are a guy like me, who innately does everything wrong, and has to relearn his entire nature.

 

[healother]

bail shes pwning u you fucked up somehow during the sex and turned her off to everything and now shes mindfucking u dont even look at her agian

i just need to get a hold of her one more time...

lol this is such fucking bullshit cause we all know if he made one negative comment ud be like "you fucking loser virgin cant get sex if u pay for it" cause girls love to make sex deprivation jokes to guys cause theya re jerks

dang, go easy on her man. dont assume so much. not every woman is a bitch, just the ones i try to hook up with

 

[H_T_]

you're in a rut, Stevie. and the only difference between a rut and a grave is depth. you need to make a move. you need a small victory...

 

[healother]

UPDATE:

Still feeling down. Talked to her tonight and it appears she is close to hooking up with someone else. She told me she didnt see me as her type. And she is unsure if she wants to fool around with me again. She likes 2 dudes right now actually, and I guess wont hang out with me again if she ends up hooking up with one of them. And she knows one of them likes her and wants to get in her pants.

Also lots of people saw her boobs at a party and some guy got to lick them.

This seriously sucks, i have no clue why I like this girl or why I'm jealous, but it really just blows. and for those curious, here is another pic of her, and her marvelous boobs:
The ones I wont ever get to touch again:

 

[javaguru]

UPDATE:

Still feeling down. Talked to her tonight and it appears she is close to hooking up with someone else. She told me she didnt see me as her type. And she is unsure if she wants to fool around with me again. She likes 2 dudes right now actually, and I guess wont hang out with me again if she ends up hooking up with one of them. And she knows one of them likes her and wants to get in her pants.

Also lots of people saw her boobs at a party and some guy got to lick them.

This seriously sucks, i have no clue why I like this girl or why I'm jealous, but it really just blows. and for those curious, here is another pic of her, and her marvelous boobs:
The ones I wont ever get to touch again:

Man up! Geeeeez....I don't think you could do more to chase her away. Do you think the guy who licked her tits was exploring his feelings with her or being an alpha male? Just sayin'

 

[healother]

Man up! Geeeeez....I don't think you could do more to chase her away. Do you think the guy who licked her tits was exploring his feelings with her or being an alpha male? Just sayin'

either way i dont stand a chance anymore. she said im not her type.

look at those boobs though, you think 'healother' will ever get a chance to touch a pair as nice as that again?

 

[javaguru]

either way i dont stand a chance anymore. she said im not her type.

look at those boobs though, you think 'healother' will ever get a chance to touch a pair as nice as that again?

If you pretend like you don't care......If you want to play, don't pretend to be what women claim they want, be what they actually go after......

 

[H_T_]

looks don't have to be a part of it. not if you make it that way. Control. take it.

 

[healother]

If you pretend like you don't care......If you want to play, don't pretend to be what women claim they want, be what they actually go after......

hmm, its tough to change who i am just so that women become attracted to me. but women as beautiful as this girl i met have proven to me that it would be worthwhile to do so, as long as im still honest about myself.

I'm willing to step up and try to act like more of a man and less of a pussy

looks don't have to be a part of it. not if you make it that way. Control. take it.

are you saying that i dont have to be attractive or that she doesnt have to be so attractive?

Cuz actually, I prefer if she's attractive.

 

[H_T_]

have you ever had a girl come on to you? do you know when they do?

 

[javaguru]

hmm, its tough to change who i am just so that women become attracted to me. but women as beautiful as this girl i met have proven to me that it would be worthwhile to do so, as long as im still honest about myself.

I'm willing to step up and try to act like more of a man and less of a pussy



are you saying that i dont have to be attractive or that she doesnt have to be so attractive?

Cuz actually, I prefer if she's attractive.

I think what he's saying is to treat all women the same regardless of attractiveness.

 

[H_T_]

I think what he's saying is to treat all women the same regardless of attractiveness.

yeah. and that & you don't have to be devastatingly handsome to get a gorgeous gal. but it helps if you have a strong attribute or 2....girls can smell a phony, so be as genuine as possible.

 

[PICK3]

look at those boobs though, you think 'healother' will ever get a chance to touch a pair as nice as that again?

no

 

[javaguru]

yeah. and that & you don't have to be devastatingly handsome to get a gorgeous gal. but it helps if you have a strong attribute or 2....girls can smell a phony, so be as genuine as possible.

I've been told by some very attractive women they actually prefer to date someone they consider less attractive than themselves, a security issue.

 

[H_T_]

I've been told by some very attractive women they actually prefer to date someone they consider less attractive than themselves, a security issue.

true. it's hard to find a true 50/50 relationship. someone is usually compromising in some manner.

 

[-SD-]

UPDATE:

Still feeling down. Talked to her tonight and it appears she is close to hooking up with someone else. She told me she didnt see me as her type. And she is unsure if she wants to fool around with me again. She likes 2 dudes right now actually, and I guess wont hang out with me again if she ends up hooking up with one of them. And she knows one of them likes her and wants to get in her pants.

Also lots of people saw her boobs at a party and some guy got to lick them.

This seriously sucks, i have no clue why I like this girl or why I'm jealous, but it really just blows. and for those curious, here is another pic of her, and her marvelous boobs:
The ones I wont ever get to touch again:

Everything I have said so far is consistent with what is happening right now. You didnt man up and get in her pants, now you are paying the price because of your outdated morals. GIRLS DONT GO FOR THE SHIT YOU ARE DOING. You can see this now. The older you get, and the more you get into these situations, the worse women will pwn you. Saw that pic of her and you FUCKED UP BIG TIME with this chick. I cant believe you could have had this chick and you took the piss on this one. You will pay the price for a while on this for your lack of balls. Its ok, learning experience padowan.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i just need to get a hold of her one more time...



dang, go easy on her man. dont assume so much. not every woman is a bitch, just the ones i try to hook up with

dude dont even give her the satisfaction of contact

 

[Sub-Zero]

UPDATE:

Still feeling down. Talked to her tonight and it appears she is close to hooking up with someone else. She told me she didnt see me as her type. And she is unsure if she wants to fool around with me again. She likes 2 dudes right now actually, and I guess wont hang out with me again if she ends up hooking up with one of them. And she knows one of them likes her and wants to get in her pants.

Also lots of people saw her boobs at a party and some guy got to lick them.

This seriously sucks, i have no clue why I like this girl or why I'm jealous, but it really just blows. and for those curious, here is another pic of her, and her marvelous boobs:
The ones I wont ever get to touch again:

wow your a vagina for letitng her talk to u about the guys shes hooking up with...

just take what you learned from this and know that it sucks to let a girl whip u like that and basically make u her bitch and dont let it happen again, u got ur dick tocuhed, and with that comes confidence to not fuck it up with someone that matters,

never think of her again

 

[myway]

true. it's hard to find a true 50/50 relationship. someone is usually compromising in some manner.

Woman gives herself as a prize to the weak and as a prop to the strong, and no man ever has what he should. -Cesare Pavese, 1908-1950

It's a repost..... but I really like it

 

[samoth]

She needs to paint those ugly yellow and green walls in her room.

She also direly needs a tan.

Oh, you do realize that there are apprx. 3 billion other females in this world? And I bet you all my karma that at least a couple of them live in your town.

HTH

 

[samoth]

Woman gives herself as a prize to the weak and as a prop to the strong, and no man ever has what he should. -Cesare Pavese, 1908-1950

It's a repost..... but I really like it

Hmm... I like that. (Never heard it before)

 

[myway]

I'm starting to feel really bad for this poor guy.
Plus, sure, she's kinda cute.... but not really. Plus, she's starting to sound like the type that would end up sleeping with his brother/best friend/ect., anyway.

 

[heavy_duty]

now she does look 18
and niiiiiiiiiiice TITS

too bad you fucked it up dawg.
nice guys finish last.

 

[myway]

Hmm... I like that. (Never heard it before)

I have tons of them bout almost everything. Good tymes.
But that's one of my favorites.

 

[Sub-Zero]

you shoulda just fucked her hardcore and left it

 

[healother]

have you ever had a girl come on to you? do you know when they do?

yes, but it was so long ago i cant remember. and i forgot what they do.

why you ask?

I think what he's saying is to treat all women the same regardless of attractiveness.

attractive women will always be what i prefer though. why would i not go after an attractive one?

Everything I have said so far is consistent with what is happening right now. You didnt man up and get in her pants, now you are paying the price because of your outdated morals. GIRLS DO GO FOR THE SHIT YOU ARE DOING. You can see this now. The older you get, and the more you get into these situations, the worse women will pwn you. Saw that pic of her and you FUCKED UP BIG TIME with this chick. I cant believe you could have had this chick and you took the piss on this one. You will pay the price for a while on this for your lack of balls. Its ok, learning experience padowan.

she never liked me though, all i would have ever been able to get from her would have been oral. here are my thoughts about sex: if I do it too much, I'm worried it will seem less emotionally rewarding and less special. lots of people still feel that way about it, how is that outdated?

Anyways, I did fuck up for sure. If I let her touch my dick, I should have gotten more from her. Anyways its too late, and I feel miserable now. I'm pretty confused about the whole thing. Wondering if I ever even should have met her, or if I should have met her and done more, I dont know

dude dont even give her the satisfaction of contact

why not? if I dont give it to her she'll get it from some other guy

wow your a vagina for letitng her talk to u about the guys shes hooking up with...

just take what you learned from this and know that it sucks to let a girl whip u like that and basically make u her bitch and dont let it happen again, u got ur dick tocuhed, and with that comes confidence to not fuck it up with someone that matters,

never think of her again

what should I have done? told her to shut up when she started talking about some other dude? lol. I asked if she wanted to hang out again and she said she didnt know cuz she liked another guy. then what was i supposed to say?

im not going to become any woman's bitch anymore.

She needs to paint those ugly yellow and green walls in her room.

She also direly needs a tan.

Oh, you do realize that there are apprx. 3 billion other females in this world? And I bet you all my karma that at least a couple of them live in your town.

HTH

she's perfect just how she is. yes there are 3 billion other women in the world, but for some reason my mind is still focused on this one. she's so pretty, im worried i cant find a prettier replacement than her, who is into me.

I'm starting to feel really bad for this poor guy.
Plus, sure, she's kinda cute.... but not really. Plus, she's starting to sound like the type that would end up sleeping with his brother/best friend/ect., anyway.

i dont know why, but i think she's beautiful. anyways, i dont think she's that type to cheat. she wont even fool around with me, because she feels like itd be cheating on the guy that she likes, even though they arent officially an item yet.

she's a good catch and i missed out, because i wasnt born with what it would take to win her. its over.

you shoulda just fucked her hardcore and left it

then she'd fuck some other guy the next week, and i'd probably miss her even worse

 

[biteme]

I have no advice to give you because I'm not a know-it-all like some others. Although,if you are a Christian, I'd say save yourself for the right woman. You gonna listen to God or a bunch of dummies on the internet?

 

[healother]

I have no advice to give you because I'm not a know-it-all like some others. Although,if you are a Christian, I'd say save yourself for the right woman. You gonna listen to God or a bunch of dummies on the internet?

If God came down and talked to me that would be one thing, but right now all I'd be listenting to is a book, the Bible, which isn't enough for me to base any decisions about sex. Therefore I go by what I know about myself.
But I do wish I had saved it, at least for a girl that's better than this ho. I mean she a room of men see her tits at a party (granted she was drunk) and she wouldnt even let me see her tits? wtf??? Right now I feel like crap. Seriously, I was better off as a complete virgin who had never been touched by a woman. I feel awful. I felt better before any of this happened. Now I've been fucked with.

 

[jd_uk]

either way i dont stand a chance anymore. she said im not her type.

You aren't her type because you're SUCH a pussy. If you were confident then you would be her type.

 

[jd_uk]

I'm willing to step up and try to act like more of a man and less of a pussy

lol, You already failed. 'Tryig' is a failing word. You have no belief in yourself whatsoever. Honestly my advice to you is to give up and wait until you meet someone more right for you because you clearly have no ability or guts to make any positive changes.

 

[healother]

You aren't her type because you're SUCH a pussy. If you were confident then you would be her type.

she said she didnt know why i wasnt her type, she couldnt describe it. but she said she knew it before she met me. she also said the age was a problem.

lol, You already failed. 'Tryig' is a failing word. You have no belief in yourself whatsoever. Honestly my advice to you is to give up and wait until you meet someone more right for you

shut up

because you clearly have no ability or guts to make any positive changes.

fuck you

 

[jd_uk]

attractive women will always be what i prefer though. why would i not go after an attractive one?

Ok either you're not real or just plain stupid.

 

[jd_uk]

she said she didnt know why i wasnt her type, she couldnt describe it. but she said she knew it before she met me. she also said the age was a problem.



shut up



fuck you

Ouch...lol...Be like that if you want...I'd personally love to hear you come on here and tell everyone how you fucked a really hot girl but at the moment it isn't going to happen. You can get angry with those giving you advice or you can get angry with yourself. The 2nd option is the only one that will see you succeed. It's been 6 years now and you still havn't taken a single piece of good advice given to you on here.

 

[jd_uk]

she said she didnt know why i wasnt her type, she couldnt describe it. but she said she knew it before she met me. she also said the age was a problem.

That is bs. Women who speak like this do not know what they want. If you acted differently then you'd become her type. If you turned her on, she wasn't going to push you away. The ugliest man in the world can be attractive if he knows how. Your personality is ugly to her and you're probably better looking to her than you think.

 

[healother]

Ok either you're not real or just plain stupid.

okay, how does the thing that you quoted suggest that?

Ouch...lol...Be like that if you want...I'd personally love to hear you come on here and tell everyone how you fucked a really hot girl but at the moment it isn't going to happen. You can get angry with those giving you advice or you can get angry with yourself. The 2nd option is the only one that will see you succeed. It's been 6 years now and you still havn't taken a single piece of good advice given to you on here.

If fucking a hot girl is what makes me happy, then I'd love to hear myself say it too. But I really hope that things dont go down badly again, like last time, where i regret it later.

From now on I'm only getting involved with a woman if im comfortable doing so. if she needs to be my girlfriend first then so be it.

That is bs. Women who speak like this do not know what they want. If you acted differently then you'd become her type. If you turned her on, she wasn't going to push you away. The ugliest man in the world can be attractive if he knows how. Your personality is ugly to her and you're probably better looking to her than you think.

It might be BS, tough to say. I dont know how often 18 yr olds in highschool with overprotective fathers get in relationships with 22 year old men who live 40 minutes away.
In any case, I'm willing to try harder and be the man that women want, because if it yields quality pussy, then it's worth it. As long as I'm still treating her and myself with respect thats all that matters.

 

[jd_uk]

okay, how does the thing that you quoted suggest that?

Because you COMPLETELY misunderstood JavaGuru's comment.

If fucking a hot girl is what makes me happy, then I'd love to hear myself say it too. But I really hope that things dont go down badly again, like last time, where i regret it later.

From now on I'm only getting involved with a woman if im comfortable doing so. if she needs to be my girlfriend first then so be it.

Fine....the there's no need to post up any more threads asking about women. You felt badly this time because you messed up and she didn't like you back (because of your behaviour). If you'd acted like you want to act then more likely than not, you would have felt great.

It might be BS, tough to say. I dont know how often 18 yr olds in highschool with overprotective fathers get in relationships with 22 year old men who live 40 minutes away.
In any case, I'm willing to try harder and be the man that women want, because if it yields quality pussy, then it's worth it. As long as I'm still treating her and myself with respect thats all that matters.

1. It's not hard to say, it is bs. She invited you over her house at 2am so she obviously found something about you attractive. It was there for the taking but you messed up. You turned her off instead of maintaining any attraction.

2. There's that 'try' word again. You already failed again. You have no confidence in yourself to change. After 6 years of getting nowhere you're used to failing. Change.

3. You've said you don't like the no fuss posts that people give you like 'stop being such a pussy, go get laid', but actually these are the posts that hold the best advice. This is how you need to be with yourself. No fuss, no more questions, no more insecutity, no more 'should i? what if she thinks ___ of me?, what if she doesn't like me?...etc' You need to learn (quickly) to 'Just Do It'.

4. If you want someone to find you very hot then you better like youself, a lot. You obviously don't think much of yourself and wish you could be someone else...be yourself just a more confident and no nonsense person.

5. Take my advice. I'd hate to think that i've wasted my time...again.

 

[healother]

Because you COMPLETELY misunderstood JavaGuru's comment.

but why would i treat all women the same regardless of attractiveness? shouldnt i try to get to know the more attractive ones?

Fine....the there's no need to post up any more threads asking about women. You felt badly this time because you messed up and she didn't like you back (because of your behaviour). If you'd acted like you want to act then more likely than not, you would have felt great.

yeah, I'm going to act more mature and more like a man next time

1. It's not hard to say, it is bs. She invited you over her house at 2am so she obviously found something about you attractive. It was there for the taking but you messed up. You turned her off instead of maintaining any attraction.

2. There's that 'try' word again. You already failed again. You have no confidence in yourself to change. After 6 years of getting nowhere you're used to failing. Change.

3. You've said you don't like the no fuss posts that people give you like 'stop being such a pussy, go get laid', but actually these are the posts that hold the best advice. This is how you need to be with yourself. No fuss, no more questions, no more insecutity, no more 'should i? what if she thinks ___ of me?, what if she doesn't like me?...etc' You need to learn (quickly) to 'Just Do It'.

4. If you want someone to find you very hot then you better like youself, a lot. You obviously don't think much of yourself and wish you could be someone else...be yourself just a more confident and no nonsense person.

5. Take my advice. I'd hate to think that i've wasted my time...again.

1. oh well, its too late now. unrecoverable probably, right?
2. its not so much the confidence factor, but rather that i just wasnt sure how much i wanted to change to attract women, you know? but im realizing that my current behavior around women needs to change if i want some ass.
3. Nike
4. Yeah, liking yourself is essential to get by in this world, even at times when you think it'd be ridiculous to like yourself. no one will give you the time of day if you dont like yourself. and everyone deserves friends and women, so im going to like myself so that it can happen.
5. I will go places soon, you'll see

 

[heavy_duty]

You must not know bout me
You must not know bout me
I can have another you in a minute
Matter fact she'll be here in a minute, baby
You must not know bout me
You must not know bout me
I can have another you by tomorrow
So don't you ever for a second get to thinking you're irreplaceable

 

[myway]

You must not know bout me
You must not know bout me
I can have another you in a minute
Matter fact she'll be here in a minute, baby
You must not know bout me
You must not know bout me
I can have another you by tomorrow
So don't you ever for a second get to thinking you're irreplaceable

Damn good song. Do u think she's singing it to the man peeps say she's singing it to?

 

[musclemom]

Healother, I have come to the conclusion that you:
1. Are Emo;
2. are an Emo Alter;
3. or you just WAY overanalyze shit.

Stop thinking so much and start enjoying life a little. Date, kiss, have sex or not, fall in love a few times, get your heart broken and maybe break a few hearts. You haven't lived enough to know what you want or don't want, and you can think about it until the sky caves in and you won't KNOW what it's like unless you live it.

Someone could tell you what it feels like to bungie jump, but it's JUST NOT THE SAME THING as doing it. You will NEVER know what it's like unless you jump off that bridge yourself.

The reason we live is so we can learn. The reason we make mistakes is so we can learn. You can't make mistakes unless you get out there and get your feet dirty with some real living.

So stop trying to think of what women think of you (because you'll NEVER figure it out anyway), stop trying to figure out what's going to happen before you even make a move (i.e., stop mentally getting married to a girl before you even go out on the first date, stop anxietizing over how a date may or may not go with women you haven't even met) and just get in there, swing for the fences and have some damn fun.

In other words, stop overthinking shit. You can't possibly work out hard enough, you think to friggin' much. If you lifted more you'd be too damn tired to think so damn much.

 

[healother]

Healother, I have come to the conclusion that you:
1. Are Emo;
2. are an Emo Alter;
3. or you just WAY overanalyze shit.

Stop thinking so much and start enjoying life a little. Date, kiss, have sex or not, fall in love a few times, get your heart broken and maybe break a few hearts. You haven't lived enough to know what you want or don't want, and you can think about it until the sky caves in and you won't KNOW what it's like unless you live it.

Someone could tell you what it feels like to bungie jump, but it's JUST NOT THE SAME THING as doing it. You will NEVER know what it's like unless you jump off that bridge yourself.

The reason we live is so we can learn. The reason we make mistakes is so we can learn. You can't make mistakes unless you get out there and get your feet dirty with some real living.

So stop trying to think of what women think of you (because you'll NEVER figure it out anyway), stop trying to figure out what's going to happen before you even make a move (i.e., stop mentally getting married to a girl before you even go out on the first date, stop anxietizing over how a date may or may not go with women you haven't even met) and just get in there, swing for the fences and have some damn fun.

In other words, stop overthinking shit. You can't possibly work out hard enough, you think to friggin' much. If you lifted more you'd be too damn tired to think so damn much.

The answer is 3) I overanalyze shit. i've been doing it for years!

Yeah, I just hope not to make mistakes that are too painful. What can be learned from this last experience that I had with this girl? That is what I'm trying to figure out.

BTW, Back when I used to workout really hard, I used to think too much all the time. Sure it usually was before or after the workout, and sometimes in between sets, but I still lifted heavy.

 

[heavy_duty]

HEAL

I'm thinking you don't have any friends in real life.
I'm thinking you have no social life.

EF is your life isnt it?

 

[healother]

HEAL

I'm thinking you don't have any friends in real life.
I'm thinking you have no social life.

EF is your life isnt it?

false.

i just watched the superbowl with a couple friends tonight. The problem is they are both guys and they never introduce me to women

 

[myway]

false.

i just watched the superbowl with a couple friends tonight. The problem is they are both guys and they never introduce me to women

What makes u think u would like the women they know? What makes u think another man can find the right girl/girls for u?

Step away from the computer. Jump in the shower. Scrub off that failure-face u keep painting on yourself.
Get in ur closet and find something wrinkle free to wear.
Go somewhere. Do something. Pick ur own girl/girls. If u pick from what other men find for u.... ur selection will be less than the best. Seriously. Think about it.
Ur friends won't introduce u to the good ones because they will want them. They will only pass on the less than best girls.
Go find something you want. No one can pick what you want for yourself better than you.

 

[Subzeero]

everybody thinks they can help him and they really can't and that ends up annoying the fuck outta me and the person trying to help, so help me god i am unsubscribing from this thread.

 

[H_T_]

i'd tell you to get a whore again, but i think it'd be like Risky Business and you'd be out 10 fold. you'd be on an offender list, and thas' worse than trying to tell the girl you've been dating that you have a scorching case of herpes. yo. festering pustules.

 

[jackangel]

i amend my previous statement, she looks much better in the 2nd picture. not hot, but whatever.

update: this is still futile and psycho. watch me post up some more useless opinions in the future, though. sweet.

 

[myway]

i'd tell you to get a whore again, but i think it'd be like Risky Business and you'd be out 10 fold. you'd be on an offender list, and thas' worse than trying to tell the girl you've been dating that you have a scorching case of herpes. yo. festering pustules.

The sad part is he'd prolly fall in love with a whore if she told him he was good enough.
If he had a higher opinion of himself he wouldn't be steal dealing with this mess.

 

[H_T_]

The sad part is he'd prolly fall in love with a whore if she told him he was good enough.
If he had a higher opinion of himself he wouldn't be steal dealing with this mess.

he'll marry his first piece of ass. he'll be totally Munson'ed from that point on.

 

[healother]

What makes u think u would like the women they know? What makes u think another man can find the right girl/girls for u?

Step away from the computer. Jump in the shower. Scrub off that failure-face u keep painting on yourself.
Get in ur closet and find something wrinkle free to wear.
Go somewhere. Do something. Pick ur own girl/girls. If u pick from what other men find for u.... ur selection will be less than the best. Seriously. Think about it.
Ur friends won't introduce u to the good ones because they will want them. They will only pass on the less than best girls.
Go find something you want. No one can pick what you want for yourself better than you.

true. by finding them by myself i have way more control. i was just responding to heavy duty who thought i didnt have any social life.
im debating what works better nowadays, meeting women on the internet or meeting them in person. i've had horrible luck with both.

I know I need to get off of the computer and get out more. Honestly i want to destory my computer. stomp on it, hit it with a hammer, etc. but i know i should probably sell it instead.

i dont know how to pick up girls. and i want to get one so badly that its hard not to come accross as desperate. as you can imagine this has negatively impacted my perception of life. basically ever since ive had hormones, ive never gotten the girls that im into.

 

[myway]

he'll marry his first piece of ass. he'll be totally Munson'ed from that point on.

Yep. Ur prolly right....AGAIN. Poor fella. Plus, he prolly thinks we're being mean by saying this stuff. It won't matter what we say. He'll need to figure it out on his own.

 

[healother]

If he had a higher opinion of himself he wouldn't be steal dealing with this mess.

you're right. but fixing that would take years probably, and i want pussy now

he'll marry his first piece of ass. he'll be totally Munson'ed from that point on.

nothing wrong with marrying the first piece of ass, as long as she's perfect for you and you genuinely love her.
munson'ed? whats that mean?

Yep. Ur prolly right....AGAIN. Poor fella. Plus, he prolly thinks we're being mean by saying this stuff. It won't matter what we say. He'll need to figure it out on his own.

ill be so old all the women around me will be wrinkly by the time i figure this out

 

[javaguru]

Live and learn bor.....

 

[musclemom]

The answer is 3) I overanalyze shit. i've been doing it for years!

Yeah, I just hope not to make mistakes that are too painful. What can be learned from this last experience that I had with this girl? That is what I'm trying to figure out.

BTW, Back when I used to workout really hard, I used to think too much all the time. Sure it usually was before or after the workout, and sometimes in between sets, but I still lifted heavy.

Stop trying to figure it out and start listening to the other dudes on this thread. Your obsession with this female has to do with the fact that you're regretting YOU weren't aggressive enough to fondle her outrageously at a party. Let it go. Big boobs aren't exactly uncommon.

Heal, while women like sensitive men, then generally only want that shit WHEN they're actually IN a relationship.

Get sensitive when you've got a relationship, until then suck it up, get over it and move on.

You have to learn to deal with rejection if you're going to be a guy who dates real human females. It's tough for men, but it is what it is. She rejected you becuase of WHATEVER. She's a fucking chick, who fucking KNOWS what she wants? Shit, girls reject guys because the smell is wrong (I kid you not), so stop trying to figure out why SHE rejected you, and go find the one that CHASES you.

 

[healother]

Stop trying to figure it out and start listening to the other dudes on this thread. Your obsession with this female has to do with the fact that you're regretting YOU weren't aggressive enough to fondle her outrageously at a party. Let it go. Big boobs aren't exactly uncommon.

Heal, while women like sensitive men, then generally only want that shit WHEN they're actually IN a relationship.

Get sensitive when you've got a relationship, until then suck it up, get over it and move on.

You have to learn to deal with rejection if you're going to be a guy who dates real human females. It's tough for men, but it is what it is. She rejected you becuase of WHATEVER. She's a fucking chick, who fucking KNOWS what she wants? Shit, girls reject guys because the smell is wrong (I kid you not), so stop trying to figure out why SHE rejected you, and go find the one that CHASES you.

yeah, im ready to move on. I've done some moving on already, by trying online dating, but i get rejected on there a lot (women just dont respond). So I think im going to try meeting women in real life instead.

 

[musclemom]

yeah, im ready to move on. I've done some moving on already, by trying online dating, but i get rejected on there a lot (women just dont respond). So I think im going to try meeting women in real life instead.

Real women, much better Online dating = bad, not appropriate for young people, smacks of despiration and unnatural interests.

 

[heavy_duty]

Your boys won't hook you up?

fuck
that is very very very BAD....that's a sign bro!!!

oh shit mang!!!!

false.

i just watched the superbowl with a couple friends tonight. The problem is they are both guys and they never introduce me to women

 

[silver_shadow]

what should I have done? told her to shut up when she started talking about some other dude? lol. I asked if she wanted to hang out again and she said she didnt know cuz she liked another guy. then what was i supposed to say?

actually, that is pretty much what you should have done. it's been my experience that 9 out of 10 times a chick mentions another guy to make you feel jealous. if you don't react, she'll think your cool about her seeing other guys so you're not possessive about her... something most women want to feel - that a guy is willing to kill other men for her!

the easiest way to get chicks is to become more confident. with confidence you'll find even women you don't know at all, total strangers, hitting on you in all sorts of places... in malls, restaurants, buses, trains, while walking down the road, at work, in the gym (you do workout right?)... different ages - older, younger, same age, different ethnic groups. sometimes, it'll be more subtle and sometimes it will be blatantly obvious like a girl stopping to say "hi" to you (i'm not making this up - it actually happens). you won't have to say stuff like "i don't get to meet girls"

do whatever it takes for you to be more confident... most here on EF improved their self confidence by becoming bigger, stronger and more jacked... the chicks don't necessarily dig just the better body but the confidence that comes with it. hell i've seen ugly guys with average joe bodies get chicks to run behind them because they have confidence along with charisma.

PS: don't confuse confidence for cockiness and/or arrogance/narcissism though.

 

[velvett]

OMG

I can't take it anymore.

She's not for you - it's done it's over she's not interested.

And guess what - there will be more just like her and you'll have girls liking you that you don't think that are good enough for you.

You are not ready to be involved with someone else at this point in your life.


Look to yourself to make yourself a better person, for you and for other to appreciate you more.

 

[heavy_duty]

dood you deserve a free book from Spellwin on how to pick up chicks.

 

[jh1]

I only read the first post:

This girl sounds like a skeezy slut.

































Send me her number.

 

[silver_shadow]

dood you deserve a free book from Spellwin on how to pick up chicks.

lol

 

[-SD-]

What makes u think u would like the women they know? What makes u think another man can find the right girl/girls for u?

Step away from the computer. Jump in the shower. Scrub off that failure-face u keep painting on yourself.
Get in ur closet and find something wrinkle free to wear.
Go somewhere. Do something. Pick ur own girl/girls. If u pick from what other men find for u.... ur selection will be less than the best. Seriously. Think about it.
Ur friends won't introduce u to the good ones because they will want them. They will only pass on the less than best girls.
Go find something you want. No one can pick what you want for yourself better than you.

Welcome to the advice for then p60, circa 2001. Just kidding its still good advice but after all these years i have to stepback and just make fun of this whole thing.

 

[Gambino]

i cannot believe this grew into a 10 page monster

 

[Y_lifter]

She touches mens dicks but won't let you kiss her ??

Does she think she's Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, or what ?

 

[-SD-]

i cannot believe this grew into a 10 page monster

Why? This kids EF gravitational pull is second only to a Bmom superblackhole. Not even the light from your computer monitor can escape.

 

[Tweakle]

she's perfect just how she is

you don't get to say that about anyone until you've had relationships with enough other woment to be able to make a meaningful comparision.

she lets guys lick her nipples in public, and tells you about the cawk she craves from other dudes. Even if you managed to snag her into marriage, for the rest of your life she'd be acting out.

online 'dating' is a gold mine of damaged chicks looking for hook-ups, if you can't get laid from that then give up all hope. Remember you're just trying to get the sex thing out of your system with a confidence-raising disposable fuck or two so when you meet someone you actually like you'll have a better idea which bits do what.

 

[healother]

Real women, much better Online dating = bad, not appropriate for young people, smacks of despiration and unnatural interests.

Yeah, I've heard other people say that same thing, that online dating is only for older people, lol.
So how does it smack of despiration and unnatural interests?

Meeting women in the real world is tough. And I dont see how it would be any more or less acceptable depending on age. I mean its not like i can meet women in college anymore, I graduated!

Your boys won't hook you up?

fuck
that is very very very BAD....that's a sign bro!!!

oh shit mang!!!!

they have no hookups

actually, that is pretty much what you should have done. it's been my experience that 9 out of 10 times a chick mentions another guy to make you feel jealous. if you don't react, she'll think your cool about her seeing other guys so you're not possessive about her... something most women want to feel - that a guy is willing to kill other men for her!

the easiest way to get chicks is to become more confident. with confidence you'll find even women you don't know at all, total strangers, hitting on you in all sorts of places... in malls, restaurants, buses, trains, while walking down the road, at work, in the gym (you do workout right?)... different ages - older, younger, same age, different ethnic groups. sometimes, it'll be more subtle and sometimes it will be blatantly obvious like a girl stopping to say "hi" to you (i'm not making this up - it actually happens). you won't have to say stuff like "i don't get to meet girls"

do whatever it takes for you to be more confident... most here on EF improved their self confidence by becoming bigger, stronger and more jacked... the chicks don't necessarily dig just the better body but the confidence that comes with it. hell i've seen ugly guys with average joe bodies get chicks to run behind them because they have confidence along with charisma.

PS: don't confuse confidence for cockiness and/or arrogance/narcissism though.

I've discoverd that gaining confidence can be real tough, especially since I am kind of a perfectionist and am hard on myself. I am not sure of any foolproof method for gaining confidence. I am working out more now, and I plan on kicking my body into good shape, so that I can at least feel confident about my appearances, but i know thats only half the battle when it comes to gaining confidence and attracting women. Even back when i worked out all the time and looked good, I still had problems attracting women, and still had quite low self esteem. Instead of having low confidence due to appearances, it was my weak socializing skills and my natural introvert-ness that were hurting my confidence,

Can someone have some good confidence even if they suck at life? In other words could someone reprogram themselves to always be confident even though their life wasnt all that great in comparison to other people's?

You are not ready to be involved with someone else at this point in your life.


Look to yourself to make yourself a better person, for you and for other to appreciate you more.

I've been trying to better myself for 22 years. Just because I dont have the best handle on things, doesnt mean I should have to suffer and always be single as a result.

She touches mens dicks but won't let you kiss her ??

Does she think she's Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, or what ?

she didnt want to be my first kiss. she doesnt like teaching people how to kiss, and she didnt want me to remember it and be upset that i kissed a girl who didnt stick around, or something

you don't get to say that about anyone until you've had relationships with enough other woment to be able to make a meaningful comparision.

since when do you have to be in a relationship to know who a good woman when you see one?

she lets guys lick her nipples in public, and tells you about the cawk she craves from other dudes. Even if you managed to snag her into marriage, for the rest of your life she'd be acting out.

yeah, i guess she's more of a whore than i thought

Remember you're just trying to get the sex thing out of your system with a confidence-raising disposable fuck or two so when you meet someone you actually like you'll have a better idea which bits do what.

im sure that was one of the things that was going through my head when i hooked up with this girl and let her touch my dick.

 

[silver_shadow]

I've discoverd that gaining confidence can be real tough, especially since I am kind of a perfectionist and am hard on myself. I am not sure of any foolproof method for gaining confidence. I am working out more now, and I plan on kicking my body into good shape, so that I can at least feel confident about my appearances, but i know thats only half the battle when it comes to gaining confidence and attracting women. Even back when i worked out all the time and looked good, I still had problems attracting women, and still had quite low self esteem. Instead of having low confidence due to appearances, it was my weak socializing skills and my natural introvert-ness that were hurting my confidence,

Can someone have some good confidence even if they suck at life? In other words could someone reprogram themselves to always be confident even though their life wasnt all that great in comparison to other people's?

that's not the sign of a perfectionist, that's the sign of someone who thinks negatively... don't fool yourself. and yes, being introverted is the other half... that changes when you get a job where you have to meet people all the time... sales for instance. you'll be forced to break out of your shell and you'll slowly find yourself becoming more comfortable with people. and yes, success, having tasted failure in the past only improves confidence.

 

[musclemom]

Yeah, I've heard other people say that same thing, that online dating is only for older people, lol.
So how does it smack of despiration and unnatural interests?

Meeting women in the real world is tough. And I dont see how it would be any more or less acceptable depending on age. I mean its not like i can meet women in college anymore, I graduated!

If a guy is under 30, isn't weird looking, doesn't live in Alaska and can't find a girl on his own there's something wrong with him, seriously. Meet girls through your church, meet them at the laundrymat, meet them in the supermarket, meet them in bars, have your friends and family hook you up, shit, meet them at work but be careful there. Go to spiritual retreats. Or really wake up and go to fucking Hedonism.

Just open your eyes and open your mouth, walk up to a pretty girl and say, "Hi." The worst thing she'll do is tell you to piss off.

My son has NEVER had trouble finding dates, EVER. Shit, he started flirting with the chick at the bank who was helping us make some changes to his bank account. Girls are everywhere. You just can't look at every single one and go "ummm, not marriage material ... umm, 10 pounds too heavy ... ummm, tits too small .... oh, bad haircut." Just start dating a little, loosen up.

 

[jackangel]

did you really just say that she's perfect how she is? the girl this thread is about? someone that has treated you rather poorly? someone that you really don't know, and doesn't really want to know you?

and do you really believe the bullshit reason she gave you for not wanting to kiss you?

that's insane. this is all insane. to save you the trouble of responding to this post with an earnest question (i.e. "why is that insane? i think it's quite reasonable blah blah blah"), i'll simply say that i can't prove it to you, or even explain it, if you don't see that.

then again, there are others here who don't see it that way either, so why should you...

 

[sawastea]

This thread is AWESOME! Some old schoolers out of retirement posting in here.

As many people mentioned, LET HER GO. Get on with your life and don't contact her again, ever. If she contacts you, she'll want it. Move on with your life. Hit the gym, build self-confidence. Read one of Spellberg's 687 eBooks, how to get poonany.

Be strong.

 

[healother]

that's not the sign of a perfectionist, that's the sign of someone who thinks negatively... don't fool yourself. and yes, being introverted is the other half... that changes when you get a job where you have to meet people all the time... sales for instance. you'll be forced to break out of your shell and you'll slowly find yourself becoming more comfortable with people. and yes, success, having tasted failure in the past only improves confidence.

im a perfectionist too though, trust me. perfectionism and negativity are a bad combo, but im working on it.

If a guy is under 30, isn't weird looking, doesn't live in Alaska and can't find a girl on his own there's something wrong with him, seriously. Meet girls through your church, meet them at the laundrymat, meet them in the supermarket, meet them in bars, have your friends and family hook you up, shit, meet them at work but be careful there. Go to spiritual retreats. Or really wake up and go to fucking Hedonism.

Just open your eyes and open your mouth, walk up to a pretty girl and say, "Hi." The worst thing she'll do is tell you to piss off.

My son has NEVER had trouble finding dates, EVER. Shit, he started flirting with the chick at the bank who was helping us make some changes to his bank account. Girls are everywhere. You just can't look at every single one and go "ummm, not marriage material ... umm, 10 pounds too heavy ... ummm, tits too small .... oh, bad haircut." Just start dating a little, loosen up.

Yeah, they are everywhere. I'm working on the whole 'approach them' thing. It's still tough.

did you really just say that she's perfect how she is? the girl this thread is about? someone that has treated you rather poorly? someone that you really don't know, and doesn't really want to know you?

and do you really believe the bullshit reason she gave you for not wanting to kiss you?

that's insane. this is all insane. to save you the trouble of responding to this post with an earnest question (i.e. "why is that insane? i think it's quite reasonable blah blah blah"), i'll simply say that i can't prove it to you, or even explain it, if you don't see that.

then again, there are others here who don't see it that way either, so why should you...

she's perfect looking. In the other ways she isn't perfect. I believe she is full of bs. for someone in her situation its easier for her to lie.

This thread is AWESOME! Some old schoolers out of retirement posting in here.

As many people mentioned, LET HER GO. Get on with your life and don't contact her again, ever. If she contacts you, she'll want it. Move on with your life. Hit the gym, build self-confidence. Read one of Spellberg's 687 eBooks, how to get poonany.

Be strong.

I've been hitting the gym and working on my confidence. Next up I will be working on finding some interests, and then I will work on the women.

I've basically let this girl go. the only way ill give her an opportunity is if she crawls back to me.

 

[healother]

UPDATE:

It's official, it's over (big suprise, huh?)

I talked to her last night on aol and on the phone, and I found out she was lying to me about some things. Yes, she does like another guy right now, but that's not the reason she doesn't want to hang out with me (not what she told me before).
Last night she said that:

1) I did screw up the time I hung out with her, and she probably wouldn't ever want to fool around with me again. She said I complained too much, was an amateur, laid on her too much without letting her lay on me, and it just wasnt much of a turn on experience for her overall.

And she admitted she was making excuses earlier for not hanging out with me, and not talking to me as much. Because she was turned off by what happened the time we hung out last.

2) She said she isnt sure if she wants to screw around anymore, apparently she was screwing around with multiple guys (which she didnt tell me earlier) and she decided it might be doing her more harm than good. But even if she did want to screw around, it probably wouldnt be with me, she said.


But... She still wants to be friends and talk.

I told her I thought it would be better for me if I didnt talk to her for awhile, because I still like her, and it sucks being reminded about her and reminded about how things turned out sour, and that i wont get anything from her.

Then she said, "no dont be ridiculous, we should still talk. If we stop talking for awhile, I probably wont start talking to you again even if you want to later, cuz I'll be out of that mode"


At this moment, I'm trying to decide whether this girl was truly being disrespectful with me or not,
and even if she wasnt, whether or not i should still remain friends with her.

Honestly, I think it might be easier on me, if I deleted her from my aol and facebook, that way I wouldnt have to be reminded of this mess.
And it sounds like the odds of her letting me back into her bed are slim. But if she wants to have fun again, she can be the one to contact me, cuz until then, I dont see what I'd get out of talking to her besides becoming more depressed.

 

[Gambino]

UPDATE:

It's official, it's over (big suprise, huh?)

I talked to her last night on aol and on the phone, and I found out she was lying to me about some things. Yes, she does like another guy right now, but that's not the reason she doesn't want to hang out with me (not what she told me before).
Last night she said that:

1) I did screw up the time I hung out with her, and she probably wouldn't ever want to fool around with me again. She said I complained too much, was an amateur, laid on her too much without letting her lay on me, and it just wasnt much of a turn on experience for her overall.

And she admitted she was making excuses earlier for not hanging out with me, and not talking to me as much. Because she was turned off by what happened the time we hung out last.

2) She said she isnt sure if she wants to screw around anymore, apparently she was screwing around with multiple guys (which she didnt tell me earlier) and she decided it might be doing her more harm than good. But even if she did want to screw around, it probably wouldnt be with me, she said.


But... She still wants to be friends and talk.

I told her I thought it would be better for me if I didnt talk to her for awhile, because I still like her, and it sucks being reminded about her and reminded about how things turned out sour, and that i wont get anything from her.

Then she said, "no dont be ridiculous, we should still talk. If we stop talking for awhile, I probably wont start talking to you again even if you want to later, cuz I'll be out of that mode"


At this moment, I'm trying to decide whether or not this girl was truly being disrespectful with me or not,
and even if she wasnt, whether or not i should still remain friends with her.

Honestly, I think it might be easier on me, if I deleted her from my aol and facebook, that way I wouldnt have to be reminded of this mess.
And it sounds like the odds of her letting me back into her bed are slim. But if she wants to have fun again, she can be the one to contact me, cuz until then, I dont see what I'd get out of talking to her besides becoming more depressed.

bro this is some juvenile shit
middle school level
you're 22, with a degree, you live in a cool state, you're not ugly or deformed.
the world is a lot brighter than you see it.
move on soldier

 

[-SD-]

UPDATE:

It's official, it's over (big suprise, huh?)

I talked to her last night on aol and on the phone, and I found out she was lying to me about some things. Yes, she does like another guy right now, but that's not the reason she doesn't want to hang out with me (not what she told me before).
Last night she said that:

1) I did screw up the time I hung out with her, and she probably wouldn't ever want to fool around with me again. She said I complained too much, was an amateur, laid on her too much without letting her lay on me, and it just wasnt much of a turn on experience for her overall.

And she admitted she was making excuses earlier for not hanging out with me, and not talking to me as much. Because she was turned off by what happened the time we hung out last.

2) She said she isnt sure if she wants to screw around anymore, apparently she was screwing around with multiple guys (which she didnt tell me earlier) and she decided it might be doing her more harm than good. But even if she did want to screw around, it probably wouldnt be with me, she said.


But... She still wants to be friends and talk.

I told her I thought it would be better for me if I didnt talk to her for awhile, because I still like her, and it sucks being reminded about her and reminded about how things turned out sour, and that i wont get anything from her.

Then she said, "no dont be ridiculous, we should still talk. If we stop talking for awhile, I probably wont start talking to you again even if you want to later, cuz I'll be out of that mode"


At this moment, I'm trying to decide whether this girl was truly being disrespectful with me or not,
and even if she wasnt, whether or not i should still remain friends with her.

Honestly, I think it might be easier on me, if I deleted her from my aol and facebook, that way I wouldnt have to be reminded of this mess.
And it sounds like the odds of her letting me back into her bed are slim. But if she wants to have fun again, she can be the one to contact me, cuz until then, I dont see what I'd get out of talking to her besides becoming more depressed.

DO NOT be friends, DO NOT ever contact her again. Cut all losses right now and move on. Believe me, your losses are bigger than Enron in 2002. I know you want feedback and such from us but you should be feeling most embarrased from posting that stuff, please tell me you feel embarrased otherwise you will plod through this whole dating thing without having that reference in your mind to let you know when you arent acting right.
Consider it very rare that you got insight into how the young womans mind works directly from her telling you how you fucked up, because that sort of feedback will rarely come along.

 

[jackangel]

just out of curiosity...

is your room bathed in a sinister, dark red light? do you have stacks and stacks of journals filled with your own writing (with very neat, even precise, tiny penmanship)? how do you feel about the 7 deadly sins?





























detective...

detective...






DETECTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[healother]

bro this is some juvenile shit
middle school level
you're 22, with a degree, you live in a cool state, you're not ugly or deformed.
the world is a lot brighter than you see it.
move on soldier

i agree.

DO NOT be friends, DO NOT ever contact her again. Cut all losses right now and move on. Believe me, your losses are bigger than Enron in 2002. I know you want feedback and such from us but you should be feeling most embarrased from posting that stuff, please tell me you feel embarrased otherwise you will plod through this whole dating thing without having that reference in your mind to let you know when you arent acting right.
Consider it very rare that you got insight into how the young womans mind works directly from her telling you how you fucked up, because that sort of feedback will rarely come along.

I figured this was the best answer. Yes I do feel embarassed about posting this stuff. I learned a fair amount, and I hope I never repeat some of these mistakes again.

I pushed for some feedback, otherwise I wouldnt have gotten it.