if money wasnt an issue, would you still use UG gear?

[Big Rick Rock]

Yes but you are going by dosage BRR. I am saying all things being EQUAL. As in EXACTLY the same, would you go mexi still over Human grade?

If dosage were equal (but it is not) and price was the same (but it is not) and I were to take into account my own knowledge about Mexican Steroids -and- Ulters findings thru the tests he performed on the QV stuff... I would have to say there would be no difference for me at all. I would use either one, whatever was avalible.

 

[LoneTree]

The standards for veterenary and human products are widely different.
Human products have to follow a very strict quality control.
If a cow dies from an injection, loss is only a few hundred dollars.
If there is a human death, it's a few million dollars.

How illogical is the statement that, even if you can afford it, you would prefer a veterenary product over a human quality drug? Don't you value your health and life?

If a product is not available for human use anywhere in the world, then isn't it likely that the product is not safe for human use? You can always find safer alternatives that does most of the job.

I don't want to look good in my coffin.

 

[Mavy]

lol .. you literally just flip a coin eh? First off, I definately wouldnt not consider all Mexi Labs to be created equal. QV does seem to have a cleaner rep, i dont here as much of people getting abscess from their gear as other mexi stuff, but I have never known anyone to get them from human grade gear.

Ok, another scenario for you (hypothetical, so no need to say .. "but its not", especially when most things mentioned here are).

So going by dosage and price then, like you mentoined above. Say for instance, a very reputable UG lab like British Dragon for example, has an Equipoise product at 400mg/ml. They have been tested for purity, and all prods are completely sterile and properly munufactured. Lets say they are also cheaper (which most UG labs actually are, maybe not BD, but most others). Now, ... would you take this over QV 200mg/ml EQ?

I am trying to see if this is really a price thing, or really a dosage thing for you ... or if you just like Mexi-gear?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

The standards for veterenary and human products are widely different.
Human products have to follow a very strict quality control.
If a cow dies from an injection, loss is only a few hundred dollars.
If there is a human death, it's a few million dollars.

How illogical is the statement that, even if you can afford it, you would prefer a veterenary product over a human quality drug? Don't you value your health and life?

If a product is not available for human use anywhere in the world, then isn't it likely that the product is not safe for human use? You can always find safer alternatives that does most of the job.

I don't want to look good in my coffin.

? Please go back and read the whole thread before making a sweeping generic statement like this.

The makers of Mexican "vet" steroids know their stuff is being used by humans, they have their products compounded in a lab that make "Human grade" pharmaceutical products.
The label with the Dog on it just means they pay less money to the government in product license fees.


LOL LOL @ "Look good in my coffin" I don't think anybody has ever died from using Veterinarian steroids or even steroids period! lol

 

[Big Rick Rock]

lol .. you literally just flip a coin eh? First off, I definately wouldnt not consider all Mexi Labs to be created equal. QV does seem to have a cleaner rep, i dont here as much of people getting abscess from their gear as other mexi stuff, but I have never known anyone to get them from human grade gear.

Ok, another scenario for you (hypothetical, so no need to say .. "but its not", especially when most things mentioned here are).

So going by dosage and price then, like you mentoined above. Say for instance, a very reputable UG lab like British Dragon for example, has an Equipoise product at 400mg/ml. They have been tested for purity, and all prods are completely sterile and properly munufactured. Lets say they are also cheaper (which most UG labs actually are, maybe not BD, but most others). Now, ... would you take this over QV 200mg/ml EQ?

I am trying to see if this is really a price thing, or really a dosage thing for you ... or if you just like Mexi-gear?

Good question,

If BD is making a 400mg EQ and they are having every batch tested for:

-Testing the Raw material for impurities.
-Potency.
-Bacteria Content.

And it all came back clean then I would definatly, without a doubt use BD @ 400mg over QV @ 200mg.


You have to understand, there is some type of regulation and government body looking over Mexican Vet labs. There is some guy somewhere incharge of making sure these products are well manufactured.

When you are talking about an illegal unregistered UG lab, there is no governing body or anybody to regulate them. There is no inspectors to see if their lab meet the minimum standars or using proper techniques, they have nobody to answer to. We have to leave it up to the UG lab to regulate itself, I just don't feel confortable with that at all...

 

[Mavy]

Again BRR .. I wouldnt compare all vet labs to be equall. There is a high quantity of BA in vet gear, which could be why people complain of pain all the time from it. And why more people get abscesses or infections from Mexi-gear? I dont know.

The makers of Mexican "vet" steroids know their stuff is being used by humans

Again, the makers of Mexican "vet" steroids know their stuff is being used by Cheap Americans!! .. Which I guess can be included as humans as well I guess. lol.

You seem to be the odd ball of the bunch BRR. I guess we should say that "99% of the steroid community" would opt for human grade if they werent saving bling somehow by buying Mexi-gear. Most of us would take human grade over vet if money werent an issue.

 

[Mavy]

I would definatly, without a doubt use BD @ 400mg over QV @ 200mg

Wow, .. i am surprised to here that from you! lol. I agree, there are less standards to be met from UG labs obviously.

For some reason, the only people I know personally who have had bad absesses both used Ttokkyo gear. i have not heard many reports of this type of thing from QV, thats why i say, I dont believe all labs to be equal whether mexi, HG or UG. But the "urban legend" of dirty mexi gear, does not stem from nothing. There have been bros fucked up from that stuff.

 

[LoneTree]

Higher quality control means higher production cost.
Safety is a relative term. The more safer you want your product to be, the more expensive it would be.
So QV does extra quality control just because of goodness of their heart? They cannot be sued if a human being gets an abscess or dies by using their product.
I am a professional who knows the drug approval process.
As a matter of standard, it may be acceptable for a few animals to die to make a product cheaper.
It would never be acceptable for a human product.
Abscess is a local infection from germs in the product. If, by bad luck, someone injects it into a vein or artery, then there may be a life threatening infection.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Again BRR .. I wouldnt compare all vet labs to be equall. There is a high quantity of BA in vet gear, which could be why people complain of pain all the time from it. And why more people get abscesses or infections from Mexi-gear? I dont know.



Again, the makers of Mexican "vet" steroids know their stuff is being used by Cheap Americans!! .. Which I guess can be included as humans as well I guess. lol.

You seem to be the odd ball of the bunch BRR. I guess we should say that "99% of the steroid community" would opt for human grade if they werent saving bling somehow by buying Mexi-gear. Most of us would take human grade over vet if money werent an issue.

Are more people really getting infections from vet gear? Do you have anything solid to back this up? A search on the archives maybe? Some people with more than 300 posts to back you up on this?

I have heard of guys gettin infected injection sites mostly from injecting the waterbased Winstrol, not just vet grade but human grade too.

Say what you want bro, the proof is in the puddin. There are thousands of people on this site using Mexican gear, probably more so that "Human Grade". A respected Vet of our community with no interest at all in QV, had their products tested by a lab and published his findings. Ulter found QV products to be of good quality.

Don't call me cheap for using Vet stuff bro, I don't want to pay less than I should but I definatly don't want to pay more than I have to.

 

[Mavy]

Well .. that makes sense, money is an issue for a lot of people. but (lets rephrase this), if most people, could get their gear for the same price as mexi-gear, all things being equal im sure that MOST people (i would guess high 90%) would opt for the stuff that health professionals use on medical patients. Sure maybe there are a few others who wouldnt. Lets not forget that dogs and cows, and horses DO actually use these steroids too.

Are people getting ripped off who spend more on HG over mexi? well maybe, i am sure you could have great cycles year after year with mexi stuff. But is it worth it to spend a little extra for human grade gear? Well to MANY it is. I think most people are paying a little more mainly for .... garantees, and piece of mind, and a quality product that is being used by thousands and thousands of people in the medical profession worldwide.