How many of you use/used insulin & why?

[GUARDIAN]

I am curious now after this topic was brought up in Nelson's 25 misconception thread.

1) What were results?
2) Did you use it with or without HGH?
3) Would you do it again?
4) What prompted you to try it in the first place?

 

[get456]

I only know one person personally that has used it for any length of time. Well trained, and lean guy, i actually asked him about it the other day he said he wouldnt do it again. The timing of basically EVERYTHING you eat he said was the biggest factor that stopped him from wanting to do it again. He also said he saw minimal results and was on quite a bit of other stuff at the time... I believe Var, Tren Ace, Prop...

It takes a lot of work to use it to good effect but it seems like it HAS to make an impact... And I am under the impression that used properly it should have no impact on long term insulin resistance...?

 

[GUARDIAN]

I only know one person personally that has used it for any length of time. Well trained, and lean guy, i actually asked him about it the other day he said he wouldnt do it again. The timing of basically EVERYTHING you eat he said was the biggest factor that stopped him from wanting to do it again. He also said he saw minimal results and was on quite a bit of other stuff at the time... I believe Var, Tren Ace, Prop...

It takes a lot of work to use it to good effect but it seems like it HAS to make an impact... And I am under the impression that used properly it should have no impact on long term insulin resistance...?

I have wondered this myself. I am going to do another search in peer review articles. I doubt I will find anything. But I have yet to hear of an official case study of a bodybuilder that has become insulin resistant.

 

[get456]

ya know wat I think it more likely to make you insulin resistant??

Shoving fucking ho-hos and pepsi down ur throat by the pound and gallon...

Like most things I think the risk of nearly EVERY bb'ing substance is WAY overrated.

 

[GUARDIAN]

The underlying causes of insulin-resistant states can be categorized as follows:

Prereceptor

Abnormal insulin (mutations)

Anti-insulin antibodies
Receptor

Decreased number of receptors (mainly, failure to activate tyrosine kinase)

Reduced binding of insulin

Insulin receptor mutations

Insulin receptor–blocking antibodies
Postreceptor

Defective signal transduction

Mutations of GLUT4 (In theory, these mutations could cause insulin resistance, but polymorphisms in the GLUT4 gene are rare.)

Combinations of defects are common. Obesity is associated mainly with postreceptor abnormality and is also associated with a decreased number of insulin receptors.

Obesity is the most common cause of insulin resistance.

Source: Samuel T Olatunbosun, MD, Physician, Internal Medicine

 

[Mavafanculo]

I'll say the same thing here I said in re DNP.

Why would someone who isnt competing at an advanced level with big bucks in prizes and sponsorships on the line risk one dose death?

The audience at EF is primarily beginner and intermediate level BB'ers. Top pro's arent coming here for advice on how to use insulin, young BB'ers are. AND WE AS A SITE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE ITS USE IN THAT DEMO.

When you're close to maxing on juice assisted gains and then juice + GH, and you're a hi-stakes competitor, then think about insulin.

For most, consider that its more likely to get you fat dead or diabetic than diesel.

If your calculations are off a bit, or you forget to bring along your sugar fix you could end up in a coma, maybe with brain damage, maybe dead.

Or if they're off in the other direction you end up looking Pig-like.

Imagine, some of the sites advise wearing a Medic-Alert Bracelet in case you go unconscious and someone finds you.

FOR WHAT?

p.s. my guess on the mechanism for long-term problems would be downregulation of insulin receptors to try to deal with the insulin flood (or reduced signal transduction). Then when you remove the extra insulin, psysiological endogenous amounts results in the equivilent of insulin resistence and the pancreas needs to pump out higher and higher amounts to adeqautely clear glucose from the blood. after a while the pancreas give out. same process as type II diabetes, except self-induced.


Just not worth the risks for 99% of the EF bodybuilding community

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[the_alcatraz]

I'll say the same thing here I said in re DNP.

Why would someone who isnt competing at an advanced level with big bucks in prizes and sponsorships on the line risk one dose death?

The audience at EF is primarily beginner and intermediate level BB'ers. Top pro's arent coming here for advice on how to use insulin, young BB'ers are. AND WE AS A SITE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE ITS USE IN THAT DEMO.

When you're close to maxing on juice assisted gains and then juice + GH, and you're a hi-stakes competitor, then think about insulin.

For most, consider that its more likely to get you fat dead or diabetic than diesel.

If your calculations are off a bit, or you forget to bring along your sugar fix you could end up in a coma, maybe with brain damage, maybe dead.

Or if they're off in the other direction you end up looking Pig-like.

Imagine, some of the sites advise wearing a Medic-Alert Bracelet in case you go unconscious and someone finds you.

FOR WHAT?

p.s. my guess on the mechanism for long-term problems would be downregulation of insulin receptors to try to deal with the insulin flood (or reduced signal transduction). Then when you remove the extra insulin, psysiological endogenous amounts results in the equivilent of insulin resistence and the pancreas needs to pump out higher and higher amounts to adeqautely clear glucose from the blood. after a while the pancreas give out. same process as type II diabetes, except self-induced.


Just not worth the risks for 99% of the EF bodybuilding community

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That is some scary shit Mav. Good post though. It'll keep the noobs from pumpin insulin like it's B12.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Good points as always hence my questions and curiosity to those to do use it.

now u have scared away all my research subjects that do use it from posting

I'll say the same thing here I said in re DNP.

Why would someone who isnt competing at an advanced level with big bucks in prizes and sponsorships on the line risk one dose death?

The audience at EF is primarily beginner and intermediate level BB'ers. Top pro's arent coming here for advice on how to use insulin, young BB'ers are. AND WE AS A SITE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE ITS USE IN THAT DEMO.

When you're close to maxing on juice assisted gains and then juice + GH, and you're a hi-stakes competitor, then think about insulin.

For most, consider that its more likely to get you fat dead or diabetic than diesel.

If your calculations are off a bit, or you forget to bring along your sugar fix you could end up in a coma, maybe with brain damage, maybe dead.

Or if they're off in the other direction you end up looking Pig-like.

Imagine, some of the sites advise wearing a Medic-Alert Bracelet in case you go unconscious and someone finds you.

FOR WHAT?

p.s. my guess on the mechanism for long-term problems would be downregulation of insulin receptors to try to deal with the insulin flood (or reduced signal transduction). Then when you remove the extra insulin, psysiological endogenous amounts results in the equivilent of insulin resistence and the pancreas needs to pump out higher and higher amounts to adeqautely clear glucose from the blood. after a while the pancreas give out. same process as type II diabetes, except self-induced.


Just not worth the risks for 99% of the EF bodybuilding community

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[Mavafanculo]

Good points as always hence my questions and curiosity to those to do use it.

now u have scared away all my research subjects that do use it from posting

Mission Accomplished lol.


lets go talk about tren instead

 

[smoke67]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I see no point in trying something that can go very wrong if you do not know what you are doing. In my profession, I see what insulin and bad timing on eating can do at least three times a week. I have known guys that do it along with GH but not me!!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I see no point in trying something that can go very wrong if you do not know what you are doing. In my profession, I see what insulin and bad timing on eating can do at least three times a week. I have known guys that do it along with GH but not me!!!

Please elaborate more. I want to hear this kind of stuff.

 

[get456]

Insulin also doesnt magically make u fat Mava...

Eat fat= get fat

no fat= dont get fat

very simple

Everything else I agree with... think its a pain to do ED or EOD inject with prop or ace... how about having to monitor your carb intake practically to the fuckin gram for HOURS

that is exactly why my buddy said he wouldnt do it again

Oh and I believe he was using Humalog, which is one of the fastest insulins available. I think there is ONE faster but its hard to get... someone correct me if im wrong there

 

[mrperfect]

I have used it 3 times a week for about three weeks and I loved it. But I also did my research and knew what I was doing. I had a diet that I ate on slin days. Carbs and protein. NO fat. It is dagerous and not for beginners!

 

[GUARDIAN]

Humalog(cleared 1.5-3 hours after injection) or Humulin-R(cleared 6-8 hours after injection)

Insulin also doesnt magically make u fat Mava...

Eat fat= get fat

no fat= dont get fat

very simple

Everything else I agree with... think its a pain to do ED or EOD inject with prop or ace... how about having to monitor your carb intake practically to the fuckin gram for HOURS

that is exactly why my buddy said he wouldnt do it again

Oh and I believe he was using Humalog, which is one of the fastest insulins available. I think there is ONE faster but its hard to get... someone correct me if im wrong there

 

[mephisto250]

I think what makes it attractive to some users is how easy it is to get. You don't need a source for Humulin-R because you can walk into any pharmacy and ask for it without a prescription, and you know it's legit. That will probably change if enough people use it a recreational manner, however. Also, you can travel with it because nobody suspects anything.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Insulin also doesnt magically make u fat Mava...

Eat fat= get fat

no fat= dont get fat

very simple

not true. overdo the carbs (which many do in order to avoid the risk of hypoglycemic coma, or because of miscalculation) and the excess will be stored as fat.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Eat fat= get fat

no fat= dont get fat

very simple

Interesting (incorrect) theory!

 

[yourmomgoestocollege]

I think what makes it attractive to some users is how easy it is to get. You don't need a source for Humulin-R because you can walk into any pharmacy and ask for it without a prescription, and you know it's legit. That will probably change if enough people use it a recreational manner, however. Also, you can travel with it because nobody suspects anything.

I don't think you are correct about walking into a pharmacy and getting Humulin-R. At least I don't think you can do that here in Michigan.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I don't think you are correct about walking into a pharmacy and getting Humulin-R. At least I don't think you can do that here in Michigan.

same way here. u need a script for it, at least at the pharmacy.

 

[bigpimpin25]

i have used it 4 days a week for 6 weeks pwo. 10i.u. with some simple carbs and a protein shake . used the humalog insulin pen.
worked good

 

[smoke67]

not true. overdo the carbs (which many do in order to avoid the risk of hypoglycemic coma, or because of miscalculation) and the excess will be stored as fat.

Yes, and go to low on the carbs and wind up cold sweaty and out like a light.
Go to long is this state and die.

I am not saying that it cant be used and be benificial. I am saying that 99% of people do not know how to use it and the dangers out weigh the benifits.

My 2 cents

 

[smoke67]

Please elaborate more. I want to hear this kind of stuff.

At least three times a week, I see diabetics that take their insulin and either do not eat or eat to late. They start off acting drunk, then into a altered mental status, then uncon. Then its an IV and some sugar to get them back. I have even seen people pass out behind the wheel.
Some may argue that a normal persons blood sugar will not get low enough to go out BUT if the insulin dose is to large and enough carbs are not consumed it can have the same effect.

 

[the_alcatraz]

i have used it 4 days a week for 6 weeks pwo. 10i.u. with some simple carbs and a protein shake . used the humalog insulin pen.
worked good

Are you a pro competing bodybuilder?

 

[mephisto250]

I don't think you are correct about walking into a pharmacy and getting Humulin-R. At least I don't think you can do that here in Michigan.

The only state requiring a Rx for regular (R) insulin is Alaska; however, all insulin analogues require a Rx in all states. Without going into my wife's background, she says she sees it all the time

<edit>
Humulin R: Manufacturer/Pricing

Manufacturer: Eli Lilly and Co.
DEA/FDA: OTC
Approximate Retail Price
solution:
* 100 unit/ml (1 vial, 10 ml): $46.25
solution:
* 500 unit/ml (1 vial, 20 ml): $217.61

I got this from epocrates, which many doctors and nurses use to look up medication information.
https://online.epocrates.com/u/10a1716/Humulin+R

 

[get456]

Interesting (incorrect) theory!

Incorrect at what point?

throwing down 300 extra grams of carbs... well yah, but it is not a difficult formula to calculate... just like in your normal diet...

Excess is excess true enough, but like I said, it wont just magically make you fat...

PROPER carb/protein intake, and no fat, means you dont get fat, easy enough

 

[goku_kakarot77]

bump

this is an interesting thread

 

[GUARDIAN]

but pharmacies can regulate themselves and hold a higher standard than the state with such things as syringes and insulin. though it may not be required by state law a pharmacy can require it to protect themselves.

The only state requiring a Rx for regular (R) insulin is Alaska; however, all insulin analogues require a Rx in all states. Without going into my wife's background, she says she sees it all the time

<edit>
Humulin R: Manufacturer/Pricing

Manufacturer: Eli Lilly and Co.
DEA/FDA: OTC
Approximate Retail Price
solution:
* 100 unit/ml (1 vial, 10 ml): $46.25
solution:
* 500 unit/ml (1 vial, 20 ml): $217.61

I got this from epocrates, which many doctors and nurses use to look up medication information.
https://online.epocrates.com/u/10a1716/Humulin+R

 

[mephisto250]

but pharmacies can regulate themselves and hold a higher standard than the state with such things as syringes and insulin. though it may not be required by state law a pharmacy can require it to protect themselves.

That, my friend, is very true. This is especially true when it comes to pins, and many of the states that allow for unfettered hum-R sales do not allow slin pin sales. I also take for granted that not everybody lives in a large city with 1000 pharmacies available to "shop."

If you do try, maybe you could make yourself look a little more "diabetic"

I have a fresh bottle of hum-R, but I'm too chicken to do it.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i could get it if i want. i just dont want. this was merely for 1st hand experience from people in the trenches and not in the labs. this has become very informative.

That, my friend, is very true. This is especially true when it comes to pins, and many of the states that allow for unfettered hum-R sales do not allow slin pin sales. I also take for granted that not everybody lives in a large city with 1000 pharmacies available to "shop."

If you do try, maybe you could make yourself look a little more "diabetic"

I have a fresh bottle of hum-R, but I'm too chicken to do it.

 

[cuts82]

but pharmacies can regulate themselves and hold a higher standard than the state with such things as syringes and insulin. though it may not be required by state law a pharmacy can require it to protect themselves.

Over here you can basically walk into a pharmacy and tell them that your diabetic and have no insulin and 90% of the time they will give it to you.. but they wont give you humalog only the humalin-r or an even longer acting one.

From what i have heard the best protocol is to use a 3day on 3 off then repeat because your body becomes so full of glucogen after a couple of days using so I been told this works well.

Also i am interested how many of iu's (equivalent) of insulin you can produce naturally by spiking with high gi carbs(WAXY, DEXTROSE)? that would be interesting

 

[airsmith2k]

im doin 5 ius postworkout but im also doin 8 ius of hgh and 25mcg of t-3 along with test and eq.... i think i can eat watever i want im not gonna get fat...ive only been doin the insulin like 2 weeks now it does suck havin to watch ur blood sugar tho....some days i dont even shoot it because i dont feel like dealing with it

 

[Mavafanculo]

At least three times a week, I see diabetics that take their insulin and either do not eat or eat to late. They start off acting drunk, then into a altered mental status, then uncon. Then its an IV and some sugar to get them back. I have even seen people pass out behind the wheel.
Some may argue that a normal persons blood sugar will not get low enough to go out BUT if the insulin dose is to large and enough carbs are not consumed it can have the same effect.

and it does. there are many documented cases, and a multiple of those undocumented.

the end.