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How do you know when you have reached your natural limit?

I was just thinking about this. I ask because I have been training on and off since high school. In high school I worked out for varsity athletics. Back then I did a lot of compound excercises such as bench, squats, deads, power cleanss, etc.

After high school when I went to college I got into weightlifting even more so. When I started I had forgotten what my routine was in high school so I kind of re-invented my training methods. This was about 5 years ago.

I didn't get really dedicated until about two years ago. I finally started being more serious about legs and cardio. I have also learned a lot about diet and nutrition.

In high school I was about 165. College I was about 180 and now I am almost 200 lbs. I'm only about 5'9 so I am kind of short and stocky. For the past year I have been hovering around this weight so it got me to thinking how much more I can progress naturally. I bust ass in the gym but gains are coming really slowly. It's hard to put on muscle while keeping body fat down.

What is everyone's opinion? How much more should I expect to gain naturally?
 
bigdofba said:
I was just thinking about this. I ask because I have been training on and off since high school. In high school I worked out for varsity athletics. Back then I did a lot of compound excercises such as bench, squats, deads, power cleanss, etc.

After high school when I went to college I got into weightlifting even more so. When I started I had forgotten what my routine was in high school so I kind of re-invented my training methods. This was about 5 years ago.

I didn't get really dedicated until about two years ago. I finally started being more serious about legs and cardio. I have also learned a lot about diet and nutrition.

In high school I was about 165. College I was about 180 and now I am almost 200 lbs. I'm only about 5'9 so I am kind of short and stocky. For the past year I have been hovering around this weight so it got me to thinking how much more I can progress naturally. I bust ass in the gym but gains are coming really slowly. It's hard to put on muscle while keeping body fat down.

What is everyone's opinion? How much more should I expect to gain naturally?

5'9" 200 is solid bro. My firend from HS is 5'9" 190 and looks like he's 210. He's very solid. I'm 220-225 at 6'2" and for my genetics, that is pushing it. Before I started lifting dedicated I would hover around 175, but since I was active i was lean and always have been. I have gained close to 40 lbs of good mass in the last 2 years, with getting extremely sick and dropping to 160 at one point for 6'2" I looked like a skeleton. I just hopped back on the iron bandwagon and kept at it.

To actually tell anyone how big you can get naturally is pure speculation really. Some are huge without ever touching the weights, like lots of black guys. Some are pre-disposed to being skinny and weak like myself, although I have come to conquer that with hard work.

if you aren't gaining 1 solid pound every 2 months, and you really are working your ass off, dieting clean, switchin it up, and keepin it real, it may mean youre nearing your end of potential. You could always try some Cell-tech, lol.

Honestly, when people say "Wait til your maxed out natty before gear" is a crock I think. Not one person who has ever done gear waited til they were maxed out, or even relatively close.

Genetic potential is defined, but defining that potential is extremely hard to speculate upon.
 
I'm 5'5", and if my diet and training are on point, I can usually maintain around 175-180lbs with about 10%bf without any gear. However, I think that things like muscular hyperplasia due to tren and mainly L-IGF1-R3, have helped me "reset" my genetic max a little higher.
 
there is no way to actually know. you here people say wait til you have reached your genetic potential. well how are you going to know what that is. your not.
 
If you're over 25, have learned all there is to learn, trained as hard as you can train for over 5 years, tried all the best supplementation and haven't made any gains in the last year.
 
There is know way to tell. in my opinion, if your diet is spot on, and your training is spot on, and you are at least in your early tweties and have already made a lot of natural gains, you cant go wrong with educated aas use. Disagree if you want, but thats what i believe.
 
natural limit . please. i'm 5'8'' and 220 and i'm 18 years old . fuck genetics fuck limits . don't worry bout it just do it niggs
 
bigpimpin25 said:
natural limit . please. i'm 5'8'' and 220 and i'm 18 years old . fuck genetics fuck limits . don't worry bout it just do it niggs


I don't follow. Just do roids? Is that what you're saying? At 18 years old, that's a piss poor attitude about drug use.
 
bigpimpin25 said:
natural limit . please. i'm 5'8'' and 220 and i'm 18 years old . fuck genetics fuck limits . don't worry bout it just do it niggs


a simply profound and insightful post--i see greats thigs in your future--

now let.s pracice together "caan i take your order please" "do you want fries with that." repeat
 
I don't think I ever reached my genetic limit before taking the plunge and I regret that. I could have fine tuned my physique a lot more naturally, and thus would have been better in tune with my body before my first cycle.

I was 17, yes 17 when I did my first cycle. I was a junior in high school, but from my freshman year to my junior year I went from 175 to 225, but I think I added a large amount of body fat. I then did a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle, and ballooned up to 260 in 8 weeks, and then cut immediately after and looked pretty good at 240.

Don't know what the point of all that was, basically, my opinion is if your training/diet is in order, and you have gained a nominal amount in a years time <2 pounds, I would say you are close to your genetic limit. That <2 pounds is LBM and not pure scale weight as well.
 
Sensational said:
I don't think I ever reached my genetic limit before taking the plunge and I regret that. I could have fine tuned my physique a lot more naturally, and thus would have been better in tune with my body before my first cycle.

I was 17, yes 17 when I did my first cycle. I was a junior in high school, but from my freshman year to my junior year I went from 175 to 225, but I think I added a large amount of body fat. I then did a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle, and ballooned up to 260 in 8 weeks, and then cut immediately after and looked pretty good at 240.

Don't know what the point of all that was, basically, my opinion is if your training/diet is in order, and you have gained a nominal amount in a years time <2 pounds, I would say you are close to your genetic limit. That <2 pounds is LBM and not pure scale weight as well.


I dont really know what your point was either, but you are no where near your genetic limit at 17. I hope thats not what you were implying...
 
eddymerckx said:
a simply profound and insightful post--i see greats thigs in your future--

now let.s pracice together "caan i take your order please" "do you want fries with that." repeat
what does me using steroids have to do with the job i'll hold some day?? wtf dude
 
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