I finally got TRT! But I have a question

[the.gladiator1987]

So my testosterone level was 262, so I emailed my doctor and he basically said he would put me on testosterone. SO I saw him and told him the symptoms (no sex drive, no energy, minor depression, lack of motivation for anything) and he prescribed me to be on Test Cypionate, 200mg every 2 weeks. I mentioned that I read that every week is better but he pretty much just blew it off and said they usually do every 2 weeks.

He ordered a blood test for me to do in 6 weeks in between shots. He said nothing of HCG, or arimidex, or testing for estrogen or anything else besides blood count and testosterone.

Anyway, Im stoked to be on HRT as I really do need it. But I know that every 2 weeks is going to be an emotional roller coaster for me. I have some extra test laying around and I am wondering if I should inject some in between my regular shots so Im not in such a roller coaster? Or should I just do what he prescribed for the next 6 weeks and wait for the blood test to come back. I wouldnt have a problem self medicating an extra 100-200mg a week on the weeks I dont have any shots. I have heard horror stories of people getting 2x a month or even 1x a month!

Any ideas on what I should do? I already feel better and its only been 10 hours lol

 

[bengeten]

You need to Wait until you can delfinal med. I your test comes back to High he will like you Said, lower your dose until you hit The mark


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[super-duty1]

Are you giving yourself the shots or is he?

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[Zyglamail]

Is it an hrt doc or a general doc? Either way I would straight up ask him what his approach is and where he would feel comfortable getting your T up to. Most HRT docs have experience with dozens if not hundred of male patients and know that if your >40 mid lab range test levels generally dont do away with all the sides we feel from low T so your going to want to be high lab range. If he comes out and tells you middle lab range then expect challenges. The fact he didnt mention an AI or checking estrogen I have a feeling he is a regular doc looking for mid lab range.

If your going to stick with him I would follow his lead to the T until he gets the point where HE says things are good. If you dont know his game plan and dont follow what he says you may shoot yourself in the foot. When he feels he is done finding where he wants you and your arent feeling good then you have to chose to find a new doc (HRT preferred) or supplement what he is giving you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Standard is 100-200 mgs once a week. Anything other than that is not a proper HRT.

You may want to use a little a-dex, UNLEASHED and HCg once a month to prevent atrophy but those are things you'll have to get on your own.

 

[billfred]

I would split that dose up to 100mg every week.

 

[Sherk]

Nelson hit it. Some docs want to see where you stand before adding in AI's and HCG. Mine did. He set me up on 100mg ew for 6 weeks then went back for bloods. I was still low for both of our standards so he raised it to 200mg ew. Went back 7 weeks later and I was right where we both had agreed upon me being. He then proscribed me adex but my ins wouldn't allow HCG so I told him I can get that on my own. I went in every 6 weeks for about 7 months I believe and then switched to every 6 months once he knew I was dialed in and set.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Im giving myself the shots, I picked everything up from the pharmacy. The only thing that sucks is that they are 1ml vials, not a 10ml vial, but I guess I could still split up the injections to 100mg 1x/week. He is a general Doc, but was still really cool about everything. he seemed to understand that I needed test. In about 6 weeks I have another blood test to check for blood count and total testosterone. He said if I dont feel better from this then he would get me on anti-depressants, but I know I dont need those.

I will stick to what he is saying, but do 100mg 1x/week instead of 200mg 2x/week. That way I wont be on a roller coaster.

Hey Sherk, when you were still low and he bumped up the doses, did you say you felt good or did you say you still didnt really feel it?

 

[super-duty1]

1ml vials. What brand is it you can pm me if you want. I started off on the 10ml vial of a brand and insurance made me switch to 1ml vials and it was a different brand and not nearly as good as the brand that was in the 10ml vial. So i had my doc write my script brand specific so they had to pay for the 10ml vial.

If he is a male doc he will understand, mine let's me hang around 800-900 and I take 200mg ew.

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[the.gladiator1987]

1ml vials. What brand is it you can pm me if you want. I started off on the 10ml vial of a brand and insurance made me switch to 1ml vials and it was a different brand and not nearly as good as the brand that was in the 10ml vial. So i had my doc write my script brand specific so they had to pay for the 10ml vial.

If he is a male doc he will understand, mine let's me hang around 800-900 and I take 200mg ew.

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It is Paddock Laboratories. I think the pharamcist told me that there was a 10ml vial in this one, I think he only ordered the 1ml vials for now since he was going to take me off completely if I didnt feel better. but once I tell him I feel better in 6 weeks, Im sure he will order the 10ml vials from now on.

Damn I wish he bumps it up to 800-900 a week. Well see how I feel though. But I would definitely like to be at the upper range of normal and I dont think 200mg 2x a week will get me there.

 

[Sherk]

Im giving myself the shots, I picked everything up from the pharmacy. The only thing that sucks is that they are 1ml vials, not a 10ml vial, but I guess I could still split up the injections to 100mg 1x/week. He is a general Doc, but was still really cool about everything. he seemed to understand that I needed test. In about 6 weeks I have another blood test to check for blood count and total testosterone. He said if I dont feel better from this then he would get me on anti-depressants, but I know I dont need those.

I will stick to what he is saying, but do 100mg 1x/week instead of 200mg 2x/week. That way I wont be on a roller coaster.

Hey Sherk, when you were still low and he bumped up the doses, did you say you felt good or did you say you still didnt really feel it?

He told me I'm in range but in the low side of mid range. When we initially talked he agreed to get me to the high side of normal because of my activity level and age. But I did tell him I felt no different.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

He told me I'm in range but in the low side of mid range. When we initially talked he agreed to get me to the high side of normal because of my activity level and age. But I did tell him I felt no different.

Ok so I should probably say I feel no different if its on the low end or even midlevel range of normal...I think at 24 I should be on the high side too, especially with 2 kids and the amount of physical labor my job entails

 

[super-duty1]

I did not like paddock brand. I use Watson now and like it much better. It only comes in 10ml. When insurance made me switch to paddock about 4 weeks in libido dropped and started to fell like I had low T again. That could be just me tho but I did Google paddock vs Watson and there was a little bit on it.

You can find charts where a 24 yo t level should be. Like I said a male doc will have a little more companion for the most part. He will ask and if your still feeling larthigic tell him. He may work with you.

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[surfx]

I wouldnt screw around, do what the doctor says and see how the bloods are. if its still low he would probably prescribe you more

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Thanks guys. I will tell him to switch me to 10ml once im done with what he gave me. I am not gonna screw with anything until after my next blood test, if ever. I guess I was confused because I thought I would see him first and THEN do a blood test, but it looks like ill do a blood test first, see the results, and be able to tell him i still dont feel the full effect, but definite improvement. I guess my levels should be in the 600's. And i was at 262 when I started lmao.

I will keep u guys updated, thanks for the responses

oh and as far as paddock, ive honestly felt a lot better since i took the first injection. I didnt realize it would hit me this fast, and maybe im just experiencing a placebo effect and think im feeling it when im really not, but damn my sex cdrive is already through the roof, i dont feel tired throughout the day, and i feel more motivated to do the little things like go to town, show affection, play with my kids, etc. So so far its good but its only been 2 days so idk.

 

[Zyglamail]

One thing id like to mention is keep a close eye on your vials as you draw. Over the last 3 years of TRT using pharm gear ive had a variety of stuff and on occasion I will get a vial that as it starts to get low I will notice a lot of the product has "gelled" on the bottom of the vial. If I notice that happening, I just run hot water in a glass and let the vial sit in it for a few minutes to redissolve.

 

[musclemom]

It is Paddock Laboratories. I think the pharamcist told me that there was a 10ml vial in this one, I think he only ordered the 1ml vials for now since he was going to take me off completely if I didnt feel better. but once I tell him I feel better in 6 weeks, Im sure he will order the 10ml vials from now on.

Damn I wish he bumps it up to 800-900 a week. Well see how I feel though. But I would definitely like to be at the upper range of normal and I dont think 200mg 2x a week will get me there.

My husband is 59, been on TRT for more than 5 years (I'd have to pull his records, I think he started in 2006). He takes 1.5 ml every seven to ten days. If he gets his blood work within five days of his shot his levels are >1000.

BTW, congrats on murdering your testicles before you even hit 30. Good job. Why are you even bothering to go to a doctor? Obviously you don't need a prescription for testosterone. Go to Any Lab Now to check your levels and do your own dosing, you know better than the doctor, right?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

One thing id like to mention is keep a close eye on your vials as you draw. Over the last 3 years of TRT using pharm gear ive had a variety of stuff and on occasion I will get a vial that as it starts to get low I will notice a lot of the product has "gelled" on the bottom of the vial. If I notice that happening, I just run hot water in a glass and let the vial sit in it for a few minutes to redissolve.

Thank you bro, I will check for that. Can you just run hot water over the vial itself?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

My husband is 59, been on TRT for more than 5 years (I'd have to pull his records, I think he started in 2006). He takes 1.5 ml every seven to ten days. If he gets his blood work within five days of his shot his levels are >1000.

BTW, congrats on murdering your testicles before you even hit 30. Good job. Why are you even bothering to go to a doctor? Obviously you don't need a prescription for testosterone. Go to Any Lab Now to check your levels and do your own dosing, you know better than the doctor, right?

Thank you for the sarcasm, I dont know what the purpose of your post was. This isnt the chat forum, but yes, I did need to go to a doctor because I did have low test. I have 2 kids anyway already, and its not like Im going to be on a cycle dose. But with a test level of 262 at 24 years old, yes obviously I do need a prescription for testosterone.

Of course that doesnt mean I wont be supplementing some extra testosterone once in a while lol

 

[musclemom]

Thank you for the sarcasm, I dont know what the purpose of your post was. This isnt the chat forum, but yes, I did need to go to a doctor because I did have low test. I have 2 kids anyway already, and its not like Im going to be on a cycle dose. But with a test level of 262 at 24 years old, yes obviously I do need a prescription for testosterone.

Of course that doesnt mean I wont be supplementing some extra testosterone once in a while lol

and the comment I bolded is exactly why I was sarcastic. You clearly have no intention of following an HRT protocol. You fully intend to take juice on top of what's prescribed to you. You're a steroid junkie ... and even worse, you're an insult to people who really do need to be on HRT because of age or injury. You actually seem happy to have succeeded in trashing your endocrine system. If I were you I'd do anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, to get my own hormone production back to normal, no matter how long it took. Not you, though.

You're a kid and you have the hormones of a 60 year old man. Good job. Hope it was worth it.

 

[Zyglamail]

Thank you bro, I will check for that. Can you just run hot water over the vial itself?

Sure, but I keep my water heater pretty hot and dont have the patience to hold it for a couple minutes .

Im sure the dosing inj to inj would be much more consistent if it was heated if you have a brand or lot that was prone to gumming up. Problem is you usually cant tell if its going to gum up until after you have used 5ml or so out of a 10 ml vial.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Typically you will have a few blood tests done with the first 6 months to see where you are at. If you do a cycle it's going to effect your levels for a long time and if he asks for blood work during that time frame, you will have high levels and will lower your dose.

You will never get 800-900mgs a week. I'd say 200 a week will be where he will keep you at. You should be more than 600 after a few months on even at 200mgs EOW. Have to let the Test build up in your system. That's when he will check your levels after 3 months.

I was given the single vials at first and no matter how many times i asked for a 10ml she would not budge at the beginning. They want to monitor for sure what you are taking. After you get a set dose then you will get the bigger vials. Watson has the single vials also. So does Pfizer. I never noticed a difference.

I definitely understand the positive effects of TRT as I felt the same as you before starting it. 24 Is young for life long TRT. But if there was no way of restoring your natural levels then you have to do what it takes.

If you get bloodwork done and it shows you're at 900 or something and you don't know where it's at until you see him. And you tell him you feel no different at 900 then he's gonna think you're just lying. Going from 262 to 900 will definitely make you feel better. But what you can say Is that the first week you feel great but the 2nd week you start to decline. Which I'm sure you may experience by every other week injections anyway. He may want to take blood to check your levels on the 7th day after injection to see where your levels are then too. If they are low, then he will give you every week injects.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

ok cool, thanks Z

liquid, that sounds good. I wont be doing a cycle for a while, and unlike musclemom says, im not doing this so i can abuse steroids. Abusing steroids is why im in this mess in the first place. thats funny she would say im a steroid junkie, im sure more than 50% of us on EF that are on HRT also juice it up once in a while. Blast and cruise, no crash when you come off, no need to buy pct products, its just an added bonus to cycling. OBviously if i could take all the prohormones that i did back, I would, but I cant change the past. Its nice to know that other people felt the same way I did before starting HRT. I just KNOW its low test because of the sides and how I use to feel

Anyway, Im gonna let the doc do what he wants until I know I wont be getting tested except every 6 months. Well just see what the blood work shows and go from there. but I definitely wont be adding anything else until me and the doc are on the same page. I dont want to skew any results.

 

[Zyglamail]

Yea, just let it play out and see where the doc gets you at, just keep in mind if he does labs 5 days after a 200mg injection you levels are going to be pretty high. The problem with the docs approach is all in the lab timing and my only concern is that he isnt going to realize that and low ball your dose because he opted to test too soon after a larger, less frequent dose. If he is testing 2 week after a 200mg inj then you should be good but if he wants to test you 5-7 days after a 200mg injection your labs will probably come back high.

As I mentioned before, your within your right to ask him what his game plan is. Dont be afraid to tell him you have done some research and talked to many older guys on TRT. If you think he is dead set on the 2 week injection interval thats when I would consider changing things up without telling him.

If you know he wants labs say 5 days after an injection, I would do 100mg the inj before the lab test.

 

[-SD-]

How long were you off all steroids to determine if you needed HRT or not? You may have been shut down from all the abuse but a guy your age could bounce back given some time, no?

 

[Zyglamail]

How long were you off all steroids to determine if you needed HRT or not? You may have been shut down from all the abuse but a guy your age could bounce back given some time, no?

Ecen though I am on TRT, I honestly believe the need for TRT is more often than not derived from some other issue. For example, there are a whole slew of digestive bacteria, fungi etc that over time pollute the body, hijack various pathways, reduce vitamin/mineral uptake etc. Most of the time people with such infections or overgrowth dont even know they have a problem. Tests are expensive are rarely run by normal doctors and over time they stress the body causing systemic inflammation and adrenal stress.

Im currently undergoing extensive testing for determine my gut health and once I can be certain thats in order im actually going to drop off trt and see if I can get my test levels back up naturally.

 

[doublebicep]

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[the.gladiator1987]

SD, I took clomid to see if it would raise my test, and it did, but the symptoms were all still there. I havent taken a cycle in a while, but I know i probably messed myself up from the prohormones I took since I was 16 and the couple cycles I took as well. BUt I didnt want to spend a bunch of money taking natural supps to raise my test, just to see my test levels fall back down once I stopped taking the supps.

 

[musclemom]

ok cool, thanks Z

liquid, that sounds good. I wont be doing a cycle for a while, and unlike musclemom says, im not doing this so i can abuse steroids. Abusing steroids is why im in this mess in the first place. thats funny she would say im a steroid junkie, im sure more than 50% of us on EF that are on HRT also juice it up once in a while. Blast and cruise, no crash when you come off, no need to buy pct products, its just an added bonus to cycling. OBviously if i could take all the prohormones that i did back, I would, but I cant change the past. Its nice to know that other people felt the same way I did before starting HRT. I just KNOW its low test because of the sides and how I use to feel

Anyway, Im gonna let the doc do what he wants until I know I wont be getting tested except every 6 months. Well just see what the blood work shows and go from there. but I definitely wont be adding anything else until me and the doc are on the same page. I dont want to skew any results.

Actually the reason I came to EF to begin with was because my husband needed HRT, I wanted to educate myself because it's not his bag. He's never lifted a weight other than for work purposes and he's not into the physical vanity thing. I'd love to get him to exercise but it ain't happening.

Now both he and I are on HRT. He started HRT back in 2006 when he was 52. His levels were in the 200s, which actually was within "normal" range but I requested the results be sent home. His family doctor wanted to put him on an antidepressant. I sent him to another doctor for HRT. The bitch that saw me for my gyn exam wasn't going to put me on therapy either, but I had another doctor lined up who gets it.

My point is, you did this to yourself, and not trying to UNdo it is crazy. If you haven't cleared your system for six months and given yourself time to reboot then you're not giving it a fair shot. Once you start this path you're done, you're committed. Your testes will atrophy after a few months and then there won't be anything you can do. You think you're done having kids at 24, I'm telling you, shit can change. I would have given anything if my husband hadn't had a vasectomy before I met him. At the time reversals were cutting edge technology and way too expensive, too late now.

And uh, no, no reputable doctor is going to put you on 800 mg a week. Ever. A normal dose is 100 to 200 MAX. If you try to "tweak" things so they bump you they're going to realize that you're full of crap if you don't respond after 200 mg. That's why you've been put on single dose vials, the doctor doesn't trust you. When my husband was prescribed injections he got a full sized 10 mg vial.

Face it, you LOOK like you do/have done roids, do you really think any doctor is going to prescribe unlimited shit to you, at your age? Seriously? I thought you had half a brain, at least.

 

[Anabolic chest]

Actually the reason I came to EF to begin with was because my husband needed HRT, I wanted to educate myself because it's not his bag. He's never lifted a weight other than for work purposes and he's not into the physical vanity thing. I'd love to get him to exercise but it ain't happening.

Now both he and I are on HRT. He started HRT back in 2006 when he was 52. His levels were in the 200s, which actually was within "normal" range but I requested the results be sent home. His family doctor wanted to put him on an antidepressant. I sent him to another doctor for HRT. The bitch that saw me for my gyn exam wasn't going to put me on therapy either, but I had another doctor lined up who gets it.

My point is, you did this to yourself, and not trying to UNdo it is crazy. If you haven't cleared your system for six months and given yourself time to reboot then you're not giving it a fair shot. Once you start this path you're done, you're committed. Your testes will atrophy after a few months and then there won't be anything you can do. You think you're done having kids at 24, I'm telling you, shit can change. I would have given anything if my husband hadn't had a vasectomy before I met him. At the time reversals were cutting edge technology and way too expensive, too late now.

And uh, no, no reputable doctor is going to put you on 800 mg a week. Ever. A normal dose is 100 to 200 MAX. If you try to "tweak" things so they bump you they're going to realize that you're full of crap if you don't respond after 200 mg. That's why you've been put on single dose vials, the doctor doesn't trust you. When my husband was prescribed injections he got a full sized 10 mg vial.

Face it, you LOOK like you do/have done roids, do you really think any doctor is going to prescribe unlimited shit to you, at your age? Seriously? I thought you had half a brain, at least.

He doesn't want to be on 800mg per week . That's the number at which he would like his test level (I think it's ng/dl, but not sure).

 

[live large]

Actually the reason I came to EF to begin with was because my husband needed HRT, I wanted to educate myself because it's not his bag. He's never lifted a weight other than for work purposes and he's not into the physical vanity thing. I'd love to get him to exercise but it ain't happening.

Now both he and I are on HRT. He started HRT back in 2006 when he was 52. His levels were in the 200s, which actually was within "normal" range but I requested the results be sent home. His family doctor wanted to put him on an antidepressant. I sent him to another doctor for HRT. The bitch that saw me for my gyn exam wasn't going to put me on therapy either, but I had another doctor lined up who gets it.

My point is, you did this to yourself, and not trying to UNdo it is crazy. If you haven't cleared your system for six months and given yourself time to reboot then you're not giving it a fair shot. Once you start this path you're done, you're committed. Your testes will atrophy after a few months and then there won't be anything you can do. You think you're done having kids at 24, I'm telling you, shit can change. I would have given anything if my husband hadn't had a vasectomy before I met him. At the time reversals were cutting edge technology and way too expensive, too late now.

And uh, no, no reputable doctor is going to put you on 800 mg a week. Ever. A normal dose is 100 to 200 MAX. If you try to "tweak" things so they bump you they're going to realize that you're full of crap if you don't respond after 200 mg. That's why you've been put on single dose vials, the doctor doesn't trust you. When my husband was prescribed injections he got a full sized 10 mg vial.

Face it, you LOOK like you do/have done roids, do you really think any doctor is going to prescribe unlimited shit to you, at your age? Seriously? I thought you had half a brain, at least.

Seriously what gives you the right to come in and start bashing someone else on their life choices ????. He started this thread for insight and helpful knowledge not to be criticised, or called stupid. Especially when you aren't even understanding what is been talked about..of course he isn't trying to get 800 mg of test a week

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[musclemom]

Seriously what gives you the right to come in and start bashing someone else on their life choices ????. He started this thread for insight and helpful knowledge not to be criticised, or called stupid. Especially when you aren't even understanding what is been talked about..of course he isn't trying to get 800 mg of test a week you idiot!!!

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Honey, check out how long I've been a member of this board. I've known Glad a whole lot longer than you have. He was warned, years ago, warned by many, many people he was playing with fire. The normal testosterone levels of a 21 year old male weren't enough for him three years ago. Normal levels are never enough for him.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, again, I've been dealing with my husband's HRT for years now. If I'd listened to "doctors" I'd be in a sexless marriage to a 60 year old on antidepressants.

 

[Anabolic chest]

Honey, check out how long I've been a member of this board. I've known Glad a whole lot longer than you have. He was warned, years ago, warned by many, many people he was playing with fire. The normal testosterone levels of a 21 year old male weren't enough for him three years ago. Normal levels are never enough for him.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, again, I've been dealing with my husband's HRT for years now. If I'd listened to "doctors" I'd be in a sexless marriage to a 60 year old on antidepressants.

So why the fuck are you whining on about 800mg per week of testosterone? When hes clearly talking about his test levels?

 

[musclemom]

So why the fuck are you whining on about 800mg per week of testosterone? When hes clearly talking about his test levels?
Seeing as your Glad's long time pal and the upmost authority on TRT, what with your husband being on it and that automatically making you an endo what would you suggest Doc? Lmao

I'm no expert, not by a long shot, but he's throwing in the towel when he's still young enough to have even the smallest chance to restart his system and he's not trying. He just throws more and more chemicals into his system. It's great when you're 24 and think you're invincible. Things get far more interesting when you enter your 40s and 50s. There's a lot more involved with the male endocrine system than just testosterone. A host of potential chronic health conditions can come from imbalanced hormones and NOTHING you can get from a pharmacy is as good as what nature makes.

Frankly, if I were Glad I'd suck it up and gut out the worlds longest medically supervised PCT, coupled with a healthy diet. Deal with the depression and lack of sex drive and just give my body a chance to recover, six months minimum. That's too hard for him.

And maybe I misread Glad's post, if so, my bad. I can tell you (and him) that my husband's total test levels are usually over 1000 within five days of his 1.00+/- ml shot (sometimes he overdraws so it might be as much as 1.5) and his free test is always over 20. My big concern has actually been estradiol. I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Honestly, I'm sorry to see the boy fucked his body up. My husband and I would give anything to have our own natural hormone production, but we're frigging OLD. He's just a kid and has no appreciation for what he's losing.

 

[Anabolic chest]

I'm no expert, not by a long shot, but he's throwing in the towel when he's still young enough to have even the smallest chance to restart his system and he's not trying. He just throws more and more chemicals into his system. It's great when you're 24 and think you're invincible. Things get far more interesting when you enter your 40s and 50s. There's a lot more involved with the male endocrine system than just testosterone. A host of potential chronic health conditions can come from imbalanced hormones and NOTHING you can get from a pharmacy is as good as what nature makes.

Frankly, if I were Glad I'd suck it up and gut out the worlds longest medically supervised PCT, coupled with a healthy diet. Deal with the depression and lack of sex drive and just give my body a chance to recover, six months minimum. That's too hard for him.

And maybe I misread Glad's post, if so, my bad. I can tell you (and him) that my husband's total test levels are usually over 1000 within five days of his 1.00+/- ml shot (sometimes he overdraws so it might be as much as 1.5) and his free test is always over 20. My big concern has actually been estradiol. I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Honestly, I'm sorry to see the boy fucked his body up. My husband and I would give anything to have our own natural hormone production, but we're frigging OLD. He's just a kid and has no appreciation for what he's losing.

You just came across as a sarcastic arsehole in your original posts that's all. Wasn't really any need IMO

 

[Zyglamail]

I figure if guys who shoot 500 mg of test a week are alright on .5 mg of Arimidex e/o day, then he's golden on the same dose. His doctor originally prescribed him 1 mg every day. Both expensive and unnecessary and not without risks.

Most guys on 500mg test/week arent taking enough adex if you ask me, they are all just scared of reducing gains, which is BS in my book, its all just bloat from excess E.

ive been on hrt for 3 years with test levels around the 900-1000 mark and have been successful on 1mg adex 2x a week and is an frequently prescribed starting point. Since everyone responds to T supplementation and adex a little different its tweaked from there.

1mg adex everyday for hrt doses is just plain silly.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I was off for a while, more than 6 months, and clomid and HCGenerate didnt work. I figured I al,ready fucked myself up and I admit that, but those were my choices. Some people get into drugs that I never got into, like meth or coke or ecstasy or shrooms or acid, i just happened to choose prohormones and a couple cycles.

and the reason I got individual vials was because im getting a blood test soon, before I would run out of a 10ml vial, so theres no point in giving me more if he thinks it isnt doing anything. He said come back in 6-8 weeks. Im doing 100mg a week and I got 6 200mg vials. So he gave me enough for 12 weeks...

 

[surfx]

I would just do what the doctor says especially just first starting out with hrt. pretty important to know what your base levels are. I was thinking maybe asking your doctor about hcg therapy to try to restart your hpta. you can get your test levels pretty high doing that.

 

[reeves zane]

You just came across as a sarcastic arsehole in your original posts that's all. Wasn't really any need IMO

Musclemon comes across as far more knowledgeable than u.there is just so much broscience and abuse of steroids ,people take 5 times what they should responsibly take and yet still complain it isn't enough and often it's such people who are advising others.there is a stronghold of the blind leading the blind in gear forums.it doesn't help that regular doctors are mostly more ignorant so we come on here to help each other.Musclemon did that with sound advice.

I think gladiator probably has deppression issues and just blames it on a perceived lack of test in his system.trust me I was on finesteride for 5 months that kills your natural sex drive like nothing but I got by only had sex three times a week.didn't get my us
ual insane drive which US natural even tho I'm in my late 30s but I got by.

 

[stevesmi]

wow I just came across this thread.

muscle mom is 90% right.. yeah she came off 'mean' boo hoo but the truth hurts sometimes.

hopefully all you young kids reading this learn from glads mistake. no reason to touch hormones at 16 EVER unless you want to go on HRT in your early 20's.

and I am 100% certain his HPTA is fucked for life because of that abuse.. the younger you juice the faster you will have to go on HRT. i know its not the politically correct thing to say but its true most of the time. this is why we have a rule on EF about giving advice to kids. if i had it my way it would be 25+.. no reason for even a 23 year old to use hormones either..

there is a chance he could of came back but it would of taken a lot of patience. burnthiscorpse abused roids at a young age too.. and then stayed on for a year straight.. and he was able to recover with a natural pct .. look up his thread. glad should have tried this before resorting to HRT.

also HRT does not fix your life problems always. low libido involves a lot more than low T. that could be one issue among many causing a problem. there is a good chance he would be on HRT for a few months and the problems will slowly come back again. or he could get tired of injecting himself every week forever and decide to stop.

I view this as taking care of your teeth. you can fail to brush, floss, go to the dentist to get cleaned etc. then one day decide to pull your teeth and get fake ones put in.. but guess what? even fake teeth have to be cared for so you end up back to the same place.

just because you go on HRT doesn't mean you still have to have a solid diet, exercise, run short blast pct's, run natty supps, etc etc.

 

[stevesmi]

and please no insulting each other. i hate to delete posts or ban people but thats not gonna be tolerated on here.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

wow I just came across this thread.

muscle mom is 90% right.. yeah she came off 'mean' boo hoo but the truth hurts sometimes.

hopefully all you young kids reading this learn from glads mistake. no reason to touch hormones at 16 EVER unless you want to go on HRT in your early 20's.

and I am 100% certain his HPTA is fucked for life because of that abuse.. the younger you juice the faster you will have to go on HRT. i know its not the politically correct thing to say but its true most of the time. this is why we have a rule on EF about giving advice to kids. if i had it my way it would be 25+.. no reason for even a 23 year old to use hormones either..

there is a chance he could of came back but it would of taken a lot of patience. burnthiscorpse abused roids at a young age too.. and then stayed on for a year straight.. and he was able to recover with a natural pct .. look up his thread. glad should have tried this before resorting to HRT.

also HRT does not fix your life problems always. low libido involves a lot more than low T. that could be one issue among many causing a problem. there is a good chance he would be on HRT for a few months and the problems will slowly come back again. or he could get tired of injecting himself every week forever and decide to stop.

I view this as taking care of your teeth. you can fail to brush, floss, go to the dentist to get cleaned etc. then one day decide to pull your teeth and get fake ones put in.. but guess what? even fake teeth have to be cared for so you end up back to the same place.

just because you go on HRT doesn't mean you still have to have a solid diet, exercise, run short blast pct's, run natty supps, etc etc.

Just to clarify, I didn't touch AAS until I was 21. cycled a few times through my 20's. Never more than 200-300mg test wk. Most of those times were with no PCT either. It was before EF and pretty much internet for me. So I was ignorant. Got out of BB'ing in my late 20's until I was 32. Then I ran things like 600mg test wk for 10 months. 500mg wk for 5 mos. Blast and mostly cruise for a 13 month period. Obviously my endocrine system is quite resilient. If you read the thread in my sig yeah...I was suppressed for 13 mos straight. Stupid idea. But I recovered better than before I went on and with all natural shit. I was never a mega doser. Shit, even my avatar pic I was only on 375mg cyp and nothing else. So I wouldn't say I ever abused AAS. But then even at small doses I guess some extended durations would qualify as "abuse". Not at a young age though. I'd like to think I was as smart as I could be about it. Always get bloods done every 12 weeks. Never let BP get out of hand. Never let lipids get out of hand. Abdominal ultrasound. Get an echocardiogram every other year. Not because I'm paranoid....insurance pays for it....why not. Especially with AAS involved.