How to effectively debate proponents on moral grounds of same-sex marriage

[strongsmartsexy]

Let's see what The Ultimate Warrior has to say on this subject.

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/030104.htm

What a rant.

* I don't exactly agree with the sentiments expressed in the above article.*

Has he started his own church yet? I got to meet him in person once. I believe the last impression I was left with from him went along the lines of ASShole.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Has he started his own church yet? I got to meet him in person once. I believe the last impression I was left with from him went along the lines of ASShole.

Check out the 'News" section of his website.

He rants & rants & rants......etc...etc...

Defintely, one angry man.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Check out the 'News" section of his website.

He rants & rants & rants......etc...etc...

Defintely, one angry man.

I used to read on his site. Until I realized that he's utterly self absorbed within his own realm, bought his own WWF hype. Then he just became plain boring. A bit like listening to a Cher album.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

If everybody is so concerned about the "sanctity of marriage," why don't we just make divorce illegal? 50% of marriages in this country already end in divorce. For the same heterosexual population that so frequently divorces to lecture gays on the "sanctity of marriage" is total shit. If it's so great, how come so many of you take it for granted?

better yet: let's get rid of marriage altogether and give single people the same tax advantages

 

[big_bad_buff]

yeah pretty much

I don't care what a bunch of homosexuals want to do. Marraige is treated like something to do on a Saturday Night when you're bored. If they want to get married, I won't stop them.

I fail to see how the deconstruction of America is a result of a bunch of guys who love to hob knob or a bunch of chicks who love to eat pussy wanting to get hitched.

The people who scream "sanctity of marraige" just want to get the holier than thou out there, and after the cameras turn off they go and fuck their mistresses.

I don't doubt that there are gay couples who want to get married just because they know it'll stir up something. People need to mind their own frigging business.

 

[Apöllo]

People seem inclined to argue in favor of same-sex marriage for a variety of reasons. Presently the argument of the proponent of same-sex marriage is popularly framed in the public arena as being equivalent to the issue of racial civil rights. It is suggested that our obligation to recognize same-sex marriage is a moral one, and that this obligation derives from an underlying moral principle similar to that moral principle from which it is suggested derives our moral obligation to recognize rights independently of race.

You didn't write this, did you? Where'd you take it from?

 

[Robert Jan]

Marriage is crap and should be banned altogether

 

[atlantabiolab]

Huh, you really believe that?


Please elaborate on how you see the deconstruction of America happening because of same-sex amrriages?

(Not being a wise ass - I really want to hear what you have to say)

Come on Velvett, did you not read the rest of the post...I said it is part of a larger problem; not "because of", but it is merely an example of the larger problem. I mentioned the deconstructing of illegal aliens, into "undocumented citizens"; how about another example: "reproductive freedom". Do I need to elaborate of the stupidity of this phrase and the contradictory manner in which it is used? How about "ethnic cleansing"?

 

[justyxxxx]

Those presenting the argument are poor at seeing the real reason why the priviledge of marriage (it is not a right..no licenses of state are rights) should remain as defined: union of man and woman. Those who state "Go ahead, why should they not marry?", if asked 5 years ago, would never question the concept of marriage as NOT being only the aforementioned definition; it was common knowledge. One cannot merely claim that this is nothing more than a word, for all things in this world are represented by words; they provide us with foundations on which to work with. So, the GLBT community has been very successful at corrupting (deconstructing), in the mind of the public, the very words by which we think.".

The meaning of words are subject to additions. Have you picked up a dictionary lately? Hmmm, it looks like marriage has been updated: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage
And besides, most people that I've talked to that have been married find that divorce is by far the best privilege.

For those who claim, "what does it matter, it is just a word", take a look at the current state of idiocy of our world. ".

Idiocy has been around for years. I'm sure there isn't a current state to it - the cave men weren't all that smart either. I take that back, someone did figure out how to make a rock roll.

. . . the deconstruction of America.

Hmmmm . . . Where's the great debate about Ms. Spear's quick marriage and the deconstruction of the universe as we know it? Or even her same-sex kiss before the marriage? And oh my god, I guess witches weren't at one time considered bad to America either as they were burned to death? Or, oh shit, those black people that even dared to think of considering themselves good enough to sit with the whites? Hell, America must really be gonna blow up soon - with so much idiocy, redefining of roles, and other shit that's been happening since before we were born. And let's not even mention Janet exposing that symbol on her breast. The countdown to deconstruction begins now . . . 10 . . . 9 . . .

 

[atlantabiolab]

The meaning of words are subject to additions. Have you picked up a dictionary lately? Hmmm, it looks like marriage has been updated: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage
And besides, most people that I've talked to that have been married find that divorce is by far the best privilege.



Idiocy has been around for years. I'm sure there isn't a current state to it - the cave men weren't all that smart either. I take that back, someone did figure out how to make a rock roll.



Hmmmm . . . Where's the great debate about Ms. Spear's quick marriage and the deconstruction of the universe as we know it? Or even her same-sex kiss before the marriage? And oh my god, I guess witches weren't at one time considered bad to America either as they were burned to death? Or, oh shit, those black people that even dared to think of considering themselves good enough to sit with the whites? Hell, America must really be gonna blow up soon - with so much idiocy, redefining of roles, and other shit that's been happening since before we were born. And let's not even mention Janet exposing that symbol on her breast. The countdown to deconstruction begins now . . . 10 . . . 9 . . .

Your argument is concerning "additions to" a concept, such as the idea of "man" to include black people, women, etc. All knowledge is heirarchical, it builds upon the foundation of other truths, so expanding the limit of "man" to cover these additions is not completely re-interpreting the idea of "man" since you have not changed the essentials of this definition: man is a rational animal (Homo sapien = "knowing man"). If you wished to state that homo sapiens are dogs, would this be correct? Is there no truth to ideas, since words can be changed as you argue?

In terms of marriage, the common meaning of this idea has been the union of man and woman; in Roman days its meaning was derived from the "right" (a right we no longer accept in all of its manifestations) of males to take a bride. We have expanded its usage to that of willful voluntary matrimony, unlike its original meaning where fathers sold their daughters or men "took" women for brides, but its meaning has remained as essentially "man and woman".

The deconstruction of American thought has been occuring for decades now, and to deny it is to deny those who vocally advocate deconstruction. "Feminist" theory, "Gay" theory, "Gender" theory, "Racial" theory, etc. all derive much of their philosophy from Derrida's deconstructionism.