How To Choose the Right HRT Clinic

[Discreet User]

How soon after your last shot was the blood drawn?

Blood was drawn two days after my last shot of 200mg

I pin 200mg 2 x per week

I should also mention my stats:
Age: 22
Height: 5'07"
Weight 168lb
Body Fat: 12%

Goals:
Keep body fat under 15%.
Lean bulk.
Maintain sex drive and vigor as I have seen them both improve with TRT.

I have very low T for my age. I once tested 204 for serum testosterone after not sleeping the whole night before the blood draw.

I consider my baseline serum Testosterone to be 468 ng/dl | Reference interval 280-800. 468 was my number under optimal conditions.

 

[pbhardbody]

Reposting as this was getting buried

Baseline 7/1/2010:
Serum testosterone: 468 ng/dl | Reference interval 280-800

Free testosterone: 14.8 pg/ml | Reference interval 9.3-26.5

Week 5 of cycle (8/5/10), Test Cypionate 400mg/week & Arimidex .5mg EOD:
Serum testosterone: >1500 ng/dl | Reference interval 280-800. Flagged as high. Testing method could not read greater than 1500, therefore we only know that it is greater than 1500 ng/dl.

Free testosterone: 50.4 pg/ml | Reference interval 9.3-26.5

Estradiol: 38.4 pg/ml | Reference interval 7.6-42.6

Luteinizing Hormone (LH): 0.1 mIU/ml | Reference interval 1.7-8.6

Lipid panel looks good. Cholestorol, HDL, LDL, Triglicerides, are all within their respective reference intervals.

Unfortunately, there was a mixup regarding my baseline labs, that is why some of the tests are missing for baseline.

My plan going forward:
1. Complete this first TRT cycle of 10 weeks Test Cyp 400mg/week.
2. Use hcg during weeks 9 & 10, then complete a PCT and time off.
3. Convince doctor to prescribe nandrolone for my next cycle {SUGGESTIONS PLEASE}.
4. Convince doctor to prescribe hcg for use on cycle, instead of just for PCT. HMG PERHAPS??? {SUGGESTIONS PLEASE}
5. Once I have been on nandrolone + Test, then decide whether I will continue cycling, or just stay on.

Hey Discreet - I'm really surprised that your serum test made that big a jump in 5 weeks. That's great. You are responding well.

I cant remember if you are doing an AI or SERM... seems you said .5 mg of arimidex. Your Estradiol is a little bit high. Still within range but a more optimum number would be about 23. If you are taking one arimidex a week, taking a second one on next cycle should help to keep it just a bit lower. Especially if you add deca, which can up your estrogen.

Adding the HCG to the next cycle will help to get your LH up a bit too.

What does he have you doing for a PCT?

 

[Zyglamail]

Hey Discreet - I'm really surprised that your serum test made that big a jump in 5 weeks. That's great. You are responding well.

My guess would be its partially due to his size. His dose would hit someone 225+ quite as much.

 

[pbhardbody]

My guess would be its partially due to his size. His dose would hit someone 225+ quite as much.

Good point.

 

[Discreet User]

Hey Discreet - I'm really surprised that your serum test made that big a jump in 5 weeks. That's great. You are responding well.

I cant remember if you are doing an AI or SERM... seems you said .5 mg of arimidex. Your Estradiol is a little bit high. Still within range but a more optimum number would be about 23. If you are taking one arimidex a week, taking a second one on next cycle should help to keep it just a bit lower. Especially if you add deca, which can up your estrogen.

Adding the HCG to the next cycle will help to get your LH up a bit too.

What does he have you doing for a PCT?

Yes, I was definitely surprised and enjoyed seeing my Test level so high

I'm on Arimidex .5mg EOD and Test Cyp 400mg/week split up two shots per week.

Regarding estradiol; I find my number of 38.4 quite interesting because most people would assume that .5mg Arimidex EOD would keep my estradiol much lower. Before posting these numbers many people recommended that I actually reduce my Arimidex dose. I'm definitely not noticing any estrogen sides, so I'm not concerned. My water retention is a bit high, not really noticeable though.

My stats just as a reminder:
Age: 22
Height: 5'07"
Weight 170lb (Gaining quality mass)
Body Fat: 12%

For PCT: HCG at the end of cycle, with Nolva as PCT.

What do you bros say about HMG? Should I push my doctor for HMG in addition to HCG?

 

[layinback]

Yes, I was definitely surprised and enjoyed seeing my Test level so high

I'm on Arimidex .5mg EOD and Test Cyp 400mg/week split up two shots per week.

Regarding estradiol; I find my number of 38.4 quite interesting because most people would assume that .5mg Arimidex EOD would keep my estradiol much lower. Before posting these numbers many people recommended that I actually reduce my Arimidex dose. I'm definitely not noticing any estrogen sides, so I'm not concerned. My water retention is a bit high, not really noticeable though.

My stats just as a reminder:
Age: 22
Height: 5'07"
Weight 170lb (Gaining quality mass)
Body Fat: 12%

For PCT: HCG at the end of cycle, with Nolva as PCT.

What do you bros say about HMG? Should I push my doctor for HMG in addition to HCG?

i don't have any personal experience with HMG, but it would offer you no
additional benifits.......almost redundant.

and don't do nolva for PCT! since you have a Doc, get a script for aromasin.
take 25mgs every day for the first week and 25mgs every other day for the
next 3 weeks. add nolva only if you see definite signs of gyno.

aromasin is a 3rd generation suicidal aromatase inhibitor. it works better than
adex with fewer sides. it has some anabolic tendencies and will actually
contribute to keeping gains and adding lean mass! it'll have your endogenous
production up in no time.

 

[Discreet User]

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i don't have any personal experience with HMG, but it would offer you no
additional benifits.......almost redundant.

and don't do nolva for PCT! since you have a Doc, get a script for aromasin.
take 25mgs every day for the first week and 25mgs every other day for the
next 3 weeks. add nolva only if you see definite signs of gyno.

aromasin is a 3rd generation suicidal aromatase inhibitor. it works better than
adex with fewer sides. it has some anabolic tendencies and will actually
contribute to keeping gains and adding lean mass! it'll have your endogenous
production up in no time.

Thanks Layinback!
Thats the kind of solid advice I was hoping for. I will definitely request the Aromasin.

It looks like I will be receiving my HCG script in week 8 or 9 of this 10 week cycle.

What's your advice for HCG use?
I was thinking maybe pin 500iu 2x per week for weeks 9, 10 & 11.

That would mean I have HCG in my system during the last 2 weeks + 1 week into PCT

 

[layinback]

Thanks Layinback!
Thats the kind of solid advice I was hoping for. I will definitely request the Aromasin.

It looks like I will be receiving my HCG script in week 8 or 9 of this 10 week cycle.

What's your advice for HCG use?
I was thinking maybe pin 500iu 2x per week for weeks 9, 10 & 11.

That would mean I have HCG in my system during the last 2 weeks + 1 week into PCT

omega turned me on to aromasin about a year and a half ago.

as far as HCG there's differing opinions. i would go on line and research proven
protocols conducted by experienced endo - HRT docs.

 

[Discreet User]

omega turned me on to aromasin about a year and a half ago.

as far as HCG there's differing opinions. i would go on line and research proven
protocols conducted by experienced endo - HRT docs.

Update-

I'm now in week 9 of a total 10.

Saw the doc last week and picked up a script for aromasin to use as pct.
I Have Nolvadex on hand just in case it is needed.

Also picked up HCG; pinning 500iu 3 x per week. Have done 3 shots thus far and the boys are definitely responding

 

[pbhardbody]

Update-

I'm now in week 9 of a total 10.

Saw the doc last week and picked up a script for aromasin to use as pct.
I Have Nolvadex on hand just in case it is needed.

Also picked up HCG; pinning 500iu 3 x per week. Have done 3 shots thus far and the boys are definitely responding

Discreet - did your doc do more blood work to establish where your natty test level is, to come up with that protocol or is he guessing again?

A trial tested protocol, (that has documentation for the results it gets)is the Crisler HCG Protocol IMO. 250 ius two days, and one day before one of your weekly test injections is both optimal timing, and the optimal amount.

Perhaps your doc has you running 500 ius 3 xs a week because he didnt have you running throughout your test therapy and he should have...

If you want, PM me and tell me what he has suggested as your PCT.