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How to squat for HUGE ARMS

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Not my work, but I thought it would be relevant to all the "help my left bicep peak wont grow" type bullshit that is plaguing this forum.

""How to squat for HUGE ARMS"
By Stuart McRobert

Adapted from his best-selling book BRAWN

To build muscle mass, you must increase strength. It’s that simple. You will never get huge arms, a monstrous back, a thick chest, or massive legs without lifting heavy weights. I know that probably doesn’t come as a revelation to anyone. But despite how obvious it seems, far too many people (and not just beginners) neglect power training and rarely make increasing the weights lifted in each successive workout a priority. You must get strong in the basic mass building exercises to bring about a significant increase in muscle size. One of the biggest mistakes typical bodybuilders make is when they implement specialization routines before they have the right to use them.

It constantly amazes me just how many neophytes (beginners), near neophytes, and other insufficiently developed bodybuilders plunge into single-body part specialization programs in the desperate attempt to build big arms. I don’t fault them for wanting big arms, but their approach to getting them is flawed. For the typical bodybuilder who is miles away from squatting 1 ½ times their bodyweight for 20 reps (if you weigh 180 lbs., that means 20 reps with 270 lbs.), an arm specialization program is utterly inappropriate and useless.

The strength and development needed to squat well over 1 ½ times bodyweight for 20 reps will build bigger arms faster then focusing on biceps and triceps training with isolation exercises. Even though squats are primarily a leg exercise, they stress and stimulate the entire body. But more importantly, if you are able to handle heavy weights in the squat, it logically follows that the rest of your body will undoubtedly be proportionally developed. It’s a rare case that you would be able to squat 1 ½ times your bodyweight and not have a substantial amount of upper body muscle mass.

This is not to say that you don’t need to train arms, and squats alone will cause massive upper body growth. You will still work every body part, but you must focus on squats, deadlifts, and rows—the exercises that develop the legs, hips, and back. Once you master the power movements and are able to handle impressive poundages on those lifts, the strength and muscle you gain will translate into greater weights used in arm, shoulder and chest exercises.

In every gym I’ve ever visited or trained in, there were countless teenage boys blasting away on routines, dominated by arm exercises, in the attempt to build arms like their idols. In the ‘70s, they wanted arms like Arnold Schwarzenegger, in the ‘80s Robby Robinson was a favorite and currently Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, has set the standard everyone wants to achieve. Unfortunately the 3 aforementioned men as well as most other top bodybuilders have arm development far beyond the reach of the average (or even above average) weight trainer. But arm size can be increased. However, not in the way young trainers, with physiques that don’t even have the faintest resemblance to those of bodybuilders are attempting to make progress. Thin arms, connected to narrow shoulders, fixed to shallow chest, joined to frail backs and skinny legs, don’t need body part specialization programs. Let’s not have skewed priorities. Let’s not try to put icing on the Cake before the Cake has been baked.


Priorities
Trying to stimulate a substantial increase in size in a single body part, without first having the main structures of the body in pretty impressive condition, is to have turned bodybuilding upside-down, inside-out and back to front.

The typical bodybuilder simply isn’t going to get much meat on his arms, calves, shoulders, pectorals and neck unless he first builds a considerable amount of muscle around the thighs, hips and back. It simply isn’t possible—for the typical drug-free bodybuilder, that is—to add much if any size to the small areas unless the big areas are already becoming substantial.
There’s a knock-on (additive) effect from the efforts to add substantial size to the thigh, hip and back structure (closely followed by upper body pushing structure-pecs and delts). The smaller muscle groups, like the biceps, and triceps will progress in size (so long as you don’t totally neglect them) pretty much in proportion to the increase in size of the big areas. It’s not a case of getting big and strong thighs, hips, back and upper-body pushing structure with everything else staying put. Far from it. As the thigh, hip, back and upper-body pushing structure grows, so does everything else. Work hard on squats and deadlifts, in addition to bench presses, overhead presses and some type of row or pulldown. Then you can add a little isolation work—curls, calf raises and neck work (but not all of this at every workout).


The “Driver”
The key point is that the “engine” that drives the gains in the small areas is the progress being made in the big areas. If you take it easy on the thigh and back you will, generally speaking, have trouble making gains in the other exercises, no matter how hard you work the latter.

All this isn’t to say just do squats, deadlifts and upper back work, quite closely followed by some upper-body pressing work. While such a limited program will deliver good gains on these few exercises, with some knock-on effect throughout the body, it’s not a year after year program. Very abbreviated routines are great for getting gains moving, and for building a foundation for moderately expanded routines. They are fine to keep returning to on a regular basis. The other training isn’t necessary all in the same workout but spread over the week. This will maintain balance throughout the body and capitalize upon the progress made in the thigh, hip and back structure.

Just remember that the thigh, hip and back structure comes first and is the “driver” (closely followed by the upper-body pushing structure) for the other exercises. These other exercises, though important in their own right, are passengers relative to the driving team.


Big Arms
To get big arms, get yourself on a basic program that focuses on the leg, hip and back structure without neglecting the arms themselves. As you improve your squatting ability, for reps and by say 100 pounds, your curling poundage should readily come up by 30 pounds or so if you work hard enough on your curls. This will add size to your biceps. While adding 100 pounds to your squat, you should be able to add 50-70 pounds to your bench press, for reps. This assumes you’ve put together a sound program and have worked hard on the bench. That will add size to your triceps.

If you’re desperate to add a couple of inches to your upper arms you’ll need to add 30 pounds or more over your body, unless your arms are way behind the rest of you. Don’t start thinking about 17” arms, or even 16” arms so long as your bodyweight is 130, 140, 150, 160, or even 170 pounds. Few people can get big arms without having a big body. You’re unlikely to be one of the exceptions.

15 sets of arm flexor exercises, and 15 sets of isolation tricep exercises—with a few squats, deadlifts and bench presses thrown in as an afterthought—will give you a great pump and attack the arms from “all angles”. However, it won’t make your arms grow much, if at all, unless you’re already squatting and benching big poundages, or are drug-assisted or genetically gifted.

As your main structures come along in size and strength (thigh, hip and back structure, and the pressing structure), the directly involved smaller body parts are brought along in size too. How can you bench press or dip impressive poundages without adding a lot of size to your triceps? How can you deadlift the house and row big weights without having the arm flexors—not to mention the shoulders and upper back—to go with those lifts? How can you squat close to 2 times bodyweight, for plenty of reps, without having a lot of muscle all over your body?

The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body. Think it through. Suppose you can only squat and deadlift with 200 pounds, and your arms measure about 13”. You’re unlikely to add any more than half an inch or so on them, no matter how much arm specialization you put in.

However, put some real effort into the squat and deadlift, together with the bench press and a few other major basic movements. Build up the poundages by 50% or more, to the point where you can squat 300 pounds for over 10 reps, and pack on 30 pounds of muscle. Then, unless you have an unusual arm structure, you should be able to get your arms to around 16”. If you want 17” arms, plan on having to squat more than a few reps with around 2 times bodyweight, and on adding many more pounds of muscle throughout your body (unless you have a better-than-average growth potential in your upper arms).

All of this arm development would have been achieved without a single concentration curl, without a single pushdown and without a single preacher curl. This lesson in priorities proves that the shortest distance between you and big arms is not a straight line to a curl bar."

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Re: How to suat for HUGE ARMS

Good post.

There are way WAY WAAAAAAAAY too many guys in the gym that have no clue what to prioritize in training.

Just today I saw a couple typical 170-185lbs guys do a bagillion sets of arms work. Maybe it was just arms day, but even then countless curls aren't going to get you big. So many guy's around that size wanting 18" muscular guns. It's not gonna happen for most guys unless you have sick arm genetics. Especially if you are under like 5'10-5'11" tall and don't have a naturally solidly put together build.

Kinda makes me sad. You can always tell who the guys are that know a thing or 2 because while they may not have the best program setup they all generally tend to favor heavy compound lifts and seem to do less isolation work.
 
Re: How to suat for HUGE ARMS

I actually did this for a full year. Did mostly deadlift, squats, overheads and bench press and neglected arm training. My arms are pathetic now. I look like T-Rex with my tree trunk legs and tiny little arms. I'm back to doing arms again.
 
Re: How to suat for HUGE ARMS

You were probably doing it wrong if your arms got small while focusing on compound lifts.

Multiple sets of heavy bench press, overhead press, rows and chins throughout the week will stimulate the arms.

My arms were almost 18" last major dual factor 5x5 cycle I did and I did zero isolation work for the arms.

A couple of sets of curls and extensions probably would be beneficial for maximum developement, but every guy I have seen that is really strong in all the basic compound lifts has diesel arms and aren't particularly concerned about curls.
 
Re: How to suat for HUGE ARMS

I actually did this for a full year. Did mostly deadlift, squats, overheads and bench press and neglected arm training. My arms are pathetic now. I look like T-Rex with my tree trunk legs and tiny little arms. I'm back to doing arms again.

One of two things;

1. Altered perception of arms; The average gym goers arms are MUCH bigger then proportionally correct. 95% of gym members do more time on arms then on lower body combined, hence people think awkwardly big arms are normal and normal arms are small.

2. You were doing it wrong. Rows, deads, cleans give my biceps plenty of work and bench, press give my triceps plenty of work.

Also, you can do supplemental work of any choice as long as it doesn't intervene with your primary workouts. If doing 3 sets of curls at the end of your workout won't impede with your next set of deadlifts then feel free to do them.
 
I dont know, it may not be the only bus that gets you there. Boxers, wrestlers, gymnast all avoid heavy mass movements like the plague and all have great upper bodies and legs better than many on here.

Just some food for thought.
 
Actually gymnasts, boxers and wrestlers don't have better legs than many guys on this board.

Most male gymnasts legs are a joke. They look pretty good and they are decently muscled, but their legs aren't large and typically their calf development isn't that impressive.

Boxers legs are a joke. Pretty much distance running and rope skipping. Rope skipping being the superior for it's calf building benefits.

Wrestlers. There are quite a few wrestler's with excellent legs because wrestling is all about the legs and hips for power. In addition many lift weights and do squats/cleans which helps build the legs/glutes/hams.
 
I thought this thread was about how working mass movements for you legs got you a bigger upper body?

All the above athletes built there upper bodies having never done squats. Mike Tyson thighs, in his heyday are bigger than 9-10ths of the people on here (so was his neck). Dan Gable, arguably one of the best wrestlers of all time, never did a squat, or a clean in his life. I wrestled D-1 Ohio and never did squats or cleans near season. These are movement that make you gain weight in all the wrong places which is a no,no when your cutting 10-15 per week to make weight. Do you think world class sprinters build massive legs by only lifting weights? No, they sprint. These are just a few example of ways people have built massive legs doing something other that gym rat stuff.

Not to mention if boxers and gymnast have as bad leg development as you claim, then how did they sculpt such awesome upper bodies?
 
imo, i'd rather build my legs by squating rather than sprinting 5 miles a day. I guess you could do that, but there's a reason not all of those aformentioned athletes have proportionality. you said yourself, boxers have good upper bodys, sprinters and wrestlers have good lower bodys. its because thats what they use for training in their sport. how many of them have both though? the genetically gifted maybe, but thats about it. lifting weights is the only way for most people to get that.
 
I thought this thread was about how working mass movements for you legs got you a bigger upper body?

All the above athletes built there upper bodies having never done squats. Mike Tyson thighs, in his heyday are bigger than 9-10ths of the people on here (so was his neck). Dan Gable, arguably one of the best wrestlers of all time, never did a squat, or a clean in his life. I wrestled D-1 Ohio and never did squats or cleans near season. These are movement that make you gain weight in all the wrong places which is a no,no when your cutting 10-15 per week to make weight. Do you think world class sprinters build massive legs by only lifting weights? No, they sprint. These are just a few example of ways people have built massive legs doing something other that gym rat stuff.

Not to mention if boxers and gymnast have as bad leg development as you claim, then how did they sculpt such awesome upper bodies?

wow I wrestled and most of the guys were puny motherfuckers. Even the bigger coaches were still not "well developed" per say. Wrestlers in general as you say yourself DO NOT have the build that people here are looking for. This thread as you see is about getting huge arms....not about cutting weight for a match. And for your reference Dan Gable did tons of lifting in his time.

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Scroll down the page a little to see a pic of him lifting. Your "assumption" that he never squatted and cleaning in HIS LIFE is the stupidest bullshit I have ever heard
 
You seem to equate decent muscular development with fairly low bodyfat as awesome development in the upper body.

I do not. I don't know if you realize this or not, but first off many of these athletes are genetically above average so pointing out specific athletes as examples doesn't prove much. For each of these athletes there are 10x as many that aren't as physically well developed or impressive looking.

Dan Gable looked good because he was lean and well proportioned. His legs were not particularly impressive in size or development nor was his actual muscular development particularly impressive. He worked his ass off, was aggressive and his coach even said he was the most god-given skilled wrestler he had ever seen.

Mike Tyson was a brick. Genetically he is a classic mesomorph with above average thigh structure. I am similarly built and my legs have always been above average. Doesn't mean squats don't make great legs even better.

You should note that earlier in Mike's career his legs were smaller and his coach did not want him lifting weights and that mid-way through his career he lifted and did SQUAT. This is a fact.

Most sprinters do intensive leg training in addition to their sprints. There often comes a time where you cannot get bigger or faster unless you significantly increase the strength of the muscles. I'd be you money almost all elite level sprinters do squats and specific leg training. I have seen videos of sprinters doing full squats with +300-400 pounds so there is often more to the size of their legs and glutes than just sprinting itself.

The point is that you can develop a good upper body without "specific" leg training, but hard leg work I believe and many other's have believed over the years that it will speed up upper body gains in size and strength and I whole heartedly agree with this.

I also believe that the "majority" of lifter's that are not genetically gifted will have much greater success in gaining the size and strength they want by devoting equal time to leg development vs. those who don't.

There are millions of men in the world that train that never surpass intermediate level in size/strength because they don't train the legs hard enough. For a great percentage of the population your body is not going to want to get "too" big without having balance elsewhere.

We have all seen the guy that has incredible natural leg development and average upper body or upper arms that are way out of proportion to the rest of their body. Some guys literally have excellent upper body genetics and stick legs.

Squats are the most result producing exercise period. If you can legitimately squat then there is no reason not to do so unless you are a bodybuilder and already have well developed glutes and you are worried about over-development throwing them out of proportion.

You are selling yourself short if you don't squat.
 
You seem to equate decent muscular development with fairly low bodyfat as awesome development in the upper body.

I do not. I don't know if you realize this or not, but first off many of these athletes are genetically above average so pointing out specific athletes as examples doesn't prove much. For each of these athletes there are 10x as many that aren't as physically well developed or impressive looking.

Dan Gable looked good because he was lean and well proportioned. His legs were not particularly impressive in size or development nor was his actual muscular development particularly impressive. He worked his ass off, was aggressive and his coach even said he was the most god-given skilled wrestler he had ever seen.

Mike Tyson was a brick. Genetically he is a classic mesomorph with above average thigh structure. I am similarly built and my legs have always been above average. Doesn't mean squats don't make great legs even better.

You should note that earlier in Mike's career his legs were smaller and his coach did not want him lifting weights and that mid-way through his career he lifted and did SQUAT. This is a fact.

Most sprinters do intensive leg training in addition to their sprints. There often comes a time where you cannot get bigger or faster unless you significantly increase the strength of the muscles. I'd be you money almost all elite level sprinters do squats and specific leg training. I have seen videos of sprinters doing full squats with +300-400 pounds so there is often more to the size of their legs and glutes than just sprinting itself.

The point is that you can develop a good upper body without "specific" leg training, but hard leg work I believe and many other's have believed over the years that it will speed up upper body gains in size and strength and I whole heartedly agree with this.

I also believe that the "majority" of lifter's that are not genetically gifted will have much greater success in gaining the size and strength they want by devoting equal time to leg development vs. those who don't.

There are millions of men in the world that train that never surpass intermediate level in size/strength because they don't train the legs hard enough. For a great percentage of the population your body is not going to want to get "too" big without having balance elsewhere.

We have all seen the guy that has incredible natural leg development and average upper body or upper arms that are way out of proportion to the rest of their body. Some guys literally have excellent upper body genetics and stick legs.

Squats are the most result producing exercise period. If you can legitimately squat then there is no reason not to do so unless you are a bodybuilder and already have well developed glutes and you are worried about over-development throwing them out of proportion.

You are selling yourself short if you don't squat.

All great points. Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson did front squats with 620 lbs over 3 times his bodyweight. But all that leg development was just from the sprinting and steroids....the squats had nothing to do with it:rolleyes:

Most people equate a ripped look of low bodyfat with being "huge."
 
So true man.

WOWZA! Like that guy is jacked!

I look around and see a guy 5'10"-6' 185-200lbs TOPS with like 10% bodyfat.

I'm like OH really? That's a very respectable build and if the genetics are good they'll look great.

But, that sure as fuck isn't jacked.
 
I dont know, it may not be the only bus that gets you there. Boxers, wrestlers, gymnast all avoid heavy mass movements like the plague and all have great upper bodies and legs better than many on here.

Just some food for thought.
aint dat the truth! some wickedly big gymnasts out there
 
wow I wrestled and most of the guys were puny motherfuckers. Even the bigger coaches were still not "well developed" per say. Wrestlers in general as you say yourself DO NOT have the build that people here are looking for. This thread as you see is about getting huge arms....not about cutting weight for a match. And for your reference Dan Gable did tons of lifting in his time.

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Scroll down the page a little to see a pic of him lifting. Your "assumption" that he never squatted and cleaning in HIS LIFE is the stupidest bullshit I have ever heard

So because you've got a picture of D.G. doing some curls all the sudden that means hes doing squats and cleans? Dont think so buddy. The wrestling you did in middle school doesn't count as an accurate depiction of the sport. One of the guys I wrestled against in my time, now plays for the New England Patriots, the guy he beat later in the tourney is now the current UFC heavyweight champ. But as you said "they were puny motherfuckers."
 
So because you've got a picture of D.G. doing some curls all the sudden that means hes doing squats and cleans? Dont think so buddy. The wrestling you did in middle school doesn't count as an accurate depiction of the sport. One of the guys I wrestled against in my time, now plays for the New England Patriots, the guy he beat later in the tourney is now the current UFC heavyweight champ. But as you said "they were puny motherfuckers."

UFC guys in general are not super huge either..except the heavyweight guys. And the wrestling I did was on a very good high school team. I just can't believe your bullshit of saying that you know some guy well enough to say this: "Dan Gable, arguably one of the best wrestlers of all time, never did a squat, or a clean in his life."

How the fuck do you know?
 
You realize how much work a sprinter, gymnast, wrestler etc does? They live in the gym and working out. It's their careers and/or only hobby. If you go tot he gym 3/4 days a week then do fucking squats and stop being lazy. If you have the dedication, time, work ethic to be a world class sprinter or boxer then train that much. If your goal is to get big arms then you have no where near the drive to get to a professional boxers work ethic because it starts at a very young age.

This forum can find excuses for anything. One fuckin class of people can get out this world arms without doing squats and this forum claims they don't have to because of it.
 
Wickedly big gymnasts?! Lmfao.

Gymnasts are shrimps that are lucky if they top out at 165lbs with moderate to small legs.

The physics alone make this the way it is.

I guarantee you have NEVER seen a 6ft tall 200+ lbs male gymnast win bronze or better in any olympics.

The amount of torque/tension placed on your muscles alone if you weight 10 pounds more than the other guy is a huge difference.

This is why you will never see an amazing 175lbs female ballet dancer. Sure there are some very talented dancers out there that are of the bigger frame. I happen to know one that went to Juliard's, but she has never and would never be the star of a ballet nor can she perform the absolute hardest techniques adequately because when your mass and weight surpasses a certain point it literally then takes superhuman strength to perform some of the feats.

I have known a couple of genetics freaks in my life that literally defied the laws of physics. I knew a Tongan kid in highschool that weighed 275lbs at 5'10", 17 years old. Built like an absolute brick shit house. His first time in the gym he could do strict reps with 405 on the bench and raw full squats with 500lbs. I still to this day think if that kid had the right life coach or whatever that he woulda been the strongest human being ever born. NO bullshit.

Another guy I knew was built like Casey Viator and at 5'11" and not having trained at all for over a year could do a standing backflip, do strict seated db presses with 85's for 10+ reps, easily deadlift 500lbs raw, and was freakishly athletic and powerful and coulda been a pro bodybuilder np.

But, these are absolute freaks of nature. Hardly people I would ever use as an example for anything.
 
I followed Stewart's principles for years and I have to say dont know the guy except from his books but he is on the money and I have to give him his dues. Is money well spent if anyone is interested!
Add juice to his principles and you geting somewhere:)
Managed to get my arms to 21" from 18.
His arm specialization routine is awesome!

This remainds me I need to do another run with it soon.
 
I followed Stewart's principles for years and I have to say dont know the guy except from his books but he is on the money and I have to give him his dues. Is money well spent if anyone is interested!
Add juice to his principles and you geting somewhere:)
Managed to get my arms to 21" from 18.
His arm specialization routine is awesome!

This remainds me I need to do another run with it soon.

You got the point his programs goes well with steroids.
Did anybody see Stewart McRobert picture by the way?
:confused:I don't think so.
 
You realize how much work a sprinter, gymnast, wrestler etc does? They live in the gym and working out. It's their careers and/or only hobby. If you go tot he gym 3/4 days a week then do fucking squats and stop being lazy. If you have the dedication, time, work ethic to be a world class sprinter or boxer then train that much. If your goal is to get big arms then you have no where near the drive to get to a professional boxers work ethic because it starts at a very young age.

This forum can find excuses for anything. One fuckin class of people can get out this world arms without doing squats and this forum claims they don't have to because of it.

Have you read the title of the thread? It is how to get big arms, not how to be a sprinter, wrestler, or gymnast. NONE of those things are at all good for getting big arms.

Ghetto: That Tongan kid sounds ridiculous man benching 405 for even one rep in high school is almost unheard of let alone doing more than one rep. I swear those island guys are all ridiculous, almost all the hawain guys I have met in my life were built like shit brick houses and stronger than shit
 
I doubt Stewart's theory.Yes you have to squat but it's no way to build huge arms without arm's exercises.
Squat's building huge ass not arms.
 
I doubt Stewart's theory.Yes you have to squat but it's no way to build huge arms without arm's exercises.
Squat's building huge ass not arms.

some arm specialization is good yes but you can be absolutely massive all over and have huge arms without ever touching a curl bar
 
Awesome advice, except i'm 6'2" with long ass legs and squatting is really hard for me. (deadlifting on the other hand is easy) I never back squat because of spinal injury, so i only front squat, which i do 225x6. (i weigh 200) Squatting a lot for tall guys is really hard and squatting 1.5 (your body weight) x20 for me would be like for a 5'10" guy squatting 2.5 bw x 20. Deadlifts i'm doing 1.5 x20. Thats all i wanted to point out.
 
You got the point his programs goes well with steroids.
Did anybody see Stewart McRobert picture by the way?
:confused:I don't think so.

No, I dont think he claims to be huge or anything he is more of a gym rat and what I like about him that he wrote from his failure and experiences.
He just happens to be right and what he says actually works. He doesnt even preach steroids I just added them in as I went along and it worked even better:)
 
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