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Illegal immigrants may get the tax rebate

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I know from being a Controller for many years that Illegals use fake socials and Itin numbers to file taxes however they always claim 5 or more dependents which means they basically pay no tax..Anytime someone wants to claim 5 or more dependents I always ask for documentation as to the dependents per the IRS guidelines.. This helps some however its still alarming at the lengths illegals with go to evade taxes....This article is interesting



http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0108/Lou_Dobbs_alert_Illegal_immigrants_may_get_rebates.html

Lou Dobbs alert: Illegal immigrants may get rebates


In their bipartisan zeal to quickly cut a deal on an economic stimulus bill, GOP lawmakers overlooked something that will certainly inflame the conservative base _ illegal immigrants could receive a tax rebate check from the government.

But late Wednesday, the Senate Finance Committee was scrambling to fix the problem _ contained in the House bill _ by only allowing taxpayers using legitimate Social Security numbers to receive rebates.

The text of the House passed bill contains language making "non resident aliens" _ illegal immigrants _ ineligible for the tax rebates. But every year, hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants use individual taxpayer identification numbers, known as ITINs, to file income tax returns with the IRS. These ID numbers are used instead of Social Security numbers. There are no exact statistics for how many illegal immigrants file tax returns, but this New York Times story from last year details the significant increase in use of ITINs. This story also lays out the issue.

Immigration advocates point out that many legal immigrants use ITINs, so it would be impossible to tell who is legal and who is not from those who use these IDs. The Senate version of the bill would prohibit use of ITINs, meaning some legal immigrants would not receive rebates.

Republicans who were involved in negotiating the bipartisan economic stimulus package would like to avoid the illegal immigration debate as the $146 billion bill comes to the Senate this week. Congressional aides say the problem is that the IRS is not a law enforcement agency, so it doesn't check immigration status when people file tax returns.

"The reality is that those who filed a tax return will be eligible" for tax rebates of $600 to $1,200, said Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.). "This [issue] has not been addressed" by the senators writing the bill.

The issue has certainly caught on in the conservative blogosphere, though, and you can bet a few conservative senators will bring this up as the stimulus bill hits the Senate floor. CNN's Lou Dobbs will probably have a field day with the issue as well.

A spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) points out that illegal immigrants are ineligible for any rebates and are committing tax fraud if they fraudulently obtain taxpayer ID numbers to file tax returns. Republicans also issued a memo Wednesday trying to defuse any controversy over immigrants and tax rebates.

"The bill includes language similar to the provisions included in the 2001 and 2003 tax relief bills designed to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving benefits," Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith said. "There is no language in the measure that would enable illegal immigrants to receive a tax rebate.”

Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a conservative organization, says the problem is not with the economic stimulus bill but with the lack of coordination between the IRS and immigration enforcement agencies.

"If the IRS was cooperating with Social Security or DHS [Homeland Security] ... they would know who the illegal immigrants are who file tax returns," Krikorian said.

It's not clear if the Senate fix will stay in the bill as the legislation heads to the Senate floor tomorrow.
 
unbelievable, they are here illegally, filing fake tax returns to get the EIC and now they are going to get more free money from the stimulus package. kick them all out i say. who cares if they have family here or not. they knew the consequences when they came here illegally.
 
They won't, they're closing the loophole. However, I should point out that only illegals that were paying taxes would have actually gotten it. The US government gets a lot of tax income from illegals that use fake SS numbers which means they'll never collect a payout. :)
 
lol this is funny.

Conservatives argue that Illegals are bad for the economy because they don't pay taxes.

Now, only the ones that actually filed returns, would get this rebate. If they filed returns, they paid taxes remember?

And then keep in mind at all times that these illegals are here making citizens (usually white conservative business owners) rich.
 
Lestat said:
lol this is funny.

Conservatives argue that Illegals are bad for the economy because they don't pay taxes.

Now, only the ones that actually filed returns, would get this rebate. If they filed returns, they paid taxes remember?

And then keep in mind at all times that these illegals are here making citizens (usually white conservative business owners) rich.
They're closing that loophole so only valid SS numbers will get the rebate. How many conservatives have had scandals about employing cheap illegal labor? After all, they're stealing all those minimum wage jobs Americans won't take. :)
 
javaguru said:
They're closing that loophole so only valid SS numbers will get the rebate. How many conservatives have had scandals about employing cheap illegal labor? After all, they're stealing all those minimum wage jobs Americans won't take. :)
I have employees that make up names and childerens socials to try and claim exemptions. I always require the proper forms prior to submitting any dependents for employees... Remember most of these people are making under $40,000 per year so without exemptions they are in a 28% to 30% tax bracket .. Now add 5 dependents and your suddenly paying nothing in State and Federal .......
 
Arabian said:
I have employees that make up names and childerens socials to try and claim exemptions. I always require the proper forms prior to submitting any dependents for employees... Remember most of these people are making under $40,000 per year so without exemptions they are in a 28% to 30% tax bracket .. Now add 5 dependents and your suddenly paying nothing in State and Federal .......
So you employee illegals? You're also assuming they actually file and even so...They may not pay any income tax but they're still paying social security which they will never collect.....and they aren't getting the rebate.
 
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