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ozzman69

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I have seen a few posts on here where kids have been talking and thinking about running gear so I'm going to post about my first time.....when i was 17 one of my coaches gave me a cycle and i thought it was great and after that i was hitting it all the time it was the worst thing i ever did and i hate him for that i have had problems with my test levels for years,my dick only half ass works unless i take viagra and I'm only 29 so my advice to all you kids wanting to use gear is DON'T your test levels are thru the roof right now so take advantage of that AAS should be the last thing on your mind. I didn't post everything that has happened to me but if anyone wants to know i would be more than glad too so if you have any questions feel free to ask away I'm sure there are dome other bros on here that have done the same thing or would tell you there experiences and i cant stress this enough NO AAS UNTIL AT LEAST 21 I WOULD WAIT TILL 23 BUT THAT'S JUST ME

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Should really wait till your 25.

That's about the time when frontal lobe development is complete. That's why car rental companies won't let people under 25 rent cars. If you don't understand this and don't know why frontal lobe development is important, you should use google to find out.
 
I understand why i went to college for physics,graduated and started driving a truck sad huh?

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Hell, I waited until 35...and I'm glad I did. I built a damn good base naturally, got settled in and married, and had all my kids before going near the shit.

It would be nice if more people did the same. I'm not saying everyone should wait until 35, but at least waiting until mid 20s minimum I think is a good plan
 
ceo said:
Should really wait till your 25.

That's about the time when frontal lobe development is complete. That's why car rental companies won't let people under 25 rent cars. If you don't understand this and don't know why frontal lobe development is important, you should use google to find out.
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yea but most people wont, if they are thinking about using at an early age.but i agree
 
hurricane said:
yea but most people wont, if they are thinking about using at an early age.but i agree
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Yeah and its sad i really wished i would have waited but i was young and dumb and wanted to be Dorian Yates and i have been paying for it ever since that's why i had to post this cause it sickens me seeing these kids wanting to juice when i see them at the gym i talk to them and scare them away from it i don't wish what I'm going thru on anyone

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stevesmi said:
you are correct.. the guys on here who have juiced in their teens now have low T in their 20's. its not good at all. not worth the risk vs. reward at all
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Very true, sad thing is we can't stop all of them but hopefully we can save a lot of them from messing their lives up

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I'll say it again, the longer you wait and build the best foundation possible the better off you will be when you go over to "the other Side".
Growing up i tried everything under the sun ,some of them i made great gains.
Cybergenics
Muscle Juice
Ultimate orange
to many to mention.
 
When i was 15 i started using prohormones 19-nor andro and then when M1T came out i started using it as well and then at 17 i a was given my first cycle if only i could go back and change things i would

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You can preach and preach but we all remember those days we were so anxious to start it made our toenails curl. The "What If's" and "Can't Waits". It's all well warranted. But here's my advice, your first cycle is the MOST important basic foundation to build a platform, don't risk your gains by being impulsive. When you feel like your body is ready, wait 3 years an do the research of how different compounds affect different people. There are so many different AS available now days you just can't absorb it all in months or even a year. At least three full years of research and I bet you'll be way more than the weekend warrior. You'll learn and respect how you can maximize the effects withdvery simple techniques and disciplines.

All the best in your journey young comers but using these types of forums is certainly where you can get the best knowledge and experiences from real users. I'm open to any criticism or inquisitions.
 
Tiggerizme if there were way to like your post i would couldn't have said it better myself
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Ozzman as a veteran please feel free to make your opinion known when you see a kid posting about cycling b4he's ready....I agree with at least 25...

Remember it's a mental thing as well as physical
 
its like giving a 16 year old a ferrari for their first car.

my first car was a hyundai and if i ever have a kid his first car will be a POS too. you give a kid a ferrari and the next thing you know a cop is knocking on your door cause the kid ran it into a tree. he isn't ready yet for that. nor is a 20 year old either .. too immature
 
My first car was a 69 camaro me and my uncle built but i grew up with power and muscle cars lol

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I ran my 1st cycle at 23. I thought I was mature.. I hate myself for that now. I wasnt an arrogant douchebag but I wasnt as mature as I am now.. and I'm sure in 5 years I'll hate myself now

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I am 45 am feel like this is the PERFECT time for me. Had my kids, shit don't work anyway, and feel like I have a good 10-20 years of working out and juicing ahead of me.
 
ozzman69 said:
My first car was a 69 camaro me and my uncle built but i grew up with power and muscle cars lol

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that hyundai was a beast lol. the first week i had it i was driving with a buddy of mine and drove it into a ditch. luckily me and him worked together to get it out of there and my dad never found out. not sure how he did it but he pushed and i drove and we got it out, so i promised him free lunch the rest of the semester for helping me out
 
Lol i had a 78 pontiac Phoenix with a 383 stroker and i just put rims on it and my friend jeremy was suppose to tighten the lugs up and me a jake lost my front driver side wheel at 90 lol i was like wow that looks like my rims and BAM! the dropped and we rode on the rotor for half a mile till we made it in my driveway lug studs were shot and the rim got bent but at least we were ok

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Txwarnerve said:
Hell I know guys fresh outta high school doing coke. And your worded about aas? C'mon get a break.
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That's bad too and destroys lives....have you ever done AAS? i have and I'm trying to help these kids not make the same mistakes i did at that age...i still take em but i wish i would have started later in life cause my test levels are that of a 12 year old girl i have to take test boosters and andro gel just to have normal T levels. I can't have kids which has ruined a few good relationships like i said before my dick only half ass works and i have to have to have blood tests dpne regularly so give you a break my ass....besides like it was said before we can't stop them but we can give them the knowledge they need so they will know what happens to them at a young age.....not trying to be a dick

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Txwarnerve said:
I just think about Arnold, jay, lee priest, to name a few who all starts young and look at what they achieved
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True but who knows health wise what they are are going through cause i wanted to be like Dorian Yates that's why i started young and I'm kicking my own ass

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I still think 23-25 is a good age to start


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And the problem is most guys of that age think "I'm different, I'm the 0.1%...I have the genetics...I have the drive!"
Its part of the whole 'won't happen to me' complex that comes with not having fully developed frontal lobes....I know cuz I've been that guy, as I'm sure a lot of us here have been.
So while we won't be able to stop everybody from doing stupid shit, hopefully we can stop a few.
 
the thing is, you don't see guys posting on here that they did gear in their teens and f'ed themselves up b/c they will never know if they were supposed to grow a few more inches or you won't hear an 18 y/o bragging about blowing-out his pec/bi b/c he was lifting way over what his tendons/ligaments could handle.

The problem is the guys who have really adopted the BB lifestyle--it's the kid who want some miraculous gains for Spring Break (tons of gear + copious tequila) and wind-up looking yellower than Bart Simpson.
 
ozzman69 said:
Yep I'm part of the 99.9% lol

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the chances of being on the Mr Olympia stage are less than a high school QB making it in the NFL. I don't care how early you start throwing a football, its not gonna make a difference. Tom Brady made it because the Pats starting QB went down to an injury, if not for that he might not even be in the NFL today. Kurt Warner was bagging groceries and somehow found himself a starting NFL qb cause of a fluke injury in preseason to Green, he then led his team to the super bowl that very year. you need genetics, luck, an opportunity and a lot more. Warren Moon didn't even get a shot in the nfl cause of the color of the skin and he was perhaps the best pure passer in nfl history. so not even genetics will get you there in all situations. and then there was a QB for the Benglas i think in the 70's who was highly touted, the dude could have been the best ever.. but he took a hit and hurt his shoulder. they go in for surgery and fucked him up more and he was never the same after that. so now if you have the opportunity, have the genetics, you still have to avoid Mr. Injury. its like the odds are overcoming all that are 1 in a billion

any teen hoping to be on the Mr Olympia stage, play in the NBA or NFL had better have a backup plan. a very realistic back up plan
 
stevesmi said:
the chances of being on the Mr Olympia stage are less than a high school QB making it in the NFL. I don't care how early you start throwing a football, its not gonna make a difference. Tom Brady made it because the Pats starting QB went down to an injury, if not for that he might not even be in the NFL today. Kurt Warner was bagging groceries and somehow found himself a starting NFL qb cause of a fluke injury in preseason to Green, he then led his team to the super bowl that very year. you need genetics, luck, an opportunity and a lot more. Warren Moon didn't even get a shot in the nfl cause of the color of the skin and he was perhaps the best pure passer in nfl history. so not even genetics will get you there in all situations. and then there was a QB for the Benglas i think in the 70's who was highly touted, the dude could have been the best ever.. but he took a hit and hurt his shoulder. they go in for surgery and fucked him up more and he was never the same after that. so now if you have the opportunity, have the genetics, you still have to avoid Mr. Injury. its like the odds are overcoming all that are 1 in a billion

any teen hoping to be on the Mr Olympia stage, play in the NBA or NFL had better have a backup plan. a very realistic back up plan
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THIS!!!! This needs to be emphasized so much! Study something useful, learn a trade....something so you can support yourself, your (maybe?) future family, and support your bodybuilding lifestyle. Then you can do it, and enjoy it for years!

Not to discourage anybody....aim for the stars! but still plan for life.
 
Ox-Sandra-Loan said:
THIS!!!! This needs to be emphasized so much! Study something useful, learn a trade....something so you can support yourself, your (maybe?) future family, and support your bodybuilding lifestyle. Then you can do it, and enjoy it for years!

Not to discourage anybody....aim for the stars! but still plan for life.
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Very true I can't stress it enough not everyone is going to be a pro bodybuilder and using gear at a young age is not the way to go i found out the hard way and i hope the young guys on this forum read this and take all the knowledge that's here to stay away for a long time because its not worth the risk

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hurricane said:
yea but most people wont, if they are thinking about using at an early age.but i agree
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Exactly! The majority of people will not wait until a certain age to use roids (which is up for debate when to start anyway), so I say educate them instead of spewing out unsolicited commentary about the adverse effects of early steroid use, which usually falls on deaf ears.

We might be able to salvage some of the wreckage if we educate people how to properly use roids (if there is such a thing?) Goddamn kids these days :).
 
started at 19, no problem with that, and i'll stay on for life plus i plan on competing in powerlifting/strongman later. however there are guys who legitimately screw it up and those are the guys who are still up at 3 am, get smashed every weekend and eat car oil then call it a meal. see where i'm going?

i know two guys who started at 16 and are now 19. no problem with them

most of the time an already damaged hpta is the cause of the screw up
 
motionx77 said:
started at 19, no problem with that, and i'll stay on for life plus i plan on competing in powerlifting/strongman later. however there are guys who legitimately screw it up and those are the guys who are still up at 3 am, get smashed every weekend and eat car oil then call it a meal. see where i'm going?

i know two guys who started at 16 and are now 19. no problem with them

most of the time an already damaged hpta is the cause of the screw up
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What age are you now

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RickRock13 said:
Hell, Just start putting Winny in their bottles at birth...lol
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Don't you know winny stacked with similac has an excellent synergistic effect for building muscles fast during the infancy stage? Yeah, studies have shown that babies who were fed winny mixed in similac were able to roll over in 1 month, which that usually occurs during the 3-6 month period of infancy :).
 
motionx77 said:
started at 19, no problem with that, and i'll stay on for life plus i plan on competing in powerlifting/strongman later. however there are guys who legitimately screw it up and those are the guys who are still up at 3 am, get smashed every weekend and eat car oil then call it a meal. see where i'm going?

i know two guys who started at 16 and are now 19. no problem with them

most of the time an already damaged hpta is the cause of the screw up
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you sound underage yourself, give me a break. what are you doing hanging out with 19 year olds if you aren't a teen yourself.

so you know 2 teens who have no problems, how in the world would you know if they had any problems? one of the most naive posts I've seen in a long time.

you don't even fully mature until your mid 20's.. your hormones build up and change throughout your teen years.. you have to allow things to develop without interference. running hormones can screw you up long term and you wouldn't know you are screwed until you attempted to recover.. now you can claim things went okay all you want but only bloodwork can confirm that and even then we still don't know what kind of long term damage you made. just assuming things are fine because your 'friends' go around fucking drunk chicks in college means nothing
 
stevesmi said:
so you know 2 teens who have no problems, how in the world would you know if they had any problems?
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maybe because we talk freely about subjects way more sensitive than fucking AAS? does childhood friends mean anything to you?

nice theory you have there. too bad it didn't work like that in real life.
and i don't see any logic in running bloodwork if you don't feel anything.
of course if you feel bloated and have a nice new rack then your estrogen is through the roof and bloodwork will confirm that. or if you feel like your liver is going to explode.
there's no point in running bloodwork if nothing even feels wrong, the way you feel hints what might be wrong. that's like taking headache pills out of boredom, i don't see how bloodwork can confirm something with no symptoms, at least symptoms related to AAS
you just seem to throw shit at anyone who does not agree with you and proves you wrong

and i'll stay on for life
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i think you missed that part
 
motionx77 said:
maybe because we talk freely about subjects way more sensitive than fucking AAS? does childhood friends mean anything to you?

nice theory you have there. too bad it didn't work like that in real life.
and i don't see any logic in running bloodwork if you don't feel anything.
of course if you feel bloated and have a nice new rack then your estrogen is through the roof and bloodwork will confirm that. or if you feel like your liver is going to explode.
there's no point in running bloodwork if nothing even feels wrong, the way you feel hints what might be wrong. that's like taking headache pills out of boredom, i don't see how bloodwork can confirm something with no symptoms, at least symptoms related to AAS
you just seem to throw shit at anyone who does not agree with you and proves you wrong
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all i've seen you do is post horrible advice and attack everyone else who disagrees. plus you are underage and keep dodging the question. give me a reason why i shouldn't ban you? when someone becomes more trouble than their worth its time for them to go. i would take a chill pill and fix your attitude. you are only 19 and you don't know shit yet to be telling staff and board vets that they are full of shit. kids your age you are going through the "i know everything" stage where you think you know it all but don't know anything. we all went through it.
 
motionx77 said:
maybe because we talk freely about subjects way more sensitive than fucking AAS? does childhood friends mean anything to you?

nice theory you have there. too bad it didn't work like that in real life.
and i don't see any logic in running bloodwork if you don't feel anything.
of course if you feel bloated and have a nice new rack then your estrogen is through the roof and bloodwork will confirm that. or if you feel like your liver is going to explode.
there's no point in running bloodwork if nothing even feels wrong, the way you feel hints what might be wrong. that's like taking headache pills out of boredom, i don't see how bloodwork can confirm something with no symptoms, at least symptoms related to AAS
you just seem to throw shit at anyone who does not agree with you and proves you wrong


i think you missed that part
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congrats, for the time ive been here I have to give you the biggest waste of skin award
 
Txwarnerve said:
I just think about Arnold, jay, lee priest, to name a few who all starts young and look at what they achieved
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The pros all have elite genetics too. Most IFBB pros still have to work to support themselves. Lol @ living the dream. There are 400 or so pros, out of 7 billion people. Joe many EF'ers do you think have a chance at turning pro? How many do you think even want to? Most kids wanting to do steroids are just lazy and want a short cut instead of putting in hard work. We live in a society of instant gratification.
 
ledhead said:
Don't you know winny stacked with similac has an excellent synergistic effect for building muscles fast during the infancy stage? Yeah, studies have shown that babies who were fed winny mixed in similac were able to roll over in 1 month, which that usually occurs during the 3-6 month period of infancy :).
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Maybe that explains why my two year old can bench press his power wheels 4x4. I was on some high androgens when he was conceived, so its safe to say my strongest swimmer was on roids
 
motionx77 said:
maybe because we talk freely about subjects way more sensitive than fucking AAS? does childhood friends mean anything to you?

nice theory you have there. too bad it didn't work like that in real life.
and i don't see any logic in running bloodwork if you don't feel anything.
of course if you feel bloated and have a nice new rack then your estrogen is through the roof and bloodwork will confirm that. or if you feel like your liver is going to explode.
there's no point in running bloodwork if nothing even feels wrong, the way you feel hints what might be wrong. that's like taking headache pills out of boredom, i don't see how bloodwork can confirm something with no symptoms, at least symptoms related to AAS
you just seem to throw shit at anyone who does not agree with you and proves you wrong


i think you missed that part
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Sometimes propel don't even know they have cancer until they get so sick they have to go in to the doctor. Then the get blood drawn and scans done an find out they are stage 4 and have maybe a year to live.

Perhaps if they would have had regular check ups they may have discovered something sooner if blood work had been done.

Shit like that happens all the time. You're young and dumb though. You think you know it all because you read anabolics 10th edition and follow gh15. How's Nasser doing now? Oh wait...

Nasser was a good guy. But he would talk about how you know you are using enough tren when you start pissing blood, and other crazy shit. Nice guy though. Terrible loss.
 
ozzman69 said:
I have seen a few posts on here where kids have been talking and thinking about running gear so I'm going to post about my first time.....when i was 17 one of my coaches gave me a cycle and i thought it was great and after that i was hitting it all the time it was the worst thing i ever did and i hate him for that i have had problems with my test levels for years,my dick only half ass works unless i take viagra and I'm only 29 so my advice to all you kids wanting to use gear is DON'T your test levels are thru the roof right now so take advantage of that AAS should be the last thing on your mind. I didn't post everything that has happened to me but if anyone wants to know i would be more than glad too so if you have any questions feel free to ask away I'm sure there are dome other bros on here that have done the same thing or would tell you there experiences and i cant stress this enough NO AAS UNTIL AT LEAST 21 I WOULD WAIT TILL 23 BUT THAT'S JUST ME

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Unfortunately kids of that age don't realize how high their test levels are until its gone lol. Looking back on how easy it was for me to get big and lean and stay that way I'm amazed at how pumped full of test I was.

Good post though, I know its hard, but gotta stay off of it until later.

The best thing that ever happened to me was getting scammed out of a large deal of money by a guy preying on young kids offering them juice. Had he been legitimate I might be seriously fucked up hormonally right now. I'd give that scamming asshole a big bearhug if I ever saw him again :)
 
stevesmi said:
all i've seen you do is post horrible advice and attack everyone else who disagrees. plus you are underage and keep dodging the question. give me a reason why i shouldn't ban you? when someone becomes more trouble than their worth its time for them to go. i would take a chill pill and fix your attitude. you are only 19 and you don't know shit yet to be telling staff and board vets that they are full of shit. kids your age you are going through the "i know everything" stage where you think you know it all but don't know anything. we all went through it.
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you've seen me give my best advice from how it worked for me in the real world. i don't come and vomit popular theories that everyone believes in just because others said so. i don't advocate something that i did not see with my own eyes. there's a very big diffrence between theory on AAS and how it works when you take them. there are tons, millions of articles that contradict each other to the letter. what can teach you better than actually doing it? (yes responsably, before you ask)

and when i talk about young people taking gear i talk about the guys who will still do it in 10 years time. the two guys i mentioned who took gear at 16 are now outlifting everyone i know at their bodyweight and one of them is doing his first competition soon, and everyone can tell he's taking straight 1st place. the guy has never skipped a meal and has never half-assed a training session. they pretty much live their dream and they have no plans of coming off. (and if the career ends, there is trt)

it's beyond obvious that the guys looking to get some bigger arms and abs for the beach have no business taking gear an i asume the people who read here are not like i mentioned in this paragaph, at least i hope. i myself eat 9 meals per day and train 4 times per week (5 if i can recover in time) plus conditioning plus mobility. i don't remember when i touched alcohol the last time (maybe when i was 15? around that time). or when i had less than 7-8 hours of sleep. or when i walked out of the gym not breathing heavy and walking easily. in the next year or two i plan to participate in a local strongman competition. i like to believe i'm pretty fucking serious about this thing otherwise i would just chill and eat pizza on the couch with my friends and goof around at 3AM piss drunk. even if i don't get to turn pro it is still one of the best experiences i have or will have. this is the big picture

there are many posts here written by people pushing their own products and the minute you argue about it they blow up and start throwing shit at you
the irony is that even you have that last link in your sig while arguing about the importance of bloodwork. all i do is i keep my estrogen low enough to not get gyno and take one thing at a time so i don't end up with high blood pressure or tren anxiety without knowing why (it doesn't take more than common sense to achieve these).
and that's what i tell everyone to do: think for themselves and take more than one opinion into account.


ceo said:
Sometimes propel don't even know they have cancer until they get so sick they have to go in to the doctor. Then the get blood drawn and scans done an find out they are stage 4 and have maybe a year to live.

Perhaps if they would have had regular check ups they may have discovered something sooner if blood work had been done.

Shit like that happens all the time. You're young and dumb though. You think you know it all because you read anabolics 10th edition and follow gh15. How's Nasser doing now? Oh wait...

Nasser was a good guy. But he would talk about how you know you are using enough tren when you start pissing blood, and other crazy shit. Nice guy though. Terrible loss.
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i said related to AAS. it's beyond obvious that cancer is a completely other thing. i haven't read anabolics 10th edition from a to z. i see it describes all the compounds which is good to know for anyone. and i don't know much about nasser other than the fact that remained on high dosages of gear even after he quit bodybuilding. and i didn't see anything wrong or that did not work well for me in gh15's pocket bible. it's a good read for anyone interested in more than "putting some weight on"
 
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motionx77 said:
you've seen me give my best advice from how it worked for me in the real world. i don't come and vomit popular theories that everyone believes in just because others said so. i don't advocate something that i did not see with my own eyes. there's a very big diffrence between theory on AAS and how it works when you take them. there are tons, millions of articles that contradict each other to the letter. what can teach you better than actually doing it? (yes responsably, before you ask)

and when i talk about young people taking gear i talk about the guys who will still do it in 10 years time. the two guys i mentioned who took gear at 16 are now outlifting everyone i know at their bodyweight and one of them is doing his first competition soon, and everyone can tell he's taking straight 1st place. the guy has never skipped a meal and has never half-assed a training session. they pretty much live their dream and they have no plans of coming off. (and if the career ends, there is trt)

it's beyond obvious that the guys looking to get some bigger arms and abs for the beach have no business taking gear an i asume the people who read here are not like i mentioned in this paragaph, at least i hope. i myself eat 9 meals per day and train 4 times per week (5 if i can recover in time) plus conditioning plus mobility. i don't remember when i touched alcohol the last time (maybe when i was 15? around that time). or when i had less than 7-8 hours of sleep. or when i walked out of the gym not breathing heavy and walking easily. in the next year or two i plan to participate in a local strongman competition. i like to believe i'm pretty fucking serious about this thing otherwise i would just chill and eat pizza on the couch with my friends and goof around at 3AM piss drunk. even if i don't get to turn pro it is still one of the best experiences i have or will have. this is the big picture

there are many posts here written by people pushing their own products and the minute you argue about it they blow up and start throwing shit at you
the irony is that even you have that last link in your sig while arguing about the importance of bloodwork. all i do is i keep my estrogen low enough to not get gyno and take one thing at a time so i don't end up with high blood pressure or tren anxiety without knowing why (it doesn't take more than common sense to achieve these).
and that's what i tell everyone to do: think for themselves and take more than one opinion into account.




i said related to AAS. it's beyond obvious that cancer is a completely other thing. i haven't read anabolics 10th edition from a to z. i see it describes all the compounds which is good to know for anyone. and i don't know much about nasser other than the fact that remained on high dosages of gear even after he quit bodybuilding. and i didn't see anything wrong or that did not work well for me in gh15's pocket bible. it's a good read for anyone interested in more than "putting some weight on"
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Sounds like a good plan; juice young and fuck up your hormone levels so that you can win a few junior lifting comps against a bunch of nattys (*slow clap*), never go off until you get injured or retire, and then just piss away your healthcare money on TRT for the rest of your life. Works great if you piss money. What if something happens and you lose your job? Or more likely, your parents stop giving you money for your roids? Or god forbid you get arrested and imprisoned for buying juice, or something else for that matter? You're fucked, that's what happens.

You're right, some of the big name bodybuilders and powerlifters started juicing at very young ages and never came off until their career came to a close. While their career was in its peak it worked out great for them, afterwards, not so much. Even just on the surface they look like total shit once they can't work at that same caliber anymore, but that's not even the bad side effects. These guys can face serious depression, infertility, lifelong irreversible lethargy, serious cardiac and liver malfunction, etc., etc. once they can't juice any more. All of which could have been avoided by waiting to juice until they were of a proper age.

You're going to do what you're going to do and nothing anyone can say can stop you, that's how young guys are (I would know, I am one). You've got to find out from experience how things work. If everything goes according to your plans, you have the potential to be alright for the foreseeable future. But if you haven't learned by now that life doesn't give a shit about you pristine plans, you will soon.
 
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