IF your massive i have a question?

[p-onyx]

ok i weigh about 225 pounds right now for me to gain mass is very easy. I have been big my hole life and this is my question. SUmmer is about thrre months away for me im 19. I want ot get a little bigger im about 6 foot tall with about 9 -10 % body fat aatt most. I want to to know if i should train heavy and then start to cut. OR train to cut up and then go heavy. WHich one should i start. Oh yeah i have a great diet right now so it won't be hard for me to do neighther... please help

 

[b fold the truth]

You must look at your short and long term goals. if you short term goals hinder your long term goals...you need to re-define one of them.

When I was 200lbs:
Long term goal to be huge
Short term goal to bulk to be huge

If my short term goal would have been to cut...it would not have gotten me any closer to my long term goal...only would have procrastinated it.

B True

 

[Grantsdu]

I'm not huge by any means but I would hit heavy weights hard as hell for a month, month in a half then start high reps. Has always worked for me but like I said I'm not HUGE!!

 

[p-onyx]

im not trying look huge i just want to put on a little extra muscle than shred you know......when you were training for bulk did you have a great diet or not??????

 

[CongoJoe]

train heavy then cut. you will be bigger and leaner by the time you cut up. what i would do is lift heavy....take lots of protein at least 2grms per pound, high fat(flaxseed oil) and not too much carbs. around 100 grams a day. or less. thats what i do and it always works for me..that way i drop bodyfat and put on lean muscle. you can throw in cardio 3 times a week early morning on empty stomach. im 3 months you can do miracles to your body.

 

[studcj]

define your high and low reps...

high= 10, 20?

If your high is around 10, then I would say bump that up to fifteen, and do more sets of each exercise also.

5 sets of 15 will definitly blast your muscles if your not used to it, and it will put them in to shock and cause growth, but you may also reap the benefits of cutting up.

I say increase the reps and sets and cut down your rest time. If your diet is really good, you should gain some muscle and look leaner. I wouldn't recommend doing this type of program for more than 8 weeks but I think it may be a good change, depending on what your doing now..

 

[p-onyx]

Right now i train heavy three to four sets of 10 reps depending the muscle. And two grams of protein per pound and does that stay the same when i begin to cut up or does it change and 100 grams of carbs a day that is cutiing it really low considering the fact that i own a bakery. How about wheat bread is that ok. oh yeah i also heard it good not to eat and carbs past six and take a protein shake right before u go to bed that contains no carbs and fats. Is that true

 

[dasgh]

19 and already own a bakery?? hows that happen?

 

[bm2k]

You must look at your short and long term goals. if you short term goals hinder your long term goals...you need to re-define one of them.

When I was 200lbs:
Long term goal to be huge
Short term goal to bulk to be huge

If my short term goal would have been to cut...it would not have gotten me any closer to my long term goal...only would have procrastinated it.

B True

I find myself with opposing thoughts regarding this line of thinking. Firstly, many people here are aiming to be huge. At the same time, most of these people want to be huge *and* lean.

Depending on each individuals starting point, they will place different levels of emphasis on each element of the long term goal. For me, I'm a former fatty who still struggles keeping BF%s down. For others, they might be skinny-bastards who have never been able to put on weight. Overall I would guess that people like me would like to keep their body-fat controlled, while skinny people just want to pack on mass.

The resultant dilemma is that I don't want to continuously bulk and let fat accumulate. However, lack of patience means this is quite difficult because my final goal is to be huge and I gain fat easily. This is made even worse by the fact I'm natural (being in Australia is tough - I can't get anything!).

So, what to do? Firstly, I could just suck it up and bulk like a mofo, then deal with the excess fat once I'm big and strong. Alternatively, I could use shorter bulking cycles and shorter cutting cycles mixed in between.

For me, this depends on one thing: which method will get me huge *and* lean faster? This, I don't know the answer to...

 

[b fold the truth]

I think that it comes down to intelligent bulking. I stay about the same bodyfat% year round. Sure...for a few weeks I might get a tad bit leaner then a tad bit fatter...but on average I stay the same. Maintaining a bodyfat % of 12-14% is ideal for bulking. I can even see going slightly higher or lower temporarily.

If you want to stay lean then you will be staying in a catabolic state. Sure...you are lean...but you are hindering your goals. For those who desire to be an on-stage bodybuilder...you must look at your long term goal and if your short term goal is helping it. You must be able to look 4 years down the road and see if what you are doing now will help get you there.

If you diet 1 year into the preperation...then you have prolonged your goal.

Just look at higher education. You want to make the big bucks right out of high school. Sure, you get out of high school and can make enough money to get a nice little place, new truck (payment), and this and that...but you can only go so far on $10 an hour. On the other hand you can look at higher education as a means to an end. Sure, you don't like being poor or going to class for a few years...but the end result pays for itself.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here...

B True