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How can I convince the gf to clean up her lifestyle?

hanselthecaretaker

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First the good. She does great with school and work. Everyone likes her and she's as sweet as can be. Always helpful and courteous, and she also goes out of her way for people probably more than she should, especially when it comes to her siblings and even her parents. She has to juggle a lot since she works full time and goes to school full time.

The problem is it creates a lot of stress for her. The other problem is, she never developed a healthy way of dealing with it. Her best friend, who has pretty much devolved into an alcoholic pothead who can't even hold a part time job and barely goes to school anymore, introduced her to smoking herb, long before I met her. Like just out of high school. She also ran with a less than respectable crowd growing up, to which I kinda blame passive parenting more than anything.

Fast forward about 8 years and she's admittedly addicted. I know, "you can't get addicted to pot". Well, it's a big deal for her to go a weekend without it. Her personal life lacks the self discipline she has for school and work. So this weekend in particular she decided to drive an hour each way to get "cheap" stuff from this girl. I don't want to get into too many details of her living situation. Let's just say we were clear with each other she doesn't go into her house, which is actually her scrubby boyfriend's house whose roommates recently had scabies. Yeah. We're both talking about saving money for a trip this winter, as well as all the other random things we want to do til then, but she didn't want to wait a few days til she can get some from in town.

I'll admit I've smoked in the past before her and have since joined her for some here and there but it's getting old, and I wonder if she'll ever change. She doesn't always eat very well, never exercises, and can be careless with things when she smokes. The more serious we get the less I'm willing to put up with it. Makes me very leery about ever having kids, because they don't deserve to have to deal with it.

The problem is her having to keep it a secret from so many people, including many we work with (yup, we work same place, actually how we met). It obviously puts us both in a bind.

I've tried leveling with her at least once a year about it all, but some of the stuff she comes back at me with makes me kinda wonder why we're still together. Her reply is almost verbatim "maybe we're not meant for each other". Ok, so say we break up, then everyone's wondering why and I have to keep the reasons a secret or else she gets into trouble with work at the very least.

This is the type of shit drug habits bring into people's lives.
So, if anyone still wonders why I'm so conservative and hardass about things, it's because the alternative far too often leads to what you just read through.


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Is this post serious? How old are you, she's smoking pot not meth, and I always said there was two types of smokers, first the smoker that just chills and second the working smoker. I used to roof houses while smoking all day, it sounds like you got the latter.
 
Good luck "getting her to". Dude , decide what your bottom line is, then stick to it. DO NOT get any more serious with this girl. You cannot change her and she won't change just because that's what YOU want. Trust me, Ive been there. If youcant see yourself with her long term exactly as she is now, then leave.
 
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zeosim said:
Is this post serious? How old are you, she's smoking pot not meth, and I always said there was two types of smokers, first the smoker that just chills and second the working smoker. I used to roof houses while smoking all day, it sounds like you got the latter.
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So just because "its not meth ", that means he should be ok with it? That makes no sense. He does not want this person to be his wife or the mother of his children. (If he ever wants kids). If it makes him unhappy, then it's not ok
 
You try to talk about something serious and she comes back with "maybe we arent meant to be together"?
Bro, you know the answer to all this but you are hoping not to have to hear it. You dont change behavior like this, accept it or dump her. Its not worth the effort if you arent married. Doesnt sound like she even gives a shit about being with you in the first place if shes talking that smack
 
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If you can't beat them...join them!

Can't change her bro...so don't even try, need to change yourself and your situation...you only have control over yourself.

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As with any relationship where alcohol/drug abuse/addiction is present, your not her best friend, pot is. You may want to look into ALANON, because if you erase/replace/embrace/new face, I guarantee you the same shit is gonna be going on. Pot is her habit, and whatever it is that has you trying to help someone who doesn't want help is yours.
 
BuddhaBuilder said:
As with any relationship where alcohol/drug abuse/addiction is present, your not her best friend, pot is. You may want to look into ALANON, because if you erase/replace/embrace/new face, I guarantee you the same shit is gonna be going on. Pot is her habit, and whatever it is that has you trying to help someone who doesn't want help is yours.
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yeah the whole "maybe we're not meant to be together" line is her saying "we're not meant to be together" homie. If it's a huge dealbreaking anxiety attack for her to go without it for a weekend than it's a pretty good sign weed is a crutch to her and not something she does recreationally. It's one thing to like and savor getting high, when it's part of your daily routine from which you can't part or your life falls apart....then....welll.
 
Just break up if she decides really does like you and want to be with you then can talk. its non of your coworkers business why you two broke up especially if keep it professional at work. If really want to say something just say we were too different, interests etc felt wasn't working for better so called it quits doesn't need to go any further than that.

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mistaballoonhands said:
There's a reason she's only been a gf for 8 yrs bro... You don't trust her after 8 yrs? Move on
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I haven't dated her 8 years. Just said 8 years since she's started smoking roughly.
 
smurf2 said:
No he said its been 8 yrs since she started smoking pot
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Thank you for reading into my post.

But really though I should've clarified with the comments she makes after I try leveling with her...she is emotionally immature which she even admits. She says things she doesn't always mean, even to her own mother. It's just like she wasn't raised to be that mature because actually her mother isn't half the time either. But at the same time it's like, I'd need my future wife to be more mature than that personally. It's not a healthy attitude.
 
1) Break up with her.
2) Start dating P3 and post up your adventures.
3) Reap karma gold.
4) She's cheating on you.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Thank you for reading into my post.

But really though I should've clarified with the comments she makes after I try leveling with her...she is emotionally immature which she even admits. She says things she doesn't always mean, even to her own mother. It's just like she wasn't raised to be that mature because actually her mother isn't half the time either. But at the same time it's like, I'd need my future wife to be more mature than that personally. It's not a healthy attitude.
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You can't "convince" a girlfriend or any SO to change their lifestyle. You can express concern but they're going to make subjective value judgements based on their situation.
 
redsamurai said:
yeah the whole "maybe we're not meant to be together" line is her saying "we're not meant to be together" homie. If it's a huge dealbreaking anxiety attack for her to go without it for a weekend than it's a pretty good sign weed is a crutch to her and not something she does recreationally. It's one thing to like and savor getting high, when it's part of your daily routine from which you can't part or your life falls apart....then....welll.
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^^I agree with redsam. I don't know where the pot isn't addicting comes from either. I don't buy that. She wouldn't be driving an hour one way if she wasn't addicted. It sounds like you've hit that fork in the road and there are more reasons then the dope that you are not sure she's wife material. Good luck! It's a tough decision to make.
 
If nicotine, caffeine, alcohol are addictive, pot sure as shit is addictive. All drugs are addictive in the wrong hands
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
Thank you for reading into my post.

But really though I should've clarified with the comments she makes after I try leveling with her...she is emotionally immature which she even admits. She says things she doesn't always mean, even to her own mother. It's just like she wasn't raised to be that mature because actually her mother isn't half the time either. But at the same time it's like, I'd need my future wife to be more mature than that personally. It's not a healthy attitude.
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In response to that ^

The biggest problem in your relationship isn't her, it's you making all these excuses for her.

Even if she didn't mean the "maybe we aren't meant to be" comment, even if its justified by a shitty upbringing, even if she's amazingly great outside her whole pot problem...she's doing things you more and more can not stand.

And why shouldn't she do them? At this point, she knows you're not going anywhere, so why should she change if all you've done is show her it's not a big enough deal to you to book it?

Actions speak louder than words.

If you can deal with it, stay. If you can't, leave. No excuses. If you have to make excuses for a person or your why you're still together, it's not the right relationship for you.
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
First the good. She does great with school and work. Everyone likes her and she's as sweet as can be. Always helpful and courteous, and she also goes out of her way for people probably more than she should, especially when it comes to her siblings and even her parents. She has to juggle a lot since she works full time and goes to school full time.

The problem is it creates a lot of stress for her. The other problem is, she never developed a healthy way of dealing with it. Her best friend, who has pretty much devolved into an alcoholic pothead who can't even hold a part time job and barely goes to school anymore, introduced her to smoking herb, long before I met her. Like just out of high school. She also ran with a less than respectable crowd growing up, to which I kinda blame passive parenting more than anything.

Fast forward about 8 years and she's admittedly addicted. I know, "you can't get addicted to pot". Well, it's a big deal for her to go a weekend without it. Her personal life lacks the self discipline she has for school and work. So this weekend in particular she decided to drive an hour each way to get "cheap" stuff from this girl. I don't want to get into too many details of her living situation. Let's just say we were clear with each other she doesn't go into her house, which is actually her scrubby boyfriend's house whose roommates recently had scabies. Yeah. We're both talking about saving money for a trip this winter, as well as all the other random things we want to do til then, but she didn't want to wait a few days til she can get some from in town.

I'll admit I've smoked in the past before her and have since joined her for some here and there but it's getting old, and I wonder if she'll ever change. She doesn't always eat very well, never exercises, and can be careless with things when she smokes. The more serious we get the less I'm willing to put up with it. Makes me very leery about ever having kids, because they don't deserve to have to deal with it.

The problem is her having to keep it a secret from so many people, including many we work with (yup, we work same place, actually how we met). It obviously puts us both in a bind.

I've tried leveling with her at least once a year about it all, but some of the stuff she comes back at me with makes me kinda wonder why we're still together. Her reply is almost verbatim "maybe we're not meant for each other". Ok, so say we break up, then everyone's wondering why and I have to keep the reasons a secret or else she gets into trouble with work at the very least.

This is the type of shit drug habits bring into people's lives.
So, if anyone still wonders why I'm so conservative and hardass about things, it's because the alternative far too often leads to what you just read through.


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I'm with Afeedz, this red up here ^^^^ that's both her and your excuses for her getting high, she's too busy, she's too stressed, she's too sad, she's too bored, etc, there will ALWAYS be a "valid" reason you'll rationalize to excuse the unexcusable behavior, because it makes you feel like it's not totally her fault, it's not that she doesnt want to it's that she cant, poor thing has the odds against her right, how else will she cope? NO, stop feeling sorry for her and her shitty life decisions, stand up for yourself and for what you want, you are a valuable person who has a right to discriminate what you may or may not tolerate, clearly she underestimates you, dont even focus on her anymore, focus on you, your plans your goals, your life and how she fits in it or how she doesnt and make a decision based on your present not based on what she "might" be or if she "might" change, dont do that to yourself, it's not fair.
 
It's difficult to break up with someone you've been with for a long time and you still love. I did the same thing for the exact same reason. I couldn't see myself marrying and having kids with someone that got high every day. It was hard, but it was the right thing for both of us because I was beginning to lose respect for him in my mind. Just expect that it's going to be hard. It won't feel good, but once the hard part is over you won't look back.

Now that I'm older I think I could tolerate it more if it was like, only right before bed and it was very well hidden from the kiddos...but I don't know. I have not been around it in so long.
 
jnevin said:
In this case, "convince" means choke and beat.
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Your ad hominem attacks are lame and uninformed; They're still "cute" as far as internet attacks are concerned.

That would have been a domestic violence charge; I've never had the police called for DV nor committed DV, I have been the victim of DV from a couple of girlfriends, I've never been arrested or charged with domestic violence. I made an Alford plea to a straightforward aggravated assault with provocation, that means I was attacked, stop being sexist.:)

You're entitled to have an opinion but you aren't entitled to your own facts.
 
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smurf2 said:
Good luck "getting her to". Dude , decide what your bottom line is, then stick to it. DO NOT get any more serious with this girl. You cannot change her and she won't change just because that's what YOU want. Trust me, Ive been there. If youcant see yourself with her long term exactly as she is now, then leave.
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Yep. Now, she MAY change, but those odds are losing ones for you even if she does. And as the Old Hag said, if she changes b/c you are asking her to (or worse, guilt tripping her), it's gonna cause resentment and probably not last.

Move on. Enjoy life. No person is a perfect match, but lifestyle is too important not to demand the best possible situation for yourself.

Pussy. I love you.
 
Being with an addict is a bizarre and baffling experiences. The good news is, you learn from it, the bad news is you learn from it
You cannot change an addict no matter what you do. Their addictions totally control them. You then develop an addiction to the addict and it's really hard to leave.
Like someone already suggested; get to an Al Anon meeting. It's super scary at first to walk into a meeting, but there are no rules. You do not have to talk or share. You can also attend an opened NA meeting and just listen to what others are saying.

I could not change my ex's who are addicts, so I left once the crazy train got too intense. It was hard to leave, I endured abuse, lies, and mental mind games and still could not leave. When the cheating started, I was done and never looked back. But it took me getting into Al Anon to unravel the mess that is addiction and realizing my own codependency and issues.
I put my focus on me and my issues and I suggest you do this as well.

Good luck.....it's a hard place to be in
 
KillahBee said:
Yep. Now, she MAY change, but those odds are losing ones for you even if she does. And as the Old Hag said, if she changes b/c you are asking her to (or worse, guilt tripping her), it's gonna cause resentment and probably not last.

Move on. Enjoy life. No person is a perfect match, but lifestyle is too important not to demand the best possible situation for yourself.

Pussy. I love you.
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You mother F'er'
 
Does her stress get in the way of things like sex and intimate time? Does her smoking pot get in the way of those activities?
 
If the pots a dealbreaker for you, get out. If you stay with someone who does something that drives you totally f'ing nuts you're going to resent the shit out of them eventually. If you're in love w/her and you want to make it work, make it work, but get off her ass about her personal habits. You cannot make someone do something, period. Even if they make changes to placate you, eventually they go back to their old habits, or get seriously resentful.
 
You can't change someone you are with to make them into who you want. Move on and find someone who is what you want. If she does change shes going to leave you anyways because shell be feeling so good about herself that shell think she can do better than you even if she cant. But I have seen in several times in the past where someone I know pushes their significant other to clean up their life, get in shape etc and when the person does improve their life they think they can improve their boy/girlfriend and they will also have some resentment for being forced to change
 
UA_Iron said:
Does her stress get in the way of things like sex and intimate time? Does her smoking pot get in the way of those activities?
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Let's just say smoking is her self-admitted favorite thing to do. I think we're going to hit a wall sooner or later especially when it comes to ever wanting kids. The biggest thing is the can of worms it's going to open up, unless we can both get by on being very vague to everyone about the reasons if we ever split.

But like I said, it's not like she never went there already, so it'd be far from a shock for either one of us. It sucks because other than lifestyles we're pretty good together and I do love her, but I can only bend so much when it comes to standards, especially when marriage and kids are on the table.

Thanks to everyone for the input too. It's sketchy to discuss this in person with anyone since we both know the same people and you know how that can go.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Let's just say smoking is her self-admitted favorite thing to do. I think we're going to hit a wall sooner or later especially when it comes to ever wanting kids. The biggest thing is the can of worms it's going to open up, unless we can both get by on being very vague to everyone about the reasons if we ever split.

But like I said, it's not like she never went there already, so it'd be far from a shock for either one of us. It sucks because other than lifestyles we're pretty good together and I do love her, but I can only bend so much when it comes to standards, especially when marriage and kids are on the table.

Thanks to everyone for the input too. It's sketchy to discuss this in person with anyone since we both know the same people and you know how that can go.
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OK...I'm going to lay this out as succinctly as possible. What's wrong with smoking pot? Up until about a month ago, I hadn't smoked pot since I went into the Army in 1979. I picked it back up recently and I like it. Why did I? Here's why...

I saw my wife and I drifting apart. Her life focused around MMJ advocacy and mine focused around fitness...quandary, yes? Oddly enough, it was I who suggested MMJ to her for her chronic pain. She embraced it and is now a pretty "big player" in the "industry" and has even been published.

BUT! I digress...

I saw us drifting apart. So....I thought I'd meet her "halfway" and begin smoking right before bed. Ya know what? I've never slept better. I've always been a light sleeper and when "on" it's even worse....I now sleep wonderfully. And we have a great time sharing together. While we smoke we play Yahtzee or Scrabble and have a great time.

Relationships are give and take and they most certainly aren't easy, but sometimes if we step out of our box...it can be fun. I know...I did...and I like it.
 
It smells horrible. Plus, you don't want your 10 yr old son asking " what's that smell?" Or " why is daddy always in the bathroom?" Or "whats he tapping on the bathroom sink for?"
It gets real sketchy when you have little kids in the house
 
smurf2 said:
It smells horrible. Plus, you don't want your 10 yr old son asking " what's that smell?" Or " why is daddy always in the bathroom?" Or "whats he tapping on the bathroom sink for?"
It gets real sketchy when you have little kids in the house
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This plus lung damage(yes tobacco is worse but they are both bad) memory loss, what if ur both stoned and an emergency happens? Both judgement and motor skills are impared for driving and decision making

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Omfg if anyone drinks, and is married or has kids, it's no different. I would say worse, if your drinking and something happens your way more fucked then if your stoned no comparison
 
Take it from me, Darlin. I stayed in a relationship cause it was the "right" thing to do. Cause I refused to look at the bad and made excuses for his behavior. Years passed and two kids later, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish I left sooner. If it's gonna happen anyway don't waste any more time.

She will not change for you.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Let's just say smoking is her self-admitted favorite thing to do. I think we're going to hit a wall sooner or later especially when it comes to ever wanting kids. The biggest thing is the can of worms it's going to open up, unless we can both get by on being very vague to everyone about the reasons if we ever split.

But like I said, it's not like she never went there already, so it'd be far from a shock for either one of us. It sucks because other than lifestyles we're pretty good together and I do love her, but I can only bend so much when it comes to standards, especially when marriage and kids are on the table.

Thanks to everyone for the input too. It's sketchy to discuss this in person with anyone since we both know the same people and you know how that can go.
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My ex-wife gave me her priorities, work, Nitchske and then me; by me she meant our relationship. I would put Nitchske above me as a loving moral entity but I won her back during our dating years by agreeing to conform to her expectations because I love her but putting UPS above the person that went out of their way to make them happy? It made me miserable and her unfulfilled no matter how successful she was in her career. We finally ended up in therapy and she didn't want to go back after the first session because her view wasn't advocated by the therapist. He simply stated, "Maybe you shouldn't be together."
 
javaguru said:
My ex-wife gave me her priorities, work, Nitchske and then me; by me she meant our relationship. I would put Nitchske above me as a loving moral entity but I won her back during our dating years by agreeing to conform to her expectations because I love her but putting UPS above the person that went out of their way to make them happy? It made me miserable and her unfulfilled no matter how successful she was in her career. We finally ended up in therapy and she didn't want to go back after the first session because her view wasn't advocated by the therapist. He simply stated, "Maybe you shouldn't be together."
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So she was open-minded, right?
 
Mr. Hansel, have you tried emotionally abusing her yet?

Gotta build this one up slow and nasty (helps to be on roids too).
 
UA_Iron said:
Mr. Hansel, have you tried emotionally abusing her yet?

Gotta build this one up slow and nasty (helps to be on roids too).
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tit(motherfucking)cr(eam)

PS - I was talking with a girl (space) friend last night just catching up and describing how it is to live with my girl now. I noted that it is my strong belief that love holds together relationships, but logistics hold together marriages/live-in-deals. She then commented that I just ruined every cheesy romantic daydream rom-com moment girls have to themselves.
 
zeosim said:
Omfg if anyone drinks, and is married or has kids, it's no different. I would say worse, if your drinking and something happens your way more fucked then if your stoned no comparison
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Someone who is married with kids shouldnt be drinking OR smoking pot everyday. Either one is bad and everyday use indicates a problem.
 
smurf2 said:
Someone who is married with kids shouldnt be drinking OR smoking pot everyday. Either one is bad and everyday use indicates a problem.
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who are you bangin nowadays? how many more kids have slid out of that watering hole of yours?
 
mistaballoonhands said:
There's a reason she's only been a gf for 8 yrs bro... You don't trust her after 8 yrs? Move on
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opps just read the clatification...
but yea think about thd long run, can you manage this behavior ?
its best to end things now, believe me youll live more relaxed... Try talking to her first but she seems a little immature :S
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just...v said:
Take it from me, Darlin. I stayed in a relationship cause it was the "right" thing to do. Cause I refused to look at the bad and made excuses for his behavior. Years passed and two kids later, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish I left sooner. If it's gonna happen anyway don't waste any more time.

She will not change for you.
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Christ you're a fucking mess
 
simply dave said:
OK...I'm going to lay this out as succinctly as possible. What's wrong with smoking pot? Up until about a month ago, I hadn't smoked pot since I went into the Army in 1979. I picked it back up recently and I like it. Why did I? Here's why...

I saw my wife and I drifting apart. Her life focused around MMJ advocacy and mine focused around fitness...quandary, yes? Oddly enough, it was I who suggested MMJ to her for her chronic pain. She embraced it and is now a pretty "big player" in the "industry" and has even been published.

BUT! I digress...

I saw us drifting apart. So....I thought I'd meet her "halfway" and begin smoking right before bed. Ya know what? I've never slept better. I've always been a light sleeper and when "on" it's even worse....I now sleep wonderfully. And we have a great time sharing together. While we smoke we play Yahtzee or Scrabble and have a great time.

Relationships are give and take and they most certainly aren't easy, but sometimes if we step out of our box...it can be fun. I know...I did...and I like it.
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Thanks for the input. I mentioned I've joined her a few times, and we have some good conversations and enjoy each other's company on it, but I personally could never keep my shit together if I did that regularly. I have a tough enough time making dinner or remembering to turn a burner off. It's completely delegated to a rec. drug for me and I can't be doing anything important, because my mind is in a dozen different places, and thoughts triggered by pretty much any external stimuli. Maybe that has something to do with growing up with OCD.

I could never be a functional stoner either because, aside from not burning up money, I like how I feel sober overall more than the passing phase of a high. Not to mention being high all the time costs quite a bit of money and I have no interest in growing/caregiving (regardless of my name, ironically enough). I think a big problem is more and more people don't know how to deal with or be happy unless they're "on something". Everyone's always looking for an excuse to get "fucked up." I can deal with that to a certain point on special occasions but it's definitely not a lifestyle for me.
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
Thanks for the input. I mentioned I've joined her a few times, and we have some good conversations and enjoy each other's company on it, but I personally could never keep my shit together if I did that regularly. I have a tough enough time making dinner or remembering to turn a burner off. It's completely delegated to a rec. drug for me and I can't be doing anything important, because my mind is in a dozen different places, and thoughts triggered by pretty much any external stimuli. Maybe that has something to do with growing up with OCD.

I could never be a functional stoner either because, aside from not burning up money, I like how I feel sober overall more than the passing phase of a high. Not to mention being high all the time costs quite a bit of money and I have no interest in growing/caregiving (regardless of my name, ironically enough). I think a big problem is more and more people don't know how to deal with or be happy unless they're "on something". Everyone's always looking for an excuse to get "fucked up." I can deal with that to a certain point on special occasions but it's definitely not a lifestyle for me.
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It does the same thing to me. Thoughts that would normally be background noise are brought up to the surface and it is a lot of clutter. It's not very enjoyable. I become pretty much trapped inside myself until it wears off.
 
zeosim said:
Omfg if anyone drinks, and is married or has kids, it's no different. I would say worse, if your drinking and something happens your way more fucked then if your stoned no comparison
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Heroine is way more fucked up than coke, doesn't mean coke is ok, everything is bad when abused, id being social means getting drunk you need new friends, if you need to get high everyday to relax, sleep, feel happy, etc then something is wrong with ur life, nerding ANY kind of mood altering substance often is dependence.
Like hansel said he likes how he feels sober, that is how healthy functional people should feel

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She's not into you bro. She's just too lazy to break up with you.

Now kick her ass to the curb! If anyone at work asks why you broke up, tell them to ask her.

Really though you can tell them anything. You guys just weren't as compatible as you thought, she's a lesbian, she votes democrat, she got herpes from fucking her drug dealer for a score, whatever. Just move the fuck on. It will be liberating and it won't be a tenth of the big deal you think it will be with your mutual friends and co-workers. People you don't even like anyway. God damn son, I thought you were smarter than this.
 
plus, she's totally cheating on you. She went into that house and got railed by all those scabies having mofos to get her shit for free. You think she's stupid enough to drive all that way just to save a few bucks when, with the price of gas she'd have spent more than that just on the trip? She fucked em all. She's been fucking for weed for a long time too. You don't believe me? Setup a sting.
 
javaguru said:
My ex-wife gave me her priorities, work, Nitchske and then me; by me she meant our relationship. I would put Nitchske above me as a loving moral entity
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Do you mean Nitschke? The linebacker or the euthanasia guy?

Either way, you wife was freaking weird, man.
 
Lumberg said:
Do you mean Nitschke? The linebacker or the euthanasia guy?

Either way, you wife was freaking weird, man.
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Yes,Nitchske and not Nietzsche, the Green Bay Packers linebacker, I named him. I also wore a sweatshirt to the gym that said, "Nitchske never wore an earring."
 
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plus, she's totally cheating on you. She went into that house and got railed by all those scabies having mofos to get her shit for free. You think she's stupid enough to drive all that way just to save a few bucks when, with the price of gas she'd have spent more than that just on the trip? She fucked em all. She's been fucking for weed for a long time too. You don't believe me? Setup a sting.
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Jesus dude, she's a pothead not a crackwhore lol. Besides, she went all that way because that's the only place she could get any for the weekend, period.

If she was really that dirty my peener would've fallen off by now.
 
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pdaddyII said:
Christ you're a fucking mess
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I had no one to help me out of it. I had to wait until my boys were old enough to stay home because I had no education and no way to pay for daycare.

Or I could have left earlier and gotten on welfare and make Fucktards like you pay for daycare, medical expenses, and food. I've never been in drugs, never abused alcohol.

I don't get why pulling myself and my boys out of the gutter makes me a fucking mess. From were I stand, I'm handling it. So you can suck my ass you dickless wonder.
 
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just...v said:
I had no one to help me out of it. I had to wait until my boys were old enough to stay home because I had no education and no way to pay for daycare.

Or I could have left earlier and gotten on welfare and make Fucktards like you pay for daycare, medical expenses, and food. I've never been in drugs, never abused alcohol.

I don't get why pulling myself and my boys out of the gutter makes me a fucking mess. From were I stand, I'm handling it. So you can suck my ass you dickless wonder.
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Can I cyber?
 
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javaguru said:
Yes,Nitchske and not Nietzsche, the Green Bay Packers linebacker, I named him. I also wore a sweatshirt to the gym that said, "Nitchske never wore an earring."
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Ray was an inspiration for me as a kid; Nobody was going to run between the tackles on my watch. :)

I was going to hit the ball carrier so hard his girlfriend would feel it. :)
 
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Ray was an inspiration for me as a kid; Nobody was going to run between the tackles on my watch. :)

I was going to hit the ball carrier so hard his girlfriend would feel it. :)
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Nitchske bump!

In the first vid Nitchske cleaned up his personal life on his own will.
 
lololol @ using vince lombardis packers as examples of anyone who needed to clean their life up.
 
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lololol @ using vince lombardis packers as examples of anyone who needed to clean their life up.
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It's relevant to the thread; People "clean up" their life when they decide to "clean up" their life. It doesn't come down from "on high."
 
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