How Do Homosexuals Feel About Homophobes?

[curling]

We all know how homophobes feel about homosexuals so homosexuals what do ya'll think about homophobes? Does it bother ya'll that homophobes don't like ya'll's lifestyle or do you care?

 

[dballer]

this is a flame war waiting to happen!!!!

 

[john937]

Some of the best advice I got when I came out:
"If somebody has a problem with who you are,
just remember, it's THEIR problem, not yours."

 

[HansNZ]

Well if someone has a philosophical objection to homosexuality that is their business. It is when they start discriminating against me or abusing me for being gay that I have a problem with them.

 

[curling]

i apreciate the answers so far. Another question if ya'll don't mind are you as open about your homosexuality in the real world as you are here on the net?

 

[curling]

HAnz what do you mean by discriminating? Lets say you own your own business and two guys one being straight and the other being gay both are equally qualified which one would you hire?

 

[huntmaster]

I dont agree with the lifestyle--but I dont consider myself--homophobe.

 

[HansNZ]

HAnz what do you mean by discriminating? Lets say you own your own business and two guys one being straight and the other being gay both are equally qualified which one would you hire?

How would I know what their sexual orientation is? If I did know, unless their sexual orientation gave them helpful insights into their job, I can't see it as being relevant. I suppose I would chose the one who I felt would be easiest to work with and most reliable.

I can imagine that some people may have an agenda based around sexuality. Discriminating against someone because they are straight is just the same as discriminating against them because they are gay. There are laws against this in my country.

 

[HansNZ]

i apreciate the answers so far. Another question if ya'll don't mind are you as open about your homosexuality in the real world as you are here on the net?

I don't advertise my sexuality, but nor do I hide it. If I was confronted by homophobia in real life I would confront it as I do on here. I don't get confronted by it in life as I do on here so I am not so visibly vocal and gay in normal daily existence.

 

[curling]

How would I know what their sexual orientation is? If I did know, unless their sexual orientation gave them helpful insights into their job, I can't see it as being relevant. I suppose I would chose the one who I felt would be easiest to work with and most reliable.

I can imagine that some people may have an agenda based around sexuality. Discriminating against someone because they are straight is just the same as discriminating against them because they are gay. There are laws against this in my country.

Is it discriminating? I mean if someone would feel more confortable about the other person because of a common bond or interest why shouldn't that person get to hire the person they are more like them? See what I am saying. Btw what country are you from?

 

[Y_lifter]

Originally posted by HansNZ
I don't advertise my sexuality, but nor do I hide it. If I was confronted by homophobia in real life I would confront it as I do on here. I don't get confronted by it in life as I do on here so I am not so visibly vocal and gay in normal daily existence.

So if your company had a big fancy gathering where you and a guest were invited, you would bring your Partner and introduce him to the big Bosses as such ?

I work with several semi Openly Gay Men and this has NEVER happened at our company functions. Even though at the worker level we all know they have someone in their life.. They always arrive solo..

It's sad to me because I bet they wish they could feel comfortable bringing them, just like the straight guys bring their GF's

 

[dballer]

I dont agree with the lifestyle--but I dont consider myself--homophobe.

same here.

 

[HansNZ]

Is it discriminating? I mean if someone would feel more confortable about the other person because of a common bond or interest why shouldn't that person get to hire the person they are more like them? See what I am saying. Btw what country are you from?

Well that would be an opportunity for you to analyse why you are uncomfortable around that person. What sort of threat does he/she pose?

I live in New Zealand.

 

[curling]

I dont agree with the lifestyle--but I dont consider myself--homophobe.

Personally, I don't think there is a thing such as a homophobe. I think homophobe was a term the politically correct people put out there to label people with a phobe(make it look like it is there problem) that don't agree with the homosexuals lifestyle.

 

[dballer]

someone get Warik to post his thoughts on this.

 

[MuscularWarrier]

The fact is that Jesus has proclaimed that sodomy in which a man insert his/her penis in anothers buttocks is SODOMY and has such is a disgusting vulgar act which will bring sanction of hell upon the practiser.

My advise to dirty faggots is quit or you will go to hell.

Muscular Warrior

 

[HansNZ]

So if your company had a big fancy gathering where you and a guest were invited, you would bring your Partner and introduce him to the big Bosses as such ?

I work with several semi Openly Gay Men and this has NEVER happened at our company functions. Even though at the worker level we all know they have someone in their life.. They always arrive solo..

It's sad to me because I bet they wish they could feel comfortable bringing them, just like the straight guys bring their GF's

I depends. Being vocally gay on EF isn't a threat to my career. All I get is hostility and anonymous threats. I certainly wouldn't consider coming out at work until I had developed a personal relationship with my collegues. If people know you are gay from the beginning they see you as the "gay person" which colours their relationship with you.

Once people get to know you as a person then you can introduce aspects of yourself to them which would otherwise taint their relationship towards you. Also, straight men seem to suffer from a delusion that all gay men want to have sex with them. Apart from them being self-flattering egomaniacs for behaving like that, it just makes working relationships harder. In my daily life I already get enough straight guys who I would never look at twice in a gay bar act as if I am desperate to get into their pants.

I am also selective about the fights I pick. It all depends on circumstances. If I had a very homophobic boss and was at a point crucial to my career which would be jeopardised by being open then I doubt I would be open. There has to be a cost/benefit calculation made. I can promote my own visibilty and gay acceptance just as effectively if I am selective about my fights without having to jeopardise my career. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.

The advice I have been given by openly gay men is to NOT be out at work. They all feel that their careers have been negatively affected by being open.

 

[HansNZ]

Personally, I don't think there is a thing such as a homophobe. I think homophobe was a term the politically correct people put out there to label people with a phobe(make it look like it is there problem) that don't agree with the homosexuals lifestyle.

Harassing and bullying gay people is homophobia, just as harrassing and bully a black person is racism. It has nothing to do with political correctness.

 

[HansNZ]

The fact is that Jesus has proclaimed that sodomy in which a man insert his/her penis in anothers buttocks is SODOMY and has such is a disgusting vulgar act which will bring sanction of hell upon the practiser.

My advise to dirty faggots is quit or you will go to hell.

Muscular Warrior

Well that is just your opinion. There is also no consensus among Christians about what Jesus said. In any case I could care less.

I might believe in a religion which says that there are UFOs full of aliens waiting to save us and only those who believe this or that are pure/will be saved etc. Just because I am convinced of this doesn't make it true.

I am not dirty. If you think my sexual practises are dirty then that is just your opinion.

Islamic fundamentalists think that Christians are blasphemous infidels who are going to hell, so i'll see you there muscular warrior.

 

[curling]

Well that is just your opinion. There is also no consensus among Christians about what Jesus said. In any case I could care less.

I might believe in a religion which says that there are UFOs full of aliens waiting to save us and only those who believe this or that are pure/will be saved etc. Just because I am convinced of this doesn't make it true.

I am not dirty. If you think my sexual practises are dirty then that is just your opinion.

Islamic fundamentalists think that Christians are blasphemous infidels who are going to hell, so i'll see you there muscular warrior.

You don't believe in Islam now do you Hanz?

 

[HansNZ]

You don't believe in Islam now do you Hanz?

Nope. I am not a Muslim. That is another religion that attempts to hide its prejuidce towards homosexuality behind "God's word".

 

[dballer]

Nope. I am not a Muslim. That is another religion that attempts to hide its prejuidce towards homosexuality behind "God's word".

are any religions fag friendly???

 

[curling]

are any religions fag friendly???

ROTFL dballer you crack me up dude.

 

[HansNZ]

are any religions fag friendly???

Well religious content or interpretation is altered by the attitudes of the society interpreting them. Some peple will say that Christianity is not anti-gay whereas others will insist that it condemns homosexuality.

I think the Western religions are the most hostile though - certainly a reflection of the cultures that invented them.

The religions of the pacific Islands and places like New Guinea are not traditionally homophobic. In fact gay practices are very much a part of the religious rites of many of these people.

 

[dballer]

Well religious content or interpretation is altered by the attitudes of the society interpreting them. Some peple will say that Christianity is not anti-gay whereas others will insist that it condemns homosexuality.

I think the Western religions are the most hostile though - certainly a reflection of the cultures that invented them.

The religions of the pacific Islands and places like New Guinea are not traditionally homophobic. In fact gay practices are very much a part of the religious rites of many of these people.

Yeah.. true. I forgot about those pacific islands. They base alot of culture on sex.

If you have ever read the Bible.. you would see how crazy it would be to say that it does not condemn homosexuals. There are whole chapters talking about how God will annihilate them.

 

[huntmaster]

are some homosexuals religiophobic???? sometimes--I think so

 

[musclebrains]

If you have ever read the Bible.. you would see how crazy it would be to say that it does not condemn homosexuals. There are whole chapters talking about how God will annihilate them.

Care to cite those "whole chapters"?

 

[musclebrains]

The fact is that Jesus has proclaimed that sodomy in which a man insert his/her penis in anothers buttocks is SODOMY and has such is a disgusting vulgar act which will bring sanction of hell upon the practiser.

My advise to dirty faggots is quit or you will go to hell.

Muscular Warrior

Jesus said no such thing.

 

[dballer]

Care to cite those "whole chapters"?

I do believe Lot had alot to do with it.

Have you ever read the part in the Bible about Soddom???

If you wish I will bring my Bible to work tommorow and Post all of them???

 

[dballer]

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

 

[curling]

I think dballer is mistaken about Job but it is in Roman 1:26-27 and in 1st Timothy 1:10. It is in several places in the old testament.

 

[HansNZ]

Yeah.. true. I forgot about those pacific islands. They base alot of culture on sex.

If you have ever read the Bible.. you would see how crazy it would be to say that it does not condemn homosexuals. There are whole chapters talking about how God will annihilate them.

So you are saying that those "whole chapters" are the unadulterated words spoken by jesus and the saints?

 

[PsychoSkitz]

The way straight people feel about Robin Williams.

 

[HansNZ]

are some homosexuals religiophobic???? sometimes--I think so

If so, typically as a response to anti-gay attitudes among these religions.

 

[dballer]

and this one too....
1 Corinthians 6:11 "Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."


those are some. But if you wish me to type in the whole thing I will. It will just take alot of time.

 

[dballer]

So you are saying that those "whole chapters" are the unadulterated words spoken by jesus and the saints?

Hanz... the Bible was written by profits whom had religious experiences during the time Christ was born. You MIGHT be able to use the "mixed up words" line if the message was not in soo many parts of the Bible.

 

[HansNZ]

and this one too....
1 Corinthians 6:11 "Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."


those are some. But if you wish me to type in the whole thing I will. It will just take alot of time.

Well there are religious texts from all sorts of religions with ideas in conflict with Christianity. Does that make them right and Christianity wrong?

In any case, the passages you cite have been interpreted, translated, re-interpreted, edited, re-translated, etc, etc. many times before they found their way onto your book shelf.

 

[musclebrains]

We all know how homophobes feel about homosexuals so homosexuals what do ya'll think about homophobes? Does it bother ya'll that homophobes don't like ya'll's lifestyle or do you care?

There is an obvious difference between disapproving of someone's way of loving and feeling entitled to discriminate against them on that basis.

From my own perspective, homophobic people, as well as racists and sexists, suffer utlimately more than the objects of their contempt. It takes a lot to maintain your personal apartheid of cruelty and moral superiority.

I was lucky to go to South Africa and watch the Truth and Reconciliation hearings for a week. The experience of watching people confess the inhumanly cruel ways they treated other people and seeing how they were changed by coming face to face with the people whose lives they tried to control and ruin taught me in no uncertain terms that the hater, in his way, suffers more than the hated.

Gay people only want want thing: The freedom to love without discrimination. You can nitpick this to death with your religiosity and moralisms. You can sexualize it or desexualize it. But that's what it comes down to and to deny people love among themselves because YOU don't understand it is hateful.

Finally, I've been completely out as bisexual/gay/whatever most of my life. I have worked in rural towns and in large cities. I have held extremely public jobs. I have NEVER felt handicapped by speaking the truth. Then again, I am very good at fighting back.

 

[musclebrains]

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Those are not entire books, Dballer,a nd we've already discussed the very broad disagreement among scholars about the translations of those passages. Oxford is producing a new Bible next year that is a translation much more faithful to the original sense of the Bible.

 

[curling]

Muscle brains which one are you gay or bi? I mean how can you be both(bi). Actually I think that is more perverted than just being gay because if you are bi you are obvioulsy attracted to females so you wouldn't need to do a man and if you do you are being perverted by choice then for sure.

 

[dballer]

Those are not entire books, Dballer,a nd we've already discussed the very broad disagreement among scholars about the translations of those passages. Oxford is producing a new Bible next year that is a translation much more faithful to the original sense of the Bible.

I am sure they are. I am sure it will say all kinds of new things that will include rapists, molesters and all that stuff. See these days we want everyone to get into heaven.. if they follow the laws of Christ or not.

 

[HansNZ]

Hanz... the Bible was written by profits whom had religious experiences during the time Christ was born. You MIGHT be able to use the "mixed up words" line if the message was not in soo many parts of the Bible.

Well I think you'll have a much harder time proving that these writings are the unadulterated writings of prohets than I would showing how adulterated they are.

It is a fact that these writings have been translated. I assume you are not claiming that the prophets wrote in modern English. I'd love to see the original handwritten documents that were the basis of the translation. Something tells me these don't exist. There may be copies of copies of translations, which are copies of translations themselves, etc. But any original documents are LONG gone.

 

[musclebrains]

Muscle brains which one are you gay or bi? I mean how can you be both(bi). Actually I think that is more perverted than just being gay because if you are bi you are obvioulsy attracted to females so you wouldn't need to do a man and if you do you are being perverted by choice then for sure.

Cool! I like being more perverted than the ordinary pervert. Do I get a special place in hell? What do da Bible say bout dat?

I was married for seven years, then was bisexual for years and now identify as gay. I have never touched a gerbil of either sex.

 

[HansNZ]

I am sure they are. I am sure it will say all kinds of new things that will include rapists, molesters and all that stuff. See these days we want everyone to get into heaven.. if they follow the laws of Christ or not.

I see. So when gay haters publish bibles hostile to gays there is no agenda at work. But when someone publishes a copy of the bible with ideas different to your own then they are manipulating truth.

How convenient.

Laws of Christ? According to whom?

 

[musclebrains]

I am sure they are. I am sure it will say all kinds of new things that will include rapists, molesters and all that stuff. See these days we want everyone to get into heaven.. if they follow the laws of Christ or not.

Perhaps. I 'm really indifferent. I think you can argue quite well that the Bible has very little to say on what homosexuality has come to mean in our times. But it is true that the orthodoxy that has developed around Christianity mainly "abhors" homosexuality.

If that is your orthodoxy, fine. HOwever, since we live in a nation that insists on the separation of church and state, a religious bias is not a good reason to deny homosexuals equal rights.

Please don't roll out that tired bromide about the nation being founded by "believers." They were quite wise enough to recognize that the freedom of religion required that the state not dictate the nature of its practice -- which is precisely the reason the early settlers came here.

 

[the nature boy]

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

did those words come from jesus's mouth? or did some other bozo write that stuff?

 

[PHATchik]

There's a girl I work with that is a total homophobe. She just moved to this area a few months ago. Well, the city we work in is filled with homosexuals. She is totally freaked out by it. I have friends that are gay as do a couple of the other girls at work. She thinks it's just so freaky that we all have gay friends. I thought about asking one to come up for lunch just to see how she would react. She doesn't even know gay people according to her. (Yeah, like she would know for sure.)

I'm a person that doesn't really agree with the lifestyle, and I wouldn't choose it for myself. But you know what? I have a good friend that is gay, and he's a great guy. I really don't appreciate her thinking that gay people are just terrible and shouldn't be around her. You know what? One cause of most hatred is ignorance. She's a prime example.

 

[dballer]

No.. You can believe what you want. I do not wish to he a HATER in any mean. I do not agree with it. I am not going to be mean to anyone for what they do behind closed doors. But do not try to force feed me that crap either. As long as I am not forced to deal with the way gay people have sex.. it is all good in the hood with me. Not everyone follows my religion. That does not mean I hate them. It just means don't come knockin on Sunday.

 

[musclebrains]

No.. You can believe what you want. I do not wish to he a HATER in any mean. I do not agree with it. I am not going to be mean to anyone for what they do behind closed doors. But do not try to force feed me that crap either. As long as I am not forced to deal with the way gay people have sex.. it is all good in the hood with me. Not everyone follows my religion. That does not mean I hate them. It just means don't come knockin on Sunday.

Does this mean you are not going to be a judge in the Forest Park Pentecostal Ru Paul Look Alike Contest after all?

 

[dballer]

Does this mean you are not going to be a judge in the Forest Park Pentecostal Ru Paul Look Alike Contest after all?

I could still be the judge.. but I am not sure who Ru Paul looks like. I know he is a black genderless human. That is about it.... where the hell do you come up with this anyhow?? hahahahahaa



here is one for you Musclebrains....


"God’s Word offers the opportunity for redemption, forgiveness, and grace along with the pronouncement of judgement. God’s agenda is clear: to seek out sinners, and offer them the free gift of salvation by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Does God hate homosexuality? Yes, He absolutely does.

Does God hate people who practice homosexuality? NO, HE ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT.

God loves homosexuals, and invites them to come to Him, to allow Him to wash, sanctify, and justify them, and to let Him heal them of the deep wounds in their hearts that cause them to be pulled toward homosexuality.

If you are a homosexual, let me make this clear: There are many in your ranks that want you to believe that "God made you that way." That is really a sophisticated form of denial -- with the hope that, if you say it enough, it will overpower your inner sense that the lifestyle is unnatural and wrong. If, for just one moment, you will take the bold step away from that denial, and listen to your heart, you’ll realize that "God made you that way" is a lie. "

 

[HansNZ]

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

That sounds like one of those gay hating Christian Fundamentalist bibles. My Grandfather was a clergymen and none of his bibles are written like that.

 

[the nature boy]

my problem is not with people who love god and love the bible, it's when they use it as a basis to say that "homosexuality is wrong because it says so in the bible."

Then when you go into detail, you find out that christ didn't say those words, it was other people who supposedly talked to God. How the heck do we know that they really talked to God? People through out history have been burned alive for saying they've talked to God. Joan of Ark, talked to God, but nobody beleived her. David Koresh, he said he talked to God. And everyone thought he was crazy, and he got burned alive.

It's okay for people in the early days to have been getting messages from God, but now in the present day it's just crazy talk. Say some gay preacher said he recieved Gods word that said God loves everyone including gays. Boy would he never hear the end of it.

 

[musclebrains]

i dont like when people are classified as homophobes just because they hate gays. im not afraid of them i just hate them.

who cares what they think about me? its not like any of them could do anything about it!!

Unless you commit a hate crime, of course. Or dared to express your hatred in public around gay people, where your ass could be well beaten.

Homophobia may not be the best word to describe the treatment of gay people that is analogous to racism. But it's silly, in the absence of another word, to make it a semantic issue.

 

[HansNZ]

"God’s Word offers the opportunity for redemption, forgiveness, and grace along with the pronouncement of judgement. God’s agenda is clear: to seek out sinners, and offer them the free gift of salvation by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Does God hate homosexuality? Yes, He absolutely does.

Does God hate people who practice homosexuality? NO, HE ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT.

God loves homosexuals, and invites them to come to Him, to allow Him to wash, sanctify, and justify them, and to let Him heal them of the deep wounds in their hearts that cause them to be pulled toward homosexuality.

If you are a homosexual, let me make this clear: There are many in your ranks that want you to believe that "God made you that way." That is really a sophisticated form of denial -- with the hope that, if you say it enough, it will overpower your inner sense that the lifestyle is unnatural and wrong. If, for just one moment, you will take the bold step away from that denial, and listen to your heart, you’ll realize that "God made you that way" is a lie. "

How does the person who invented this know any of this? How do they know what God's word is. Does God speak to them personally? Isn't it blasphemous to go around speaking for God? Isn't that megalomaniacal?

 

[HansNZ]

hahahahaa gays beating my ass!!! i would crush them like little bugs!!!!

its not silly to make it a semantic issue. the word homophobia leads people to believe that the person is afraid of gays. thats bullshit. i just dont like them.

Do you think you could squash me like a bug? Considering my size and the fact that I have won many a boxing trophy I don't think i'd be as easy as a bug is to squash.

You discuss semantics yet you don't realise that the term homophobia isn't primarily a reference to "fear" of gays but to "hatred" of them.

 

[flexed1]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

I am 100% man the only difference is i prefer to sleep with a man. My other half like me avoids parades ( why do we need a fucking parade) flags, and flaunting. People respect me for being a person and when they get to know me for being a cool gay guy they can joke with.

Yes, I am a homephobe as I don't want what others see on television to represent me. Its maybe about time thta folks like me who have normal relationships and beleive in equal rights for everyone and who offer a different view of gays steps foward so that most folks don't think gays just wear dresses and spread aids. I am monagamus and happy being so and I also voted proudly for Bush.

 

[musclebrains]

my problem is not with people who love god and love the bible, it's when they use it as a basis to say that "homosexuality is wrong because it says so in the bible."

Then when you go into detail, you find out that christ didn't say those words, it was other people who supposedly talked to God. How the heck do we know that they really talked to God? People through out history have been burned alive for saying they've talked to God. Joan of Ark, talked to God, but nobody beleived her. David Koresh, he said he talked to God. And everyone thought he was crazy, and he got burned alive.

It's okay for people in the early days to have been getting messages from God, but now in the present day it's just crazy talk. Say some gay preacher said he recieved Gods word that said God loves everyone including gays. Boy would he never hear the end of it.

Honestly, I think the religious argument can't be won. Christianity is dying in America, probably in large part because of its corruption and intolerance. Worldwide, the numbers who go to church are declining too. We are left with fundamentalist loonies, dogmatists, who are waging holy wars all over the planet. Osama bin Laden meet the Teletubbies.

Jesus had very radical ideas -- a revolution, a social and personal one, based on the universality of love. (The main NT proscriptions pertinent to "homosexuality" are actually a mistranslated effort to overthrow the power-based intergenerational sexual relations of the Greco-Roman world. ) Those scapegoated for wanting to be who they are in conflict with the dominant culture are always crucified and lynched -- whether by Romans or Klansmen or Nazis or homophobic rednecks like those who crucified Mat Shepard.

What homophobic fools and their cousins, the real cowards, don't realize is exactly what Jesus taught -- that to be who you are , to risk love at the cost of your life, is gratifying if not actually ennobling. One would like to think Jesus' teaching would survive the culture-bound prejudices of theocrats, but thinking people are abandoning the church and it will likely implode under the dogmatic weight of fundamentalists who are more interested in limiting the definition of love than expanding it in the radical tradition of their church's founder.

 

[musclebrains]

hahahahaa gays beating my ass!!! i would crush them like little bugs!!!!

its not silly to make it a semantic issue. the word homophobia leads people to believe that the person is afraid of gays. thats bullshit. i just dont like them.

And why would six queers not be able to beat youthe smegma out of you?

Homophobia in its vernacular usage does refer to contempt for homosexuals. We've had this discussion before. Look up the meaning of "phobia."

 

[Advaik]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

I am 100% man the only difference is i prefer to sleep with a man. My other half like me avoids parades ( why do we need a fucking parade) flags, and flaunting. People respect me for being a person and when they get to know me for being a cool gay guy they can joke with.

Yes, I am a homephobe as I don't want what others see on television to represent me. Its maybe about time thta folks like me who have normal relationships and beleive in equal rights for everyone and who offer a different view of gays steps foward so that most folks don't think gays just wear dresses and spread aids. I am monagamus and happy being so and I also voted proudly for Bush.

I dont hate you because you are gay, I hate you because you voted for bush!

Actually I agree. I hate gays who flaunt it around acting all proud of it. I hate anyone that does that about anything. Blacks, Gays, Jews, Cristians, even Racist like the KKK. I say fuck all of them, we are all people, why do you need to flaunt your special little differences to everyone? I just lose so much respect for someone who does that.

 

[the nature boy]

fuck parades of any type. anyone in a parade needs to get paraded to the firing squad.

 

[musclebrains]

Gay pride "parades" began as marches of solidarity. Flex may not have been around when it was literally illegal in America for gay people to assemble openly. Those "parades" were acts of civil disobedience. I am guessing he has never been hauled to jail for being open about who he is.

In recent years the gay pride events have become parties. But they certainly aren't just patronized by men in dresses or prosmiscuous types. Indeed, nearly everyone criticizes them now because they are so fucking mainstream. At the event here last month, you could get a gay credit card, meet a gay veterinarian, and register with the Republican party.

 

[flexed1]

no sorry I am 40 and have been around. Its folks inwearing female clothes, dressed as nuns, dykes on bikes and yes even muscle guys but none the less you want respect and this is what main stream tv shows. No I have never been bashed but than again I am a person and act like a person. You have to admit some gays like to push being gay down folks throats. Stone wall was a few guys trying to get rights. Know what I don't need any special rights and don't beleive and individual need them either. Thats my beleif. If your white, black, asian or whatever you are a person and deserve to be treated like one. i stay far away from people who misrepresent who I am in the everyday life. thats just my opinion and like you I am gay just see things different which is fine as well.

 

[dballer]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

I am 100% man the only difference is i prefer to sleep with a man. My other half like me avoids parades ( why do we need a fucking parade) flags, and flaunting. People respect me for being a person and when they get to know me for being a cool gay guy they can joke with.

Yes, I am a homephobe as I don't want what others see on television to represent me. Its maybe about time thta folks like me who have normal relationships and beleive in equal rights for everyone and who offer a different view of gays steps foward so that most folks don't think gays just wear dresses and spread aids. I am monagamus and happy being so and I also voted proudly for Bush.

How could any homophobe argue with this logic?

 

[dballer]

no sorry I am 40 and have been around. Its folks inwearing female clothes, dressed as nuns, dykes on bikes and yes even muscle guys but none the less you want respect and this is what main stream tv shows. No I have never been bashed but than again I am a person and act like a person. You have to admit some gays like to push being gay down folks throats. Stone wall was a few guys trying to get rights. Know what I don't need any special rights and don't beleive and individual need them either. Thats my beleif. If your white, black, asian or whatever you are a person and deserve to be treated like one. i stay far away from people who misrepresent who I am in the everyday life. thats just my opinion and like you I am gay just see things different which is fine as well.

This is the kind of Gay logic that I would stand up for.

Speaking of the recent gay parade in Atlanta. I was sitting at Willies eating a burrito the day before the parade or party and I overheard two guys (about my age 28) talking about how exciting it would be.. the one guy told the other that there would be nude boys there.. he went on to say that the boys he was talking about were between 12 and 14!!! Needless to say I showed my distaste.. I almost threw up. I was actually weighing the options of a assault charge.

 

[flexed1]

I can't beleive dballer and I agree.

 

[musclebrains]

no sorry I am 40 and have been around. Its folks inwearing female clothes, dressed as nuns, dykes on bikes and yes even muscle guys but none the less you want respect and this is what main stream tv shows. No I have never been bashed but than again I am a person and act like a person. You have to admit some gays like to push being gay down folks throats. Stone wall was a few guys trying to get rights. Know what I don't need any special rights and don't beleive and individual need them either. Thats my beleif. If your white, black, asian or whatever you are a person and deserve to be treated like one. i stay far away from people who misrepresent who I am in the everyday life. thats just my opinion and like you I am gay just see things different which is fine as well.

Those same kinds of images are present at Mardi Gras and they don't "represent" all heterosexuals either. GAy people should be able to be everything they are -- from the pedestrian to the outrageous -- without someone telling them they have an obligation to represent the entire population of gay people.

Not so long ago, Flex, if you'd showed up at a hospital and said you were homosexual, you could have been shipped off to an asylum after they patched you up. I hardly think the extension of ordinary respect and the decriminalization of sodomy amounts to the conferral of special rights.

You are free to be who you want, but the same freedom should be accorded to dykes on bikes, the sisters of perpetual mercy and whoever else. If you feel those people are trying to represent you, you can show up and represent yoiurself!

 

[dballer]

GAy people should be able to be everything they are -- from the pedestrian to the outrageous -- without someone telling them they have an obligation to represent the entire population of gay people.

What about the NAMBLA members?????

 

[flexed1]

muscle you appear to be very one sided on the issue at hand. Why is it that you feel that its okay for gays to be out and be who they want to be so that everyone on earth thinks this is how we act?

Sorry if I went into a hospital which I have many times I get the same service any other person should get. However if I went into a hospital in drag or as a nun it would cause attention to myself and thanks exactly why I have no problems nor do people have problems with me. I do not cause attention to myself and am very secure with who I am and beleive it or not its people like me who make others think that not all gays are as you describe expressing themsleves.

YES, people are free to express themselves but at the same time you are trying to get others to not be homophobe and this is the exact reason they are. I guess we are two different breeds and that trust me is fine as everyone is different. And by the way 90% of my friends are straight.

 

[huntmaster]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

I am 100% man the only difference is i prefer to sleep with a man. My other half like me avoids parades ( why do we need a fucking parade) flags, and flaunting. People respect me for being a person and when they get to know me for being a cool gay guy they can joke with.

Yes, I am a homephobe as I don't want what others see on television to represent me. Its maybe about time thta folks like me who have normal relationships and beleive in equal rights for everyone and who offer a different view of gays steps foward so that most folks don't think gays just wear dresses and spread aids. I am monagamus and happy being so and I also voted proudly for Bush.

impressive

 

[TC2]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

I am 100% man the only difference is i prefer to sleep with a man. My other half like me avoids parades ( why do we need a fucking parade) flags, and flaunting. People respect me for being a person and when they get to know me for being a cool gay guy they can joke with.

Yes, I am a homephobe as I don't want what others see on television to represent me. Its maybe about time thta folks like me who have normal relationships and beleive in equal rights for everyone and who offer a different view of gays steps foward so that most folks don't think gays just wear dresses and spread aids. I am monagamus and happy being so and I also voted proudly for Bush.

You just gave me a newfound respect for gays like you, I generaly don't like gays(for the reasons that you state above),but I would have no problem hanging out with a guy like you.

 

[needsize]

1. i dont care if its you and 100 of your mary friends, you couldnt take my grandma.

2. bullshit. i looked up phobia and this is what i got: A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.
while the definition included "dislike" and "aversion" the word phobia still generates the idea of fear to most people. people who hate gays shouldnt be called homophobes.

I love these internet tough guys that like to talk shit like they're sooo big and bad, but for some reason they don't come to elite FITNESS to talk about training or anything else related, they come here to create an internet persona that is so much badder than the pathetic, scrawny, never seen the inside of a gym, ignorant person that they are in real life.
Anywhere other than here you wouldn't have the nerve to talk this kind of shit

 

[musclebrains]

muscle you appear to be very one sided on the issue at hand. Why is it that you feel that its okay for gays to be out and be who they want to be so that everyone on earth thinks this is how we act?

Sorry if I went into a hospital which I have many times I get the same service any other person should get. However if I went into a hospital in drag or as a nun it would cause attention to myself and thanks exactly why I have no problems nor do people have problems with me. I do not cause attention to myself and am very secure with who I am and beleive it or not its people like me who make others think that not all gays are as you describe expressing themsleves.

YES, people are free to express themselves but at the same time you are trying to get others to not be homophobe and this is the exact reason they are. I guess we are two different breeds and that trust me is fine as everyone is different. And by the way 90% of my friends are straight.

I don't see how giving people approval to be who they are -- drag queen, biker boy, muscle boy, bear or Log CAbin Club member -- and not feeling they negatively reflect on me is being one-sided.

I know fully well that when we try to "act right," homophobes simply follow us until they find something to validate their hatred. A few years ago, Jerry Falwell dispatched cameramen to the Folsom Street Fair and then had his monkeys take hidden cameras into gay bars with dark rooms. This in turn became the biggest fundraising tool he ever developed: "Send me a contribution and I will send you a video of homosexuals engaged in their disgusting unnatural acts." Gay porn for straight Christians, in other words. And, no, I'm not making it up.

As I said, you are free to be who you want and so, I assume, are drag queens, etc. If you feel they are reflecting negatively on you, it's not their responsibility to re-closet themselves. I don't think that's what you're suggesting. My understanding is that you just don't want to be around Pride celebrations of such, um, picturesque diversity.

It is true in recent years that you can go to a hospital, say yoiu are gay, and get decent treatment. As recently as 25 years ago, in some states, the admission was sufficient to get you committed to a state mental health facility. Such changes -- hospital policies that protect gay people from police reporting -- do not represent special rights. I don't know any gay people asking for special rights.

 

[musclebrains]

What about the NAMBLA members?????

What about them? They have a right to organize. They certainly don't have a right to break the pedophilia laws.

 

[dballer]

big does not always mean bad. A really big guy has to work twice as hard to get like that. One false move and years of training is gone. People who talk tough do not always need to be big. The toughest guy on the block is not always the biggest.

 

[dballer]

What about them? They have a right to organize. They certainly don't have a right to break the pedophilia laws.

I guess you are right. Bin Laden has the right to organize too.

 

[musclebrains]

1. i dont care if its you and 100 of your mary friends, you couldnt take my grandma.

2. bullshit. i looked up phobia and this is what i got: A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.
while the definition included "dislike" and "aversion" the word phobia still generates the idea of fear to most people. people who hate gays shouldnt be called homophobes.

LOL...precisely: aversion and dislike.

The word only generates the idea of fear to any great extent to people who don't want to be called homophobic. IF you prefer "homo-hater," go for it.

 

[musclebrains]

I guess you are right. Bin Laden has the right to organize too.

LOL. It's called the right of free speech and assembly, Dballer. We extend that right to all kinds of disgusting creatures, including racists like David Duke.

 

[flexed1]

muscle point taken but just so you know I to find folsom street and what was shown there offensive only because thats all that is shown in public and thats the point I am making. Don't think for a second they will ever show folks like me as that would not be good for ratings and thats is exactly what I and straight folks are afraid of. Everyone should be who they are but don't expects gays when all they see is the circuis, sex parties, and everything else like that. I am proud to be gay just keep it to myself.

 

[dballer]

LOL. It's called the right of free speech and assembly, Dballer. We extend that right to all kinds of disgusting creatures, including racists like David Duke.

the diffrence is.. protesters of David Duke are heroes.. protesters of NAMBLA are close minded ideologists.

 

[musclebrains]

Yes, I'm serious. It's general usage has come to mean people who have an aversion to homosexuality. Phobic reactions are aversions based on fear, so I'm not disagreeing that the word technically has that meaning.

I suggest you write the Board of Political Correctness and submit "homohatred" as a more accurate substitute.

 

[dballer]

Yes, I'm serious. It's general usage has come to mean people who have an aversion to homosexuality. Phobic reactions are aversions based on fear, so I'm not disagreeing that the word technically has that meaning.

I suggest you write the Board of Political Correctness and submit "homohatred" as a more accurate substitute.

how about Hetrosexiest.

 

[musclebrains]

the diffrence is.. protesters of David Duke are heroes.. protesters of NAMBLA are close minded ideologists.

LOL and I call them both vile. That's why we have the First Amendment -- so you or I can't decide that one should be forbidden free speech while the other enjoys it.

 

[musclebrains]

how about Hetrosexiest.

U be the hetero-sexiest dude in the trailer park, dballer.

The problem with the word "heterosexist" is that it's now come, in common usage, to mean gay people who have an aversion to breeders.

 

[musclebrains]

its general usage is fear of homos. people use it to try to bring a negative spin on the "homophobes" and make it appear as if they have some kind of irrational fear. people with brains do not feel that people that hate gays are homophobes because that word is simply a gay-lover's term used for their purposes. homo haters are not homophobes by any rational explanation of the word.

Cool. I'm sure your cause will be far advanced by reminding folks that they aren't just skittish around queers. They are simply acting out their god-given right to hate queers.

 

[musclebrains]

thats fine with me. the word "homophobe" is what fags want to use because it degrades people that hate homos. we are people too!!! cant we all just not get along!??

God forbid we should degrade people exercising their right to hate others! Haters, the most oppressed group in America. Parents ought to learn they kids better!

 

[musclebrains]

haha look at the lips and nose of the one on the right!! hes gotta have some black in him!!! anyway, i dont think its fair to group gays in as if they are like an ethnic group. i think they will be able to severely cut down the number of gays soon with genetic engineering.

Oh so you think it's genetic instead of a choice. KEWL. You are the man.

 

[musclebrains]

i think you could still make the choice not to have sex with guys. however you were born with some genetic defect that made you more feminine in some ways than other guys. that is why you like penis. it can be fixed.

Brilliant!

 

[musclebrains]

Maybe so... you sound really adamant of getting rid of gays or something... do you really hate gays THAT much? I mean, does it really affect your life that someone is gay? sheesh, gimme a break...

He wants to keep all the smegma for himself.

Actually, I think his posts are an excellent document of what actually underlies the self-righteous semantic argument about use of the word "homophobia."

 

[Longhorn85]

How would I know what their sexual orientation is?

This is the root of the problem in my opinion. If you don't advertise your sexual habits, how can you be discriminated against? That is why I see no need for SPECIAL homosexual rights legislation, other than the already exisiting more general civil rights laws.

 

[musclebrains]

This is the root of the problem in my opinion. If you don't advertise your sexual habits, how can you be discriminated against? That is why I see no need for SPECIAL homosexual rights legislation, other than the already exisiting more general civil rights laws.

LOL...do you "advertise" your sexual habits when you apply for a marriage license, hold hands in a movie theatre, or bring your wife to a company picnic? I think you do. You know, TTl, if you acted more white, you'd probably be able to operate more competently outside the unnaturally unprejudiced military too.

It's been said about a billion times to you, but you just don't seem to get it: it is LEGAL to discriminate against gay people in many places in this country. Housing laws do NOT apply to gay people. Employment laws do NOT apply to gay people. The only way they apply is when "sexual orientation" is added to the rules. I can just imagine if you'd been around in the 60s, ttl, and told other black people that you didn't need special civil rights protection cuz the more general laws already applied to you....even though they didn't. I mean everyone had the right to vote, right? Why did we need voting rights laws?

And don't start your shit about not comparing gays to blacks. YOu've already done that when you mention the civil rights laws which were specifically written as special rights for YOUR people.

 

[Longhorn85]

LOL...do you "advertise" your sexual habits when you apply for a marriage license, hold hands in a movie theatre, or bring your wife to a company picnic? I think you do. You know, TTl, if you acted more white, you'd probably be able to operate more competently outside the unnaturally unprejudiced military too.

It's been said about a billion times to you, but you just don't seem to get it: it is LEGAL to discriminate against gay people in many places in this country. Housing laws do NOT apply to gay people. Employment laws do NOT apply to gay people.

It early where I am, have you had a few cups of coffee already? Jeez! My point is how would someone know you were gay, bi or into bestiality in the first place? Most businesses, vendors, builders couldn't care less, just want to make a buck. Housing and Employment laws apply to all people, including gays. You're just not happy because there is no law that applies to gays exclusively and specifically.

Act more compentently outside the military? Hmmmm. Do you think I live like Gomer Pyle in a barracks 24 hrs a day? I live in the same world you do my man.

 

[musclebrains]

It early where I am, have you had a few cups of coffee already? Jeez! My point is how would someone know you were gay, bi or into bestiality in the first place? Most businesses, vendors, builders couldn't care less, just want to make a buck. Housing and Employment laws apply to all people, including gays. You're just not happy because there is no law that applies to gays exclusively and specifically.

Act more compentently outside the military? Hmmmm. Do you think I live like Gomer Pyle in a barracks 24 hrs a day? I live in the same world you do my man.

LOL....Yes, I've been up over an hour.

No, TTL, housing laws do not apply to everyone. YOu simply can't get that through your head. YOu move into an apartment. You meet a guy. You move him in. It's LEGAL to kick the guy out because he's gay. He didn't have to wear a dress, act queeny or anything else. It happens ALL THE TIME.

Why do you think local statues add "sexual orientation" to employment and housing laws?? Because gay people are NOT protected under the ordinary laws. You just don't get it, do you?

 

[HansNZ]

This is the kind of Gay logic that I would stand up for.

Speaking of the recent gay parade in Atlanta. I was sitting at Willies eating a burrito the day before the parade or party and I overheard two guys (about my age 28) talking about how exciting it would be.. the one guy told the other that there would be nude boys there.. he went on to say that the boys he was talking about were between 12 and 14!!! Needless to say I showed my distaste.. I almost threw up. I was actually weighing the options of a assault charge.

Oh puhlease - here we go again. Trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia. And how many straight men do you know of that perve at 14 year old school girls - plenty! Male characteristics don't develop until later in men so generally those who are sexually attracted to male characteristics prefer their men a bit more mature.

 

[HansNZ]

Those of you who know me know I am gay. That said I guess I would be called a homophobe. Reason is simple any gays whom walk around like girls, act like girls, and who walk around and let others think thta all gays are like this I stay clear away from and even make fun of.

Well I don't like people misrepresenting me by saying that all gays are as camp as a row of tents. However it is mainstream media and the attitudes of straights that reinforce these stereotypes, frequently ignoring the diversity among gay people.

But on the same token this post does represent the fact that even persecuted people practice intolerance. I would never make fun of anyone man for being camp, or any lesbian for being butch because they don't have to comply to society's conformist ideas about gender stereotypes and how a man or a woman is "supposed" to behave.

 

[HansNZ]

I dont hate you because you are gay, I hate you because you voted for bush!

Actually I agree. I hate gays who flaunt it around acting all proud of it. I hate anyone that does that about anything. Blacks, Gays, Jews, Cristians, even Racist like the KKK. I say fuck all of them, we are all people, why do you need to flaunt your special little differences to everyone? I just lose so much respect for someone who does that.

You hate people for being totally accepting of their sexuality, proud - not ashamned of it?

People shouldn't flaunt their "special little differences" why? Because we are all supposed to be the same and conform to some stereotype that conformist society has decided on?

 

[HansNZ]

this guy has been begging me to lick his balls ever since i registered here!!! get over it man!! im not gonna lick your "tender love-nuggets" (as he calls them in his sexually explicit pm's).

You remind me of one of those smart ass teenagers I went to school with who said smart-ass things to teachers and to others as an attention seeking measure and to get people to laugh. They were desperate to get people to think they were "cool". The sad thing is that while their peers may have laughed, they always considered them losers.

 

[HansNZ]

muscle point taken but just so you know I to find folsom street and what was shown there offensive only because thats all that is shown in public and thats the point I am making. Don't think for a second they will ever show folks like me as that would not be good for ratings and thats is exactly what I and straight folks are afraid of. Everyone should be who they are but don't expects gays when all they see is the circuis, sex parties, and everything else like that. I am proud to be gay just keep it to myself.

Well you can be quiet about being gay because you live in a society where you are benefitting from the work of vocal and visible gay activists. There is certainly no way I would enjoy the rights I enjoy in my country if all gay people had taken your line of reasoning.

If black civil rights activists had decided just to be quiet and not march, parade, and be vocal about their cause, then black people would not enjoy the rights they do today. Mainstream society used pretty much the same arguments against blacks as are being used against gays. It was through blacks visibly challenging those attitudes that false, complacent ideas that dominated general thinking were displaced.

I also think that you need to ask yourself why it is that the homophobes on this thread now think that you are so wonderful and think you are "right-on", "impressive", etc.

If you don't want people to discriminate against you then don't discriminate aginst queeny people or whoever - which is exactly what the homophobes want to do. They want only heterosexuals to be visbile. Their discomfort with difference means thaey want people who don't conform to quietly sit on the sidelines.

 

[HansNZ]

the diffrence is.. protesters of David Duke are heroes.. protesters of NAMBLA are close minded ideologists.

Of course you wouldn't be a closed minded ideologist would you?

And why are you citing pedophiles on this thread? You seem to want to link homosexuality with pedophilia.

 

[HansNZ]

its general usage is fear of homos. people use it to try to bring a negative spin on the "homophobes" and make it appear as if they have some kind of irrational fear. people with brains do not feel that people that hate gays are homophobes because that word is simply a gay-lover's term used for their purposes. homo haters are not homophobes by any rational explanation of the word.

The Concise Oxford Dictionary definition of homophobia:

homophobia: noun. a hatred or fear of homosexuals.

I speak English and the Oxford Dictionary is the standard form of English. That is how it defines homophobia. If it has a different meaning in the American dialect then fine. But then that is the dialect form - not the English language definition.

THE END.

 

[HansNZ]

you are doubting that it can be fixed? maybe not in the ones currently alive but in the future genetic engineering will be able to fix it. whoever is able to do it will earn whatever money he makes from it. i know i would pay for that service.

So you're making the assumption that people won't be breeding people like you out of the gene pool too.