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WannaBPowerful
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I know the basic, dramatic size/strength thing. Is there any other tell tale signs for people takin roids? Im gettin suspicious about a few of my friends.
How to distinguish a juicer????
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nclifter6feet6
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i dont use roids but its easy to pick out who has.......signs are...
thin looking skin, veins always dialeted, too many veins, fat face and ripped body combo, acne all over back and sholders, when theyre at the gym they dont lift hard or heavy or do hardcore exersises like squats and deads but are still ripped and huge fuckers. deformed body structures(old guy at the gym has widest back ever, he has all lats but no traps at all) bloated stomach. real ridgid facial structure i think thats about all. my gym is predominatly users and abusers so many of them look unproportionate and stupid looking so im not shure if i will ever take the plunge into juicing.
thin looking skin, veins always dialeted, too many veins, fat face and ripped body combo, acne all over back and sholders, when theyre at the gym they dont lift hard or heavy or do hardcore exersises like squats and deads but are still ripped and huge fuckers. deformed body structures(old guy at the gym has widest back ever, he has all lats but no traps at all) bloated stomach. real ridgid facial structure i think thats about all. my gym is predominatly users and abusers so many of them look unproportionate and stupid looking so im not shure if i will ever take the plunge into juicing.
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nclifter6feet6
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and then again you cant always tell
I know a ton of guys who don't do squats and deads, and some of them are bigger than some of the guys I know who DO squat and deadlift, and have been lifting longer. Genetics, not steroids, are responsible for this. Just because you've seen big guys who don't do squats and deads, doesn't mean they juice.
All of these are just stories of misusers, not users. Someone who uses properly and responsibly would show very few (if any) signs of using.
Yes, all those things are signs, but I know tons of users who fit in fine with the average person.
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nclifter6feet6
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im sorry but i dont see how in the hell u can build a decent lower body with out squats and secondmost deads
Really damn good genetics, was all I was trying to say.
I was trying to point out that just because people have certain aspects, doesn't mean they juice.
I would also like to point out that these side effects are not something to base your decusion about juicing on. Like I said, these are stories of misuse, not responsible use.
I was trying to point out that just because people have certain aspects, doesn't mean they juice.
I would also like to point out that these side effects are not something to base your decusion about juicing on. Like I said, these are stories of misuse, not responsible use.
benchmonster
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Who cares? If someone is using insane amounts and looks like an IFBB pro, then they could be spotted from a mile away. But many do not show the signs posted above or any of the other "classic" signs.
You would be hard pressed to tell by looking at me. In a room full of bodybuilders, I would definately not stand out in the crowd. Many powerlifters and strongman competitors do not have the look described in some of these answers.
But whether a person is on or not, what does it matter? I am not asking that in a sarcastic manner. Other than just idle curiosity, I cannot imagine why anyone would care. It is like saying how can you tell a person who reads porn in private? Or , How can you tell who might drink beer?
B.
You would be hard pressed to tell by looking at me. In a room full of bodybuilders, I would definately not stand out in the crowd. Many powerlifters and strongman competitors do not have the look described in some of these answers.
But whether a person is on or not, what does it matter? I am not asking that in a sarcastic manner. Other than just idle curiosity, I cannot imagine why anyone would care. It is like saying how can you tell a person who reads porn in private? Or , How can you tell who might drink beer?
B.
I tell you what motivates people to post things like this:
non-users or moderate users "re-assuring" themselves that gains made by people around them are chemically induced, otherwise if they were natural, they would train/eat the right way and i would do something wrong.....
non-users or moderate users "re-assuring" themselves that gains made by people around them are chemically induced, otherwise if they were natural, they would train/eat the right way and i would do something wrong.....
benchmonster
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Vortexx,
I had a feeling that was what the reason for the thread was, but I was hoping I was wrong. I don't understand this mentality. Half the clean people think everyone in the world that has any size or strength is juicing, and without it they would be as inferior as the person who is thinking it. . .
And the other half seem to think you can look like Ronnie Coleman if you only eat Joe Weider's newest magic weight gainer. I don't really understand either one of these thought patterns, but the 1st one is weak minded, and the second one is naive.
If you want to run with the big boys in any of the iron sports, you have to do what they are willing to do, and have good genetics and an incredible level of dedication. If you are not willing to do that, then don't bitch and moan cause they are beating you at your particular sport, or because they outweigh you 50 lbs and are just as lean or leaner than you.
Just my 2 cents on the subject.
B.
I had a feeling that was what the reason for the thread was, but I was hoping I was wrong. I don't understand this mentality. Half the clean people think everyone in the world that has any size or strength is juicing, and without it they would be as inferior as the person who is thinking it. . .
And the other half seem to think you can look like Ronnie Coleman if you only eat Joe Weider's newest magic weight gainer. I don't really understand either one of these thought patterns, but the 1st one is weak minded, and the second one is naive.
If you want to run with the big boys in any of the iron sports, you have to do what they are willing to do, and have good genetics and an incredible level of dedication. If you are not willing to do that, then don't bitch and moan cause they are beating you at your particular sport, or because they outweigh you 50 lbs and are just as lean or leaner than you.
Just my 2 cents on the subject.
B.
Imnotdutch
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nclifter6feet6 said:
Too many veins?? Ok so how many is too many? I have had veins popping out all over me since I was a kid.....and they always stand out. Thats genetic.
What makes you think that the huge / ripped guy has never done squats or deadlifts? You see a snapshot of their training, not their whole history.
Wide lats and no traps os deformed? And nothing to do with genetics or training methods. How exactly does the steroid cause this? I didnt realise steroids were specific to individual muscles.
Pretty much everything that you wrote can be put down to genetics and training. BTW read Benchmonsters response, it makes alot fo sense.
aurelius
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I´ve read a few of these posts in threads where I told the truth about "getting big." Don´t know for sure if this one was directed to me but anyway... Never used steroids and will not ever. My decision. Nothing more.
Let me just say that many names have been dropped and fotos offered with question like "is he or she natural?" or " I admire these guys natural physiques" and so on. This is what I´m talking about to be more specific.
nclifter6feet6 said:
I am confused about this and I am not trying to flame or be a jerk. But how could someone have the widest lats ever, HUGE lats and no traps? A lot of lat exercises hit the traps too! Chins and rows build the traps to some degree. How could soeone have huge lats and no traps? And if its true-is this from juicing?
thriller
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from my point of view i think it would be good to know for young kids who have dreams to go far in the sport. everyone needs someone they look up to. if a kid has a role mood and he thinks he was the greatest ever then he finds out that he used roids. what do you think that might pressure them to do?
As far as dealing with a child and their role model...people need to be responsible parents and discuss things like that with their children. Little kids and teens have admired the pro bodybuilders in Flex magazine for years...and they are on tons of AAS. Parents need to be pro-active with their children.
After my last contest (marking my 1 year of competing in this crazy sport) someone came over to me and cornered me. I had just been asked to help with a Christian Strongman Team demonstration by their President when one of the other members walks over and begins telling me that I am using AAS. He begins saying that since I have gotten a lot stronger in the past year that I must be on AAS.
This guy was 5'4" and 225 and was accusing me at 6'2" 284 of being on AAS. He can out bench me too...but a good bit. In the past year I have went from hanging with him in strongman competitions to blowing him away on every single event. What he doesn't realize are a few things:
1) When he saw me compete a year ago...I had never done a contest or touched a single implement. He had been doing strongman for a few years as well as several contests. I now have lots of equipment to train with and have done several heavy contests.
2) ...and as I began to tell him... I train with more heart, drive, determination, and intelligence than he does. He complained all day long about how he was being cheated on ever event and at the end of the day when he placed 4th and did not qualify...he began by saying that he was glad that he didn't qualify for Nationals this year because he didn't plan on going anyway. He was going to the Bench and Curl state meet that weekend.
Sorry for the rant...
B True
After my last contest (marking my 1 year of competing in this crazy sport) someone came over to me and cornered me. I had just been asked to help with a Christian Strongman Team demonstration by their President when one of the other members walks over and begins telling me that I am using AAS. He begins saying that since I have gotten a lot stronger in the past year that I must be on AAS.
This guy was 5'4" and 225 and was accusing me at 6'2" 284 of being on AAS. He can out bench me too...but a good bit. In the past year I have went from hanging with him in strongman competitions to blowing him away on every single event. What he doesn't realize are a few things:
1) When he saw me compete a year ago...I had never done a contest or touched a single implement. He had been doing strongman for a few years as well as several contests. I now have lots of equipment to train with and have done several heavy contests.
2) ...and as I began to tell him... I train with more heart, drive, determination, and intelligence than he does. He complained all day long about how he was being cheated on ever event and at the end of the day when he placed 4th and did not qualify...he began by saying that he was glad that he didn't qualify for Nationals this year because he didn't plan on going anyway. He was going to the Bench and Curl state meet that weekend.
Sorry for the rant...
B True
Bfold, I think you got the right mentality: a strong mind and a burning desire to become a serious stronman to be reckoned with.
Sure If you ever decide to use AAS you might even go with the top-ranking strongman, but ONLY if combined with the kind of commitment like you displayed this last year.
People that mainly rely on AAS as their prime "powersource" end up skipping the nationals and do half-baked curl events because they happen to have some genetic talent for powerfull arms, but lack the mentality of becoming a true allround champ...
Sure If you ever decide to use AAS you might even go with the top-ranking strongman, but ONLY if combined with the kind of commitment like you displayed this last year.
People that mainly rely on AAS as their prime "powersource" end up skipping the nationals and do half-baked curl events because they happen to have some genetic talent for powerfull arms, but lack the mentality of becoming a true allround champ...
benchmonster
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thriller said:
It is important in my opinion that a kid knows the truth about things like this. If you have a kid who is an athlete, or is aspiring to be an iron game competitor or whatever, I think it is important that he/she knows the score about juice.
Hiding their head in the sand about this topic is not any smarter than hiding their head in the sand about sex. Why do you suppose it is that the teen pregnancy rates are always highest in the bible belt? It is because kids there are not told the truth about how not to get pregnant, because uptight right wingers are more comfortable thinking their kids will be virgins till marriage. . . until their daughter gets knocked up at 16.
If your kid wants to get ahead regarding strength and hypertrophy, they are going to do what they are going to do. If you have a kid who is uninformed, he is more likely to do stupid things. If you have a kid who knows this is very unhealthy till after he/she quits growing, and that there can be side effects, and that there are methods to counteract those side effects, then you have someone there who has a better chance to make a smart decision.
That decision might be to avoid it altogether, and if not, hopefully they will make the decision to go ahead with safer alternatives, and to use anti-e's, etc. . .
I have made this argument, along with aurelias, on other threads, that people just need to realize that certain things are quite simply unnatainable clean. That way they have their eyes open. I just think it is unhealthy to go around thinking you can look like a bodybuilder, lift like a WPO competitor, or play football like an NFL player just on good old milk, and Joe Weider protein powder.
Kids will be pressured into using AAS. That is as inevetable as the fact that they will be pressured into drinking beer. The best you can do is provide them with the best info, and hope they make a smart decision.
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nclifter6feet6
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cytomel-alot of guys juice at my gym and some have some fucked up physiques really out of proportion looking they just dont look natural waaaaay out of proportion bonstructers and all.
i see alot of you people disagreing with me and i have pissed someone off cause i got negative karma. i can always pick a user out of a crowd. i dont know why u guys seem to be getting mad, maybe your realizing that im speaking the truth and your fitting my description and now your getting pissed at me. oh and i forgot those kinda veins paul dillet has those real curly veiens llike spagettit. its not that hard to tell. you guys should stop crying, its just my opinion oh well if im wrong im wrong so what c u later my bitches
i see alot of you people disagreing with me and i have pissed someone off cause i got negative karma. i can always pick a user out of a crowd. i dont know why u guys seem to be getting mad, maybe your realizing that im speaking the truth and your fitting my description and now your getting pissed at me. oh and i forgot those kinda veins paul dillet has those real curly veiens llike spagettit. its not that hard to tell. you guys should stop crying, its just my opinion oh well if im wrong im wrong so what c u later my bitches
nclifter6feet6 said:
Yeah thats cool, I was just curious about the giant wide lats and no traps because I havent seen anything like that before. Like I said traps seem to build up with lat work. I am not mad or pissed just curious. I have seen normal looking dudes one month come back a few months later with red faces, zits, bloated etc. I have also seen guys that used to be big look like almost nothing months later (muscle shrink) then get big again after that.
nclifter6feet6 said:
youre an idiot plain and simple. fuck you for making such idiotic assumptions.
that "stupid" look is what some people are after so show some fucking respect to people even if they have differing opinions than yours as they may have valid reasons behind them.
and yes i do heavy balls to the wall deads and squats every fucking week without fail.
Arioch
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Hmm,I guess I will begin with the fact that my first cycle was 21 years ago (finaject - good ole' days), and my last one ended a few weeks ago. I will now proceed to go over your list in a little bit of detail.
Thin looking skin: Nope. Have rather thick skin, wife comments on this as it is very scratch resistant.
Veins always dialated: Depends on carb intake, hydration level, and bodyfat, as well as activity level. Looks like you were wrong again.
Fat face: Hmm, even at my heaviest my cheekbones are sharply defined. Wrong again.
Ripped body: Well, I am a powerlifter. Try again.
Acne. Had it twice, both times mild. Went out in the sun for a day each time, and it was gone. Your batting average is rather low, yes?
Don't lift hard or heavy: See the I'm a powerlifter bit.
Ripped: See the I'm a powerlifter bit. Again.
Huge: Coach quite a few athletes larger than I, some of whom do not even use creatine.
Deformed body structures: I was a misanthropic freak the day I was born. Made me one hell of a hammer thrower and deadlifter. Do not try train for appearance, so who cares if my physique is symmetrical. I am an athlete, not a model.
Bloated stomach: Nope. Relatively narrow waist, especially for a powerlifter. Despite all of the focus on heavy back, ab, and oblique work.
Wow. Genius, boy. Pure Genius.
And how does juicing affect the bone structure of an adult?
benchmonster
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I love how people who have never used like to hold themselves out as an expert on the subject.
I have been on for the last year. I am a little leaner, a tiny bit bigger and a ton stronger than I was a year ago.
I too am a powerlifter. I have the opposite physique of Arioch, we both already knew this. I am built to bench and cannot pull well, Arioch is a very gifted puller and struggles with his bench.
We both use. I am not as old, and have not trained nearly as long as Arioch, but I don't fit your mold any better than he does. I am not extremely ripped. I am a powerlifter. I am strong. I don't have a 6 pack except when I pull to 220 for weigh ins, and thank God, it goes away the next day.
I have 18 inch arms, but a 36 inch waist, and I am five seven. Not huge at all. If I took what a bodybuilder does, and trained the way they do (I hope Arioch or Irishpower or bigokie would shoot me) then maybe, maybe, I might fit "some" of your criteria for a user.
I don't get any more acne on than off. My hair doesn't fall out any faster on than off. I don't beat the shit out of stupid people at any higher a rate on than off.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I suppose, but I don't try and tell pre-contest bodybuilders how to eat, because I don't know anything about that stuff. Talk about what you know.
You could not pick me out of a crowd. I assure you that. There are a ton of smaller powerlifters and olympic lifters you could not spot either, especially in street clothes. Some of us are athletes, and not models.
B.
I have been on for the last year. I am a little leaner, a tiny bit bigger and a ton stronger than I was a year ago.
I too am a powerlifter. I have the opposite physique of Arioch, we both already knew this. I am built to bench and cannot pull well, Arioch is a very gifted puller and struggles with his bench.
We both use. I am not as old, and have not trained nearly as long as Arioch, but I don't fit your mold any better than he does. I am not extremely ripped. I am a powerlifter. I am strong. I don't have a 6 pack except when I pull to 220 for weigh ins, and thank God, it goes away the next day.
I have 18 inch arms, but a 36 inch waist, and I am five seven. Not huge at all. If I took what a bodybuilder does, and trained the way they do (I hope Arioch or Irishpower or bigokie would shoot me) then maybe, maybe, I might fit "some" of your criteria for a user.
I don't get any more acne on than off. My hair doesn't fall out any faster on than off. I don't beat the shit out of stupid people at any higher a rate on than off.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I suppose, but I don't try and tell pre-contest bodybuilders how to eat, because I don't know anything about that stuff. Talk about what you know.
You could not pick me out of a crowd. I assure you that. There are a ton of smaller powerlifters and olympic lifters you could not spot either, especially in street clothes. Some of us are athletes, and not models.
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nclifter6feet6
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well sinse i got five hoes crying about what i said maybe i should buy a box of tampons for yall's pms.
maybe im wrong, and your not hoes, maybe its the roid rage,thats making you guys all bitchy??you see i told you i can detect a roider
if im wrong then, SO WHAT. i dont need a bunch of hoes CRYING to me cuase i say the wrong thing, you hoes should be pimp slapped for your actions.
maybe im wrong, and your not hoes, maybe its the roid rage,thats making you guys all bitchy??you see i told you i can detect a roider
if im wrong then, SO WHAT. i dont need a bunch of hoes CRYING to me cuase i say the wrong thing, you hoes should be pimp slapped for your actions.
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nclifter6feet6 said:well sinse i got five hoes crying about what i said maybe i should buy a box of tampons for yall's pms.
maybe im wrong, and your not hoes, maybe its the roid rage,thats making you guys all bitchy??you see i told you i can detect a roider
Why is it that there always has to be one of these guys hanging around the boards. You demonstrated, very loudly, that you have absolutely no idea whay you're talking about on this subject. But when the members of this board, for the most part very calmly proved you wrong, you start getting insulting. Elite fitness is known across the 'net as a place to go to learn about anabolics, but you come here and insult guys that juice, wow, makes perfect sense to me. you are the same as all the other guys out there that are envious about what every one else other than themselves is accomplishing, so you have to go and make statements like the ones you made.
Pretty damn funny....
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nclifter6feet6
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i dont still dont think im wrong on my opinions
anyways the main topic is asking for an opinion and thats what i gave
now lets all just calm down and stop being such whiney ass little hoes.
anyways the main topic is asking for an opinion and thats what i gave
now lets all just calm down and stop being such whiney ass little hoes.
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nclifter6feet6
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ok you say im wrong, but no your wrong.
growth hormones doesn increase your belly giving you that pregnant look like alot of probodybuilder juicers
you do get acne from roids
you do get freaky notted up veins
you face can get fucked up from gh and stomach.
wow you guys should start up an escort service, we shure do got tons of hoes in here. i think you would fare better at being PROFESSIONAL hoes then arguing with me,because your not winning this argument. you stupid lil hoes
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vinylgroover
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WannaBpowerful,
Why not just ask your friends if it concerns you so much. You should be only concerned with your own progress instead of comparing with others, which is something 85% of people on these boards are more concerned with.
One thing i will say, is that you should be selective in who you get your advice from. If you are natural, then do not seek advice from those who you suspect take steroids because the rules are different. There are those on here who will rubbish me and claim that the principles are the same whether natural or not, but it's about more than that, it's about being able to cticically analyse all aspects of your training and being given advice about maximising your returns from training naturally from someone taking steroids will not serve you well.
Why not just ask your friends if it concerns you so much. You should be only concerned with your own progress instead of comparing with others, which is something 85% of people on these boards are more concerned with.
One thing i will say, is that you should be selective in who you get your advice from. If you are natural, then do not seek advice from those who you suspect take steroids because the rules are different. There are those on here who will rubbish me and claim that the principles are the same whether natural or not, but it's about more than that, it's about being able to cticically analyse all aspects of your training and being given advice about maximising your returns from training naturally from someone taking steroids will not serve you well.
nclifter6feet6 said:
POSTED BY:needstostopactinglikeahoe
ok you say im wrong, but no your wrong.
growth hormones doesn increase your belly giving you that pregnant look like alot of probodybuilder juicers
you do get acne from roids
you do get freaky notted up veins
you face can get fucked up from gh and stomach.
wow you guys should start up an escort service, we shure do got tons of hoes in here. this way youll have something to do that your good at, because your not good at arguing your point.
God you're retarded, and the question was about roids, gh is a separate entity entirely, and even then, if used in moderation, you will get NONE of the side effects that you mentioned. Your arguements are sad, you have no facts to back them up, and whenever someone says something that you don't like, you call them a hoe?
You come here to talk shit with guys that actually have a clue, and even have the nerve to post that picture of what looks like an aids patient or starving Ethiopian in your avatar. How much proof do you need to give the board that you have the IQ of a toaster and the training success to go with it.
Zulu, I miss debating with you, at least you can back yourself up without stooping to this level.
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nclifter6feet6
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aids pateint??????I KNOW YOU HAVE aids cause of the way your thinking. i think you should stop teaming up with all these homos that are backing you up on this, atleast use protection geez mr needstouseprotection.
they guy who started this thread how do you distinguish a juicer. i think growth hormone fits in that catagorie of being a juicer, or being unatural mr needstopusingtampons.
i am right on the acne part too and veins and about everything ive said. arioch admitted to the acne anyways we arleady know that acne is a sign.
sinse i look like i have aids in my avatar would you like a bigger pic you homo. is that what you really want. im sorry but they only allow like 4megbites or whatever in the avatar and i look small. do you want a full size mr needsbigpeepeeinhismouth
they guy who started this thread how do you distinguish a juicer. i think growth hormone fits in that catagorie of being a juicer, or being unatural mr needstopusingtampons.
i am right on the acne part too and veins and about everything ive said. arioch admitted to the acne anyways we arleady know that acne is a sign.
sinse i look like i have aids in my avatar would you like a bigger pic you homo. is that what you really want. im sorry but they only allow like 4megbites or whatever in the avatar and i look small. do you want a full size mr needsbigpeepeeinhismouth
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nclifter6feet6 said:
Thanks for coming out pal, and a bigger pic wouldn't help, you'd still look like you don't work out. The guys that come to this board come here to learn and to share information, all I've seen from you is negativity, no real knowlege. Arioch admitted to getting acne 2x in how many years, but that's a sign of a juicer? I have been using off and on now for one year, and have not had any of the side effects that you mentioned.
So far all I've seen that you have to contribute to this board is name calling, and the funny thing about that is most of those names seem to have something to do with homosexuality, you trying to say something? While you're here though, you may want to take a trip over to the anabolic board so that you can learn some facts to back up your opinion.
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nclifter6feet6
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out of the kindness of my heart i started calling you a homo because it seemed more fitting, because in a previous post you seemed to be getting upset about me calling you a hoe. i thought it would make you happy.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/weightlifter999
there is another pic of me sinse you soooo kiiiindly asked. i know im not all that but im shure it will get your homo hormones raging for me. talk to you later mr needstogetlotionforwackingofftomen
http://profiles.yahoo.com/weightlifter999
there is another pic of me sinse you soooo kiiiindly asked. i know im not all that but im shure it will get your homo hormones raging for me. talk to you later mr needstogetlotionforwackingofftomen
I don't remember asking you for a pic
I'm really curious to know why you feel you need to keep making the homosexual comments? They, nor any of the other ones bother me in the least, I'm married to a beautiful woman, so making homo or wacking off comments isn't going to hurt my feelings. It's just a weak smokescreen to hide the fact that your comments were grossly inaccurate!!
I'm really curious to know why you feel you need to keep making the homosexual comments? They, nor any of the other ones bother me in the least, I'm married to a beautiful woman, so making homo or wacking off comments isn't going to hurt my feelings. It's just a weak smokescreen to hide the fact that your comments were grossly inaccurate!!
Thaibox
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Yup, high school is out.....
6feet6
You don't know a thing about the shit thats flying out of your mouth. I've been lifting for 10 years and done several cycles over the last few. Guess what slick, I've never had excess acne while on, I've never had these abnormal veins you're yapping about, I continue to have a 34" waist at 6'2" 260, I have traps and lats, and still have a much bigger dick than you tough guy.
You know jack shit about anything you are flapping your pathetic lips over. You are an uneducated, inexperienced turd. I would love to see you say this shit you're talking to any one of these guys in person. Would you continue to talk shit in the ICU? Shitbag
6feet6
You don't know a thing about the shit thats flying out of your mouth. I've been lifting for 10 years and done several cycles over the last few. Guess what slick, I've never had excess acne while on, I've never had these abnormal veins you're yapping about, I continue to have a 34" waist at 6'2" 260, I have traps and lats, and still have a much bigger dick than you tough guy.
You know jack shit about anything you are flapping your pathetic lips over. You are an uneducated, inexperienced turd. I would love to see you say this shit you're talking to any one of these guys in person. Would you continue to talk shit in the ICU? Shitbag
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nclifter6feet6
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. your JUICING numbskull! im am NOT. im alot younger than you 21 i actually weigh 245 in the pic but it thats not the point of all this. i am still right about how you can tell if someone juices. those are facts
aww look at thaibox...i can really tell the roid rage is kickin in with you wee tawd boy.
you clowns actually think your proving something by giving your stats, but yet you take drugs. duhhh read this iiiieeeeemm sooooffffaaaaa kiiiiiiieeeennngg weeeettt awwwwwwddd iiiiiiiiidd
dont worry my dumbass buddys i will give you positive karma for making me laff
aww look at thaibox...i can really tell the roid rage is kickin in with you wee tawd boy.
does this mean you want to challenge me to a elite chat battle royal. a fight to the death. also you cry about saying what i said in person. cmon man your really need to stop being my little crying ass hoe. all i stated was my opinion. then i got called names. i didnt start any name calling. you must really take this elite chat serioussly you sound like you are willing to fight over this hahahhahha
you clowns actually think your proving something by giving your stats, but yet you take drugs. duhhh read this iiiieeeeemm sooooffffaaaaa kiiiiiiieeeennngg weeeettt awwwwwwddd iiiiiiiiidd
dont worry my dumbass buddys i will give you positive karma for making me laff
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jeremys
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hey there, beanpole...you should really stop and think before you call somebody a little hoe...230? at 6'6? dude, i'm 240 at 5'9 and only 14 yrs old, maybe 15% bodyfat(it's called bulking, might wanna try sometime) and of course, drugless. not only was your post in which you called people hoes retarded, it was very immature. no reason for that shit...
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nclifter6feet6
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jeremy=arent you that dumbass kid that pearl jam made a song about?i dunno
yes there is reason for calling people names. they called me names first and made rude comments about me first. dont they teach that in kindergarden anymore? dont dish it if u cant take it.
dont make me have to roll your fat ass out of my thread chunky cheeks. oh yeah not to mention the roid rager tag team of chumpy and dumpy aka needsachillpill and the karatekid
yes there is reason for calling people names. they called me names first and made rude comments about me first. dont they teach that in kindergarden anymore? dont dish it if u cant take it.
dont make me have to roll your fat ass out of my thread chunky cheeks. oh yeah not to mention the roid rager tag team of chumpy and dumpy aka needsachillpill and the karatekid
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lol. these continuous idiotic name-calling stints of yours make you look like such an ass. i truly wish you would see how pathetic you're making yourself look.
as for calling me fat, i wouldnt have said anything back normally, because it doesnt bother me at all. but i just have to say that you seem to be one of those ppl who want to stay ripped for the sake of their abs. you must be insecure of your wee-littlenes.
its definately obvious that you are insecure because you imply that everybody around you is bigger than you because they juice...if you want help on training, or nutrition, or any other aspect of getting your little ass to GROW, then just ask for tips, or info, or research documents, or articles, or links. there's no need to be bitter or jealous. everybody and i do mean just about everybody on here would probably help you out if you wouldnt be this way. so please stop. for your sake, and mine, and everybody else who has to put up with it.
thank you
as for calling me fat, i wouldnt have said anything back normally, because it doesnt bother me at all. but i just have to say that you seem to be one of those ppl who want to stay ripped for the sake of their abs. you must be insecure of your wee-littlenes.
its definately obvious that you are insecure because you imply that everybody around you is bigger than you because they juice...if you want help on training, or nutrition, or any other aspect of getting your little ass to GROW, then just ask for tips, or info, or research documents, or articles, or links. there's no need to be bitter or jealous. everybody and i do mean just about everybody on here would probably help you out if you wouldnt be this way. so please stop. for your sake, and mine, and everybody else who has to put up with it.
thank you
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nclifter6feet6
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ok fuck the abs im going for the beer keg look. thanks for the advice
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jeremys
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lol. no prob.. haha, i didnt say you had to be obese to get big, how do you figure i'm fat at 15% ? well, any more help you need? post it and the night crew will probably clear it up for you
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nclifter6feet6
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wait your 11 years old right with 45% bodyfat. im not arguing with you anymore. end of discussion
Kid Dynamite
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vinylgroover said:
Very True.
nclifter6feet6 said:
Go back and read the thread, I merely responded to your calling me names, I never started anything, and as much as i would love to drop it, you're still here throwing sad insults at people.
All the guys on this board that juice, had physiques that were far more advanced than yours before they started juicing, so what's your excuse. You throw comments around about roid raging, again showing your lack of knowlege as "roid rage" does not exist, and if you came to elite to learn, as opposed to throwing around childish insults, you'd probably know these things.
Bottom line is that you expressed an opinion in this thread that happens to be wrong, and that you in no way, shape or form have any proof to back that up. But instead of doing the mature thing and just leaving it along, you continue to take these sad little jabs at people. This kind of crap isn't needed or welcome on this board. If you have any knowlege to contribute to the discussions here, by all means, add your two cents worth. But if all you've got are these pathetic little insults, then go back to the sandbox with the other kids.
MarshallPenniford
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jeremys said:
Ah, no. So sorry. You are way more than 15% dude!
A natural with 204 lbs of lean mass at 5'9"? I think not. At 14 years old? I know not.
Kid Dynamite
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Thaibox said:
Having a muscular frame doesn't automatically make someone a great fighter. Not an insult towards you or anything negative, just something I believe.
vinylgroover said:
I disagree, whether or not you're on juice, basic bodybuilding concepts remain the same, the only difference is that your recovery ability improves and you can subject your body to higher amounts of stress when on gear. I trained for 10 years before taking a shot at gear. All my training principles remain the same, except I take in more calories and do slightly more sets when I'm "on".
Kid Dynamite
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MarshallPenniford said:
I agree, unless dude's a complete genetic freak. And bulking at 14? On a mainly anabolic board at 14? Ahh, the internet.
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jeremys
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well...sorry to burst your buble, but im at about 15%. if i had a webcam and knew how to use it id take pics but i dont hae one. it'd probably be gross anyways..i got stretch marks that are still red and im very white(here in wi, the sun dont shine too much)
if it helps my case to be more believable for you, i turn 15 august 31.
it sucks you dont believe me but in the other hand you think this is unreal so it's quite the compliment to head off to bed with! thanks....
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Kid Dynamite
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Oh, and regarding the question on "how to distinguish a juicer"... here's how.
In your gym, if you think someone is using, stroll up to them, look em in the eye and drop the question "say, man. you on juice?" Then you can either hear a yes, or a "no, but I'll take that as a compliment." Of course, you could also get slammed into the wall, too. Be careful.
In your gym, if you think someone is using, stroll up to them, look em in the eye and drop the question "say, man. you on juice?" Then you can either hear a yes, or a "no, but I'll take that as a compliment." Of course, you could also get slammed into the wall, too. Be careful.
Kid Dynamite
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needsize said:
Nah, man. It would help him because he's stronger. He could kick some ass because he's good at thaiboxing (I assume by his name, I don't know him.) Look at all the different weight classes. Would you wanna fuck with a middleweight boxer? I wouldn't. Size doesn't make a fighter. That is my OPINION.
Kid Dynamite
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jeremys said:
If what you say about your size is true, then you have some impressive genetics and some lifting dedication. Good, stay at it.
Thaibox
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needsize said:
Exactly. People seem to consider gear as muscles in a can "oh, I'll just poke myself in the ass and grow 50lbs of muscle while sitting on my ass." or the opposite, "Now I can train 5 hours a day 7 days a week, woohoo!" Bullshit. Myself, as well as the guys that I know personally who juice use the same training principles as they did while natural and simply amplify them accordingly(mostly diet). Ignorance pisses me off.
This board has been getting ridiculous lately, what the fuck? This place needs to be cleaned up. Mods, would you please issue some warnings to these recent twerps causing all this bullshit.
ZZuluZ is actually looking like more and more of an asset to the board compared to these other kids.
No, I'm off currently, that was not influenced by an abundance of test in my body, but rather an abundance of assholes around me. Asshole
Again, I have to clarify for the mentally challenged. I was pointing out, that you would never talk to any of the dudes on this board face to face like this. I don't give a fuck if this is the internet. Its still a place where people gather to learn from one another, and a mutual respect is expected. Show some fucking maturity little man
MarshallPenniford
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jeremys said:
Dude, I'm gald you take it as a compliment, but here's the deal: STOP DELUDING YOURSELF!
With your ridiculous claim of 200+ lbs of lean mass, I went and tried to find a current 5'9" competitor to compare you to. I couldn't as of yet, and unfortunately you are supposedly sporting more LM than a bunch of the 5'6"-5'7" guys like Shawn Ray etc. Pretty fucking impressive at 14 years old and without drugs!
Man these pros must be idiots and not know how to train to well. Remember Frank Zane? Ever heard of him? You're sporting about 30-35 more lbs of LM than he had! Nice!
I think you're ready to go hit the stage and win your first Olympia. Skip the teen contests and all that crap, you're better than that. When you show up in November as a 15 year old and school Cutler and company on how a natural can do it and how they can save themselves the trouble of loading up on all the crap they take, you'll take the bodybuilding world by storm!
Or, you could just realize how full of crap you are. To all the other 14 year olds reading this, please realize how deluded this kid is.
FitnessFrk
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there are probably an equal amount of users in the gym who look like they juice as ones who juice and don't look like it. there are a lot of people who juice, don't know how to train or diet and look like total shit.
hell, I know dudes in college that juiced (sus 250) and lost weight ! lol
hell, I know dudes in college that juiced (sus 250) and lost weight ! lol
Imnotdutch
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nclifter6feet6 said:
Please post evidence for these 'facts'. Please note that references to Flex magazine or your buddies will not suffice
.nclifter6feet6 said:
wow 6 feet 6 inches. thats pretty fucking tall for a 14 year old.
ive said it before and ill say it again. you are pathetic. nobody should open their mouths without fully thinking through what they are about to say, and if it is even worthy of being considered a valid thought. so far, anything youve posted in this thread has been completely worthless, random, unrealiable bullshit. and please please please dont be so fucking proud about being 6'6" and 230 pounds. i know guys your weight at 5'9".
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
nclifter6feet6 said:
Just now they were facts......which is it??
BTW how do you know that the 'users' that you pick out in a crowd are really using?? You ask them......and are sure that you are getting an honest answer??
supertech69
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I was constantly being accused, actually asked, if I was juicing over 1 yr before I started. I got thick, cut & vascular all with training & diet. So, to say that you can absolutely tell that someone is on juice by specific sides is not accurate. True, I could sit & tell you who I think juices & probably get a few of them right but there is no way to know for certain. I've known some pretty big guys that are natural. Roid rage is a phrase used be people who have no clue, if you are an ass while on, chances are, you were an ass long before you used.
Kid Dynamite
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Thaibox said:
I know. I always like to bring that up once in awhile. Alot of people think that once they're huge, they're invincible, then get their heads stomped by a guy who weighs 170 but has 12 years martial arts training. I've seen it happen alot.
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jeremys
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marshall, you wouldnt believe how much confidence you're giving me. again, thank you..i assure you i am at about 200# of lbm, but i sure wouldnt be able to compete at a low bf right now. i have size, but not too much shape, not yet anyways.
before you call bullshit right away, please stop and think about what you're saying. its insulting, i work my ass off. i've been lifting since 11 yrs old...if i were to lie about my size, dont you think i'd say i was 17 or 18 so you'd at least believe my 'ridiculous claim'? you cant just paint a picture of a scrawny 14 y/o in your mind and say, oh, no 14 year old can be that big. you see, people are different, me moreso than others i suppose..i train, eat, and sleep right. my genetics are good to great. im dedicated. and i dont think my size is anything truly special...or unreal. but is instead, a result of hard work. im nowhere near where i want to be, i have 4 years before i could start competing, if i still want to at 19..
now at this point i dont care if you believe me or not. but let me assure you, my claims are true. if i wasnt big at all, i'd be asking for help, and info, and tips, etc..but i've done lots of research and still do. i read every artice i can on nutrition and training and genetics, etc. i read studies about muscle fibers, i put the time in the gym and eating instead of playing video games and doing stupid shit and getting in trouble like all the people my age around me.
so, again. thank you.
before you call bullshit right away, please stop and think about what you're saying. its insulting, i work my ass off. i've been lifting since 11 yrs old...if i were to lie about my size, dont you think i'd say i was 17 or 18 so you'd at least believe my 'ridiculous claim'? you cant just paint a picture of a scrawny 14 y/o in your mind and say, oh, no 14 year old can be that big. you see, people are different, me moreso than others i suppose..i train, eat, and sleep right. my genetics are good to great. im dedicated. and i dont think my size is anything truly special...or unreal. but is instead, a result of hard work. im nowhere near where i want to be, i have 4 years before i could start competing, if i still want to at 19..
now at this point i dont care if you believe me or not. but let me assure you, my claims are true. if i wasnt big at all, i'd be asking for help, and info, and tips, etc..but i've done lots of research and still do. i read every artice i can on nutrition and training and genetics, etc. i read studies about muscle fibers, i put the time in the gym and eating instead of playing video games and doing stupid shit and getting in trouble like all the people my age around me.
so, again. thank you.
MarshallPenniford
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no, I would still say you're full of shit if you said you are 17 or 18. And, I think your full of it that you're actually 14.
There are probably very few people on this site at any age packing 200+lbs of LM at 5'9", and none of them would be natural. Let alone a teenager.
There are probably very few people on this site at any age packing 200+lbs of LM at 5'9", and none of them would be natural. Let alone a teenager.
It is possible to be a genetic freak...it truly is. It can not be proved till you...
1) Post a pic
2) Prove that it is you
3) We meet you.
If you can't do any of the three...why are we arguing? We are just taking everyone's word for what it is.
Threads like this one (the way that it has turned) is why we need a moderator JUST for this board. Threads like this one needs to be locked/closed/and warnings issued...etc...
Let's use our heads guys/gals and IMPROVE this board...not kill it.
B True
1) Post a pic
2) Prove that it is you
3) We meet you.
If you can't do any of the three...why are we arguing? We are just taking everyone's word for what it is.
Threads like this one (the way that it has turned) is why we need a moderator JUST for this board. Threads like this one needs to be locked/closed/and warnings issued...etc...
Let's use our heads guys/gals and IMPROVE this board...not kill it.
B True
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jeremys
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i dont have a webcam or anything like that..but if i end up at a friend's house that has one, ill try and get it up here..
and for you marshall, even if i had 18-20% bf i'd have at least 185 or so lbs of LBM..but yes, its very reasonable for you not to believe me until i post a pic. i guess we'll have to wait till then
and for you marshall, even if i had 18-20% bf i'd have at least 185 or so lbs of LBM..but yes, its very reasonable for you not to believe me until i post a pic. i guess we'll have to wait till then
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nclifter6feet6
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http://www.steroidinformation.com/sideeffects.htm
they give some info about the roid rage some of you are experiencing. oh and baldness, and talk about growth defects. oh and a picture of acne im shure a roider gets
http://www.godsofiron.com/freak.htm
they talk about the growth of facial features or that gorllia look from growth hormone, and of course we all know about that big belly look all pro bodybuilders have
http://www.bodybuilders.com/paul1.jpg
heres another liink for that real fucked up veiny look. check out this guys veins in in shoulders. im not saying i wouldnt mind having his body, but im just mainly backing up what i said in other posted about knotted up veins or freaky veins.
its too bad you guys are taking my comments so personally. i think with all the negative karma i received ill be banned very soon, dont have barely any karma left. well i have proved my point. im sorry i wont make any more silly comments i can tell you get really sensitive like women and i understand. i should get some karma back because ive backed up what i said. this karma thing is retarted by the way.
i think ive been pretty lighthearted on the name calling yet i get threats and these crazy ass negative karma messages that basically cuss me out lol.
they give some info about the roid rage some of you are experiencing. oh and baldness, and talk about growth defects. oh and a picture of acne im shure a roider gets
http://www.godsofiron.com/freak.htm
they talk about the growth of facial features or that gorllia look from growth hormone, and of course we all know about that big belly look all pro bodybuilders have
http://www.bodybuilders.com/paul1.jpg
heres another liink for that real fucked up veiny look. check out this guys veins in in shoulders. im not saying i wouldnt mind having his body, but im just mainly backing up what i said in other posted about knotted up veins or freaky veins.
its too bad you guys are taking my comments so personally. i think with all the negative karma i received ill be banned very soon, dont have barely any karma left. well i have proved my point. im sorry i wont make any more silly comments i can tell you get really sensitive like women and i understand. i should get some karma back because ive backed up what i said. this karma thing is retarted by the way.
i think ive been pretty lighthearted on the name calling yet i get threats and these crazy ass negative karma messages that basically cuss me out lol.
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nclifter6feet6
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i must admit, that was the most igonrant thing i have read all day, you should read up a bit.....kayne
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06-Jul-2002 01:20 AM Shut the fuck up, you don't juice so how the fuck would you know.
im suprised as hell i got positive karma one time. too bad it can only show a few karma messages at a time some were pretty funny.
too bad im not allowed to give an opinion on this board. but these are facts anyways and not an opinion. so you all suck big dinky dong
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06-Jul-2002 01:20 AM Shut the fuck up, you don't juice so how the fuck would you know.
im suprised as hell i got positive karma one time. too bad it can only show a few karma messages at a time some were pretty funny.
too bad im not allowed to give an opinion on this board. but these are facts anyways and not an opinion. so you all suck big dinky dong
Arioch
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NCLifter, you still have not answered the question "What about those of us who do not display those effects?"
Since I display almost none of them, does this mean I have never used AAS?
Because some people experience certain conditions secondary to AAS use, this does not mean that all people suffering from them are AAS users, nor does it mean that all AAS users suffer the same effects.
Since I display almost none of them, does this mean I have never used AAS?
Because some people experience certain conditions secondary to AAS use, this does not mean that all people suffering from them are AAS users, nor does it mean that all AAS users suffer the same effects.
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nclifter6feet6
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well arioch like i said in my second post i mentioned on the other hand sometimes you cant tell. so these effects arent for everyone but i would say about 75 percent of people at my gym i could tell if there on, if not more
another thing have you ever looked at vince mcmahan with a tanktop on. hes pretty big but he looks stupid as hell. his bonstructure looks fucked up to me, looks like his rib cage is to big for his body and he's got those bitch tits. hes big but he looks retarted. look at guys like scott steiner aka "big poppa pump" his veins are always dialated and jacked. alot of guys on juice always got jacked up veins even the smaller veins are pumped up more too.. theres a couple naturals at the gym around 5 percent bodyfat and there veins dont show NEARLY as much as a pro bodybuilder or someone on juice at 5 percent, also correct me if im wrong alot of people take eq or equipose for that veiny look.
ok um can i have my KARMA back so i dont get banned fellas, thanks needsize.
sorry about the name calling, guess it got out of hand. i just dont take many things seriously, and i thought u guys would take my comments in a more jokeing way.
another thing have you ever looked at vince mcmahan with a tanktop on. hes pretty big but he looks stupid as hell. his bonstructure looks fucked up to me, looks like his rib cage is to big for his body and he's got those bitch tits. hes big but he looks retarted. look at guys like scott steiner aka "big poppa pump" his veins are always dialated and jacked. alot of guys on juice always got jacked up veins even the smaller veins are pumped up more too.. theres a couple naturals at the gym around 5 percent bodyfat and there veins dont show NEARLY as much as a pro bodybuilder or someone on juice at 5 percent, also correct me if im wrong alot of people take eq or equipose for that veiny look.
ok um can i have my KARMA back so i dont get banned fellas, thanks needsize.
sorry about the name calling, guess it got out of hand. i just dont take many things seriously, and i thought u guys would take my comments in a more jokeing way.
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nclifter6feet6
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a lil off topic. but to thaibox
about the whole fighting thing....ive been in over 20 fights im not even shure around 20+ real fights. i dont care who you are or how big you are with barenuckles anything can happen. its alot different from thaibox with gloves. ive knocked plenty of people out with one punch to the face. ive broken a guys shoulder and collar bone and probably more shit then i know ive done on people ive fought.ive got knocked out 2 times and got my ass beat pretty BAD also before by someone smaller, and really he basically just got in those first few lucky hits that fucked me up. you see im not afraid of anyone and dont expect anyone to be afraid of me. FIGHTS ARE UNPREDICTABLE AS HEEEEELLLLLLL
about the whole fighting thing....ive been in over 20 fights im not even shure around 20+ real fights. i dont care who you are or how big you are with barenuckles anything can happen. its alot different from thaibox with gloves. ive knocked plenty of people out with one punch to the face. ive broken a guys shoulder and collar bone and probably more shit then i know ive done on people ive fought.ive got knocked out 2 times and got my ass beat pretty BAD also before by someone smaller, and really he basically just got in those first few lucky hits that fucked me up. you see im not afraid of anyone and dont expect anyone to be afraid of me. FIGHTS ARE UNPREDICTABLE AS HEEEEELLLLLLL
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Jus my voicing my opinion about fights....the better fighters I've seen, it's not unpredictable as hell. They know what they're doing, and don't fuck up so it doesn't get unpredictable. I'm referring to a good fighter fighting a brawler though, as two good fighters can be different. One might get in a lucky punch and that lucky punch from a good fighter could very well lead to the end of the fight. Last note: my opinion, so please don't think I'm blastin ya at all, 6 foot 6.
benchmonster
New member
Teen,
You nailed it. Unskilled brawlers create a very unpredictable fight. When someone is skilled and motivated, they win consistently.
Not blowing smoke here, but I have had a ton of fights both in and out of the ring. Inside the ring, I won most, but not all. Against a similarly skilled and physically gifted person, it is sometimes a coin toss, and yes, sometimes you get surprised.
But I have never come close to losing a real fight. Not even close. I also would point out that I have never fought anyone who was athletic, AND knew how to fight. Many athletic guys, many much bigger than me, but the fact that they don't know what to do means that they consistently lose.
And that goes double for a grappler. He will beat a non-skilled person nearly every time. Less chance for a lucky punch winning the fight when you are on your back, or inside the guard.
B.
You nailed it. Unskilled brawlers create a very unpredictable fight. When someone is skilled and motivated, they win consistently.
Not blowing smoke here, but I have had a ton of fights both in and out of the ring. Inside the ring, I won most, but not all. Against a similarly skilled and physically gifted person, it is sometimes a coin toss, and yes, sometimes you get surprised.
But I have never come close to losing a real fight. Not even close. I also would point out that I have never fought anyone who was athletic, AND knew how to fight. Many athletic guys, many much bigger than me, but the fact that they don't know what to do means that they consistently lose.
And that goes double for a grappler. He will beat a non-skilled person nearly every time. Less chance for a lucky punch winning the fight when you are on your back, or inside the guard.
B.
Let's use our heads guys/gals and IMPROVE this board...not kill it.
B True
B True
nclifter6feet6:
You talk about getting Karma as well as one even being positive karma...yet you do not send karma to anyone (even the person who sent you positive karma), then you come here and ask for karma so you can stick around...????
You state your opinions as facts. Please understand that you opinions are not facts. And NO...I am not interested in sucking "big dinky dong"...lol
B True
You talk about getting Karma as well as one even being positive karma...yet you do not send karma to anyone (even the person who sent you positive karma), then you come here and ask for karma so you can stick around...????
You state your opinions as facts. Please understand that you opinions are not facts. And NO...I am not interested in sucking "big dinky dong"...lol
B True
MarshallPenniford
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How the heck do you guys manage to get in so many fights?
Thaibox
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nclifter6feet6 said:
Is this suppose to impress me? I hate guys that make posts like this, and have always avoided it, but I'm tired and in a bad mood, so I guess I can be an immature tough guy too. I've been in umm....hundreds of fights. Trained in several arts since age 7(27 now). I've fought sanctioned, non-sanctioned(way before MMA became popular, and no 'gloves' slick), amateur and pro in both Thai and NHB(very proud of my record in both). Waiting to overcome an injury so I can start MMA again. I teach Close Quarter Combat at a bodygaurding school. Fighting is the only thing I've ever been any good at, so I have drowned myself in it religiously my whole life. I haven't been in many "street fights" however, because I'm not an asshole like you. I've controlled many more situations than I have had to resolve. I prefer it that way. If I never get into another street fight again, I'd be fine with that. I wouldn't brag about being in so many street fights if I were you. That simply means you don't have self-discipline. I also teach philosophy, so I have become more into finding peace rather than seeking violence. Hopefully you'll grow up someday.
Now let this stupid thread die.
Agreed, I apologize for adding to the slaughter of it. Just wanted to clear things up for the tough guy. Let it drop
Thaibox
New member
Just a quick story for 6feet6
The few fights that had to happen, I wasn't proud of, and I felt badly afterward. But, I was once at a party where a pretty big dude was drunk as hell and started braking shit(someone else's house) Someone told him to chill and he knocked them cold. I could have put him down hard and been the "cool guy" of the night. But, I walked over, locked him up, put his face in the floor and told him he could either go to the ICU or have a drink with me and tell me why he's being an asshole. I thought I'd have to put him down. Turns out, he just caught his fiancee cheating on him. Also, two weeks earlier his sister was raped. He turned out to be a really stand up guy, just in a bad time. We drank together that night and became friends. I still keep in touch with him and his new wife today. Making friends is where its at, anyone can beat people up(the average person can't fight). Anyway, just felt that that was relevant. Sorry. I'll let it fall now.
The few fights that had to happen, I wasn't proud of, and I felt badly afterward. But, I was once at a party where a pretty big dude was drunk as hell and started braking shit(someone else's house) Someone told him to chill and he knocked them cold. I could have put him down hard and been the "cool guy" of the night. But, I walked over, locked him up, put his face in the floor and told him he could either go to the ICU or have a drink with me and tell me why he's being an asshole. I thought I'd have to put him down. Turns out, he just caught his fiancee cheating on him. Also, two weeks earlier his sister was raped. He turned out to be a really stand up guy, just in a bad time. We drank together that night and became friends. I still keep in touch with him and his new wife today. Making friends is where its at, anyone can beat people up(the average person can't fight). Anyway, just felt that that was relevant. Sorry. I'll let it fall now.
Thibox,
I agree that the pinnacle of martial art is avoiding fights.
However, do not be so hard on the guys who street-fight often - really often it is unavoidable - it all depends on the setting.
As I remember, after 18 I had only 3 street fights - once I had to kick ass of my girlfriends classmate who wanted to rape her in front of me; once my dog barked on some local "cool guy's" younger brother and that bustard wanted me to fight with him one-on-one (in front of two armed bodyguards) - he did not accept my appologies; and once my ass was kicked when my babe owed some money to a local gang and refused to pay.
For last 4 years I am avoiding all fights, but I used to have other guys fight for me - just because fights are unpredictable, you know .
I agree that the pinnacle of martial art is avoiding fights.
However, do not be so hard on the guys who street-fight often - really often it is unavoidable - it all depends on the setting.
As I remember, after 18 I had only 3 street fights - once I had to kick ass of my girlfriends classmate who wanted to rape her in front of me; once my dog barked on some local "cool guy's" younger brother and that bustard wanted me to fight with him one-on-one (in front of two armed bodyguards) - he did not accept my appologies; and once my ass was kicked when my babe owed some money to a local gang and refused to pay.
For last 4 years I am avoiding all fights, but I used to have other guys fight for me - just because fights are unpredictable, you know
.6feet6 my diagnosis is that you either suffer from acromegaly or delusion of grandeur...
Both diseases are caused by your hypothalamus that hast lost homeostatic control because of adolescense and the hormonal shift (sometimes the hypothalamus is being offset due to a small tumour nearby, have that checked!)
Actually I know a guy in my hood that has acromegaly and at age 15 he was like 2 metres high and 100 kg. Funny you see him play soccer with his tiny schoolcomrades and despite his size he is damn fast at getting the ball as he already played football every day before the acromegaly set in and he could retain his skills.
I didn't tell him that he would be megatalented for bodybuilding otherwise this guy would be 115 kg in one year time naturally and make feel fucking scrawny in my gym (hey I am no angel)
But, if it aint acromegaly but rather
delusion of grandeur than it would be a good time to have your frontal lobes removed with the patented "icepick methode"
Both diseases are caused by your hypothalamus that hast lost homeostatic control because of adolescense and the hormonal shift (sometimes the hypothalamus is being offset due to a small tumour nearby, have that checked!)
Actually I know a guy in my hood that has acromegaly and at age 15 he was like 2 metres high and 100 kg. Funny you see him play soccer with his tiny schoolcomrades and despite his size he is damn fast at getting the ball as he already played football every day before the acromegaly set in and he could retain his skills.
I didn't tell him that he would be megatalented for bodybuilding otherwise this guy would be 115 kg in one year time naturally and make feel fucking scrawny in my gym (hey I am no angel)
But, if it aint acromegaly but rather
delusion of grandeur than it would be a good time to have your frontal lobes removed with the patented "icepick methode"
Thaibox
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pepelaz
I understand that some fights are unavoidable, and some necessary. Some people need their ass beat hard(like the prick that threatened your girl). However, 6feet6 is 21. Do you really think he has come upon 20+ circumstances of this sort, or is he just an ass? Or is he just making it up to make himself feel cool? Either way, I suppose it doesn't matter, this is a training board, not an ethics board or a drama board.
I understand that some fights are unavoidable, and some necessary. Some people need their ass beat hard(like the prick that threatened your girl). However, 6feet6 is 21. Do you really think he has come upon 20+ circumstances of this sort, or is he just an ass? Or is he just making it up to make himself feel cool? Either way, I suppose it doesn't matter, this is a training board, not an ethics board or a drama board.
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even if i was 20% bf, i'd still have over 190 LBM..and i'm sure i'm not over 18%...who knows, maybe i'm 5'10 now, and maybe i weigh 230 some..
but i could post an updated height and weight tonight ..maybe theres a way for me to test bf% tonight too...but if i do post, like b said, you'll have to take my word for what it is...and im sure that wont be easy because of the knocks i've gotten already. ill get a pic as soon as i can but it could be a couple days, months, who knows..maybe a year
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teen1216 said:
I trained under Vance McNeal, he called his system American Karate, it was decended from Go Ju, but his instructor was very innovative and was smart enough to steal good techniques from a number of other styles, and Vance was smart enough to continue the trend.
We were encouraged to explore other fighting systems, as well, and spent a good deal of time working on new manuevers we had seen or heard about in an effort to see what works. We spent a lot of time ground fighting, and learning street techniques. Including a lot of time on eye and throut gouges, monkey paw and knife and other practical weapons training.
I was very lucky to find a person who was genuinely interested in fighting and training fighters, and not someone interested in charging a bunch of money for "tests". When we were skilled enough to enter the next higher division in open full contact tournaments and do well there, then we were given our next belt.
If you could fight with the brown belts after a year or 2 of training, then you were a brown belt. If you could only hang with white belts, then that is what you wore.
During this time I was in college, and was a bouncer in several bars. So on top of the fighting I did in the ring, and in training, I was constantly revising my technique and toughness under real life conditions. I am not a very big guy, and could not win many fights with my looks, like many larger statured guys could. Therefore I ended up in more than my share of fights, becuase a 250 lb guy rarely wants to listen to a 185 lb guy tell him to hit the road. (I am 225 now, but was 185 back then)
I realize this is way off topic now, but I try to answer questions posed to me. Hope this helps.
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nclifter6feet6
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to taihbox and your followers....
listen dont turn this silly fighting crap around me your the one that wanted show how tuff you were if i said the things i said to anyones face here...fuckin whiney ass hoe lol fight me over how i distinguish a juicer you baby lol.ive been fairly humerous or just joking with you guys through the whole thread then i get stupid ass karma messages and thaibox clown that takes my comments a lil to seriously.
you should really lay off the roids. i bet your pretty pissed i got evendence that backs up my claims on how i distinguist juicers. you should pay extra special attention on the "roid rage" link.
on a side note. i fought because i had to alot stupid race clashing in durham gangs drugs violence is common.
so lay of the juice pal and calm your angry ass down feeewl
listen dont turn this silly fighting crap around me your the one that wanted show how tuff you were if i said the things i said to anyones face here...fuckin whiney ass hoe lol fight me over how i distinguish a juicer you baby lol.ive been fairly humerous or just joking with you guys through the whole thread then i get stupid ass karma messages and thaibox clown that takes my comments a lil to seriously.
you should really lay off the roids. i bet your pretty pissed i got evendence that backs up my claims on how i distinguist juicers. you should pay extra special attention on the "roid rage" link.
on a side note. i fought because i had to alot stupid race clashing in durham gangs drugs violence is common.
so lay of the juice pal and calm your angry ass down feeewl
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Kid Dynamite
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This thread should be locked.
Can we say that wee need better moderation on this board?
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nclifter6feet6
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yes it shouldve been locked when thaibox started getting violent.
but i merely proved my point on hear on how to distinguish a juicer i guess everyone is still pissed. have a nice day yall
but i merely proved my point on hear on how to distinguish a juicer i guess everyone is still pissed. have a nice day yall
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