I finally got TRT! But I have a question

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Actually the reason I came to EF to begin with was because my husband needed HRT, I wanted to educate myself because it's not his bag. He's never lifted a weight other than for work purposes and he's not into the physical vanity thing. I'd love to get him to exercise but it ain't happening.

Now both he and I are on HRT. He started HRT back in 2006 when he was 52. His levels were in the 200s, which actually was within "normal" range but I requested the results be sent home. His family doctor wanted to put him on an antidepressant. I sent him to another doctor for HRT. The bitch that saw me for my gyn exam wasn't going to put me on therapy either, but I had another doctor lined up who gets it.

My point is, you did this to yourself, and not trying to UNdo it is crazy. If you haven't cleared your system for six months and given yourself time to reboot then you're not giving it a fair shot. Once you start this path you're done, you're committed. Your testes will atrophy after a few months and then there won't be anything you can do. You think you're done having kids at 24, I'm telling you, shit can change. I would have given anything if my husband hadn't had a vasectomy before I met him. At the time reversals were cutting edge technology and way too expensive, too late now.

And uh, no, no reputable doctor is going to put you on 800 mg a week. Ever. A normal dose is 100 to 200 MAX. If you try to "tweak" things so they bump you they're going to realize that you're full of crap if you don't respond after 200 mg. That's why you've been put on single dose vials, the doctor doesn't trust you. When my husband was prescribed injections he got a full sized 10 mg vial.

Face it, you LOOK like you do/have done roids, do you really think any doctor is going to prescribe unlimited shit to you, at your age? Seriously? I thought you had half a brain, at least.

Seriously what gives you the right to come in and start bashing someone else on their life choices ????. He started this thread for insight and helpful knowledge not to be criticised, or called stupid. Especially when you aren't even understanding what is been talked about..of course he isn't trying to get 800 mg of test a week

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[musclemom]

Seriously what gives you the right to come in and start bashing someone else on their life choices ????. He started this thread for insight and helpful knowledge not to be criticised, or called stupid. Especially when you aren't even understanding what is been talked about..of course he isn't trying to get 800 mg of test a week you idiot!!!

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Honey, check out how long I've been a member of this board. I've known Glad a whole lot longer than you have. He was warned, years ago, warned by many, many people he was playing with fire. The normal testosterone levels of a 21 year old male weren't enough for him three years ago. Normal levels are never enough for him.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, again, I've been dealing with my husband's HRT for years now. If I'd listened to "doctors" I'd be in a sexless marriage to a 60 year old on antidepressants.

 

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Honey, check out how long I've been a member of this board. I've known Glad a whole lot longer than you have. He was warned, years ago, warned by many, many people he was playing with fire. The normal testosterone levels of a 21 year old male weren't enough for him three years ago. Normal levels are never enough for him.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, again, I've been dealing with my husband's HRT for years now. If I'd listened to "doctors" I'd be in a sexless marriage to a 60 year old on antidepressants.

So why the fuck are you whining on about 800mg per week of testosterone? When hes clearly talking about his test levels?

 

[musclemom]

So why the fuck are you whining on about 800mg per week of testosterone? When hes clearly talking about his test levels?
Seeing as your Glad's long time pal and the upmost authority on TRT, what with your husband being on it and that automatically making you an endo what would you suggest Doc? Lmao

I'm no expert, not by a long shot, but he's throwing in the towel when he's still young enough to have even the smallest chance to restart his system and he's not trying. He just throws more and more chemicals into his system. It's great when you're 24 and think you're invincible. Things get far more interesting when you enter your 40s and 50s. There's a lot more involved with the male endocrine system than just testosterone. A host of potential chronic health conditions can come from imbalanced hormones and NOTHING you can get from a pharmacy is as good as what nature makes.

Frankly, if I were Glad I'd suck it up and gut out the worlds longest medically supervised PCT, coupled with a healthy diet. Deal with the depression and lack of sex drive and just give my body a chance to recover, six months minimum. That's too hard for him.

And maybe I misread Glad's post, if so, my bad. I can tell you (and him) that my husband's total test levels are usually over 1000 within five days of his 1.00+/- ml shot (sometimes he overdraws so it might be as much as 1.5) and his free test is always over 20. My big concern has actually been estradiol. I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Honestly, I'm sorry to see the boy fucked his body up. My husband and I would give anything to have our own natural hormone production, but we're frigging OLD. He's just a kid and has no appreciation for what he's losing.

 

[Anabolic chest]

I'm no expert, not by a long shot, but he's throwing in the towel when he's still young enough to have even the smallest chance to restart his system and he's not trying. He just throws more and more chemicals into his system. It's great when you're 24 and think you're invincible. Things get far more interesting when you enter your 40s and 50s. There's a lot more involved with the male endocrine system than just testosterone. A host of potential chronic health conditions can come from imbalanced hormones and NOTHING you can get from a pharmacy is as good as what nature makes.

Frankly, if I were Glad I'd suck it up and gut out the worlds longest medically supervised PCT, coupled with a healthy diet. Deal with the depression and lack of sex drive and just give my body a chance to recover, six months minimum. That's too hard for him.

And maybe I misread Glad's post, if so, my bad. I can tell you (and him) that my husband's total test levels are usually over 1000 within five days of his 1.00+/- ml shot (sometimes he overdraws so it might be as much as 1.5) and his free test is always over 20. My big concern has actually been estradiol. I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Honestly, I'm sorry to see the boy fucked his body up. My husband and I would give anything to have our own natural hormone production, but we're frigging OLD. He's just a kid and has no appreciation for what he's losing.

You just came across as a sarcastic arsehole in your original posts that's all. Wasn't really any need IMO

 

[Zyglamail]

I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Most guys on 500mg test/week arent taking enough adex if you ask me, they are all just scared of reducing gains, which is BS in my book, its all just bloat from excess E.

ive been on hrt for 3 years with test levels around the 900-1000 mark and have been successful on 1mg adex 2x a week and is an frequently prescribed starting point. Since everyone responds to T supplementation and adex a little different its tweaked from there.

1mg adex everyday for hrt doses is just plain silly.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I was off for a while, more than 6 months, and clomid and HCGenerate didnt work. I figured I al,ready fucked myself up and I admit that, but those were my choices. Some people get into drugs that I never got into, like meth or coke or ecstasy or shrooms or acid, i just happened to choose prohormones and a couple cycles.

and the reason I got individual vials was because im getting a blood test soon, before I would run out of a 10ml vial, so theres no point in giving me more if he thinks it isnt doing anything. He said come back in 6-8 weeks. Im doing 100mg a week and I got 6 200mg vials. So he gave me enough for 12 weeks...

 

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I would just do what the doctor says especially just first starting out with hrt. pretty important to know what your base levels are. I was thinking maybe asking your doctor about hcg therapy to try to restart your hpta. you can get your test levels pretty high doing that.

 

[reeves zane]

You just came across as a sarcastic arsehole in your original posts that's all. Wasn't really any need IMO

Musclemon comes across as far more knowledgeable than u.there is just so much broscience and abuse of steroids ,people take 5 times what they should responsibly take and yet still complain it isn't enough and often it's such people who are advising others.there is a stronghold of the blind leading the blind in gear forums.it doesn't help that regular doctors are mostly more ignorant so we come on here to help each other.Musclemon did that with sound advice.

I think gladiator probably has deppression issues and just blames it on a perceived lack of test in his system.trust me I was on finesteride for 5 months that kills your natural sex drive like nothing but I got by only had sex three times a week.didn't get my us
ual insane drive which US natural even tho I'm in my late 30s but I got by.

 

[stevesmi]

wow I just came across this thread.

muscle mom is 90% right.. yeah she came off 'mean' boo hoo but the truth hurts sometimes.

hopefully all you young kids reading this learn from glads mistake. no reason to touch hormones at 16 EVER unless you want to go on HRT in your early 20's.

and I am 100% certain his HPTA is fucked for life because of that abuse.. the younger you juice the faster you will have to go on HRT. i know its not the politically correct thing to say but its true most of the time. this is why we have a rule on EF about giving advice to kids. if i had it my way it would be 25+.. no reason for even a 23 year old to use hormones either..

there is a chance he could of came back but it would of taken a lot of patience. burnthiscorpse abused roids at a young age too.. and then stayed on for a year straight.. and he was able to recover with a natural pct .. look up his thread. glad should have tried this before resorting to HRT.

also HRT does not fix your life problems always. low libido involves a lot more than low T. that could be one issue among many causing a problem. there is a good chance he would be on HRT for a few months and the problems will slowly come back again. or he could get tired of injecting himself every week forever and decide to stop.

I view this as taking care of your teeth. you can fail to brush, floss, go to the dentist to get cleaned etc. then one day decide to pull your teeth and get fake ones put in.. but guess what? even fake teeth have to be cared for so you end up back to the same place.

just because you go on HRT doesn't mean you still have to have a solid diet, exercise, run short blast pct's, run natty supps, etc etc.