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I didnt say it was equal sacrifice, I meant the *concept* of someone being forced to do something that still merits being thanked.
ironically those soldiers and wars are financed by all those taxpayers. So our military wouldnt have the money to send soldiers to wars if it werent for the american taxpayers.
To listen to how many people's "educated opinions" run on this board you'd think America is the highest taxed industrialized nation in the world, it isn't, not the lowest by any means, but not the highest. Yet our country is NOT among the happiest, not by a long shot. Not to mention the fact we are a world leader, yet we have people who are without healthcare, homeless, hungry. There's something very wrong with this picture. Blaming it on people being lazy, abusing the system, that's easy and a cop out.
The vast majority of people on welfare are single mothers and if you look at the statistical information the amount of people who work and still collect welfare has risen significantly since the 1990s. Characteristics and Financial Circumstances of TANF Recipients, Fiscal Year 2010 | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families To me that says that incomes are going down, that the number of working poor is increasing.
Yes, there are people who abuse the system but the vast majority are trapped by the system. Children learn what they live and study after study has proven it. I'd like to find a more "objective" source to illustrate my point but this will do (good grief, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rick Santorum ...):
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all
I have no idea how to fix it, but making life even harder for people who are already broke isn't the answer. I know "giving a man a fish" is not the solution but leaving him to starve to death entirely is inhumane, as well. Take education, the voucher system is not the solution. It's pie in the sky, at best. You're taking more money away from the public school system and forcing children to compete for placement in "better" schools, and private schools are private institutions, they don't have to take you if you don't belong to their religion and they can defer educating special needs children on the basis of not being equipped.
How do you get off of welfare when you have a small child or two and no job skills? How do you pay for daycare? Yes, you can make money and your children still get supplemental nutrition and healthcare, but what about the parent? When I worked full time and my son was small I had no family or friends that could babysit, everybody else worked full time, too. I had to go back to school to get a job that would allow me to put my son in daycare and still make a profit. I needed my mother to cosign that loan for me. What do you do when you AND your parents are on welfare, who cosigns the loan, then? (please don't tell me about free education for poor people, I have an autistic stepdaughter on welfare and SSI and the Office of Vocational Rehab sure helped her get training for her job -- cleaning toilets for minimum wage -- then they traded her off to a new caseworker and haven't returned her calls in two years). And then we're still back at the child care problem. I'm pretty familiar with what is and isn't available in terms of public assistance out there -- at least in Pennsylvania -- and I'm telling you, for honest people who need a hand up, NOT A WHOLE HELLUVA LOT. Now, how do the people that everyone sees using a SNAP card driving fancy cars talking on fancy cell phones do it, I don't know, I can't tell you.
There is something inherently wrong with a country that has so much, and yet such a disparity of class, in a supposedly democratic nation. Why are so many people so unhappy, so unhealthy, so hopeless.
I just don't understand how so many can be so callous. Welfare recipients are your fellow humans. How can you be so disdainful and dismissive of someone that could, but for the circumstances of your birth, be you? For more than half of Americans where they are in life is directly related to the choices their parents/grandparents made, short and sweet, and that's what statistics say, not me.
As my dear friend Plunkey has pointed out to me, there is no call for insults, on this point I concede he is correct. You're being rude.
And unless I'm sorely mistaken, currently every member of every branch of the United States armed forces was originally a volunteer (of course, as you've pointed out, they must comply with orders after taking the oath). We all knew what we were potentially getting into (every member of my family has served the country since 1812, including myself and my son ... although evidence indicates that my great-to-the-fifth-power grandfather may have fought on the side of the British in the Revolution).
Following your logic, how stupid is it that people keep thanking the 9/11 first responders? Can you even begin to imagine how much money and granite has been wasted nationwide memorializing soldiers, police and fire fighters who die in the line of duty? They were just doing what they were supposed to do, like a plumber snaking a drain or the garbage man who dumps your trash, right?
Jesus fuck you are retarded.
YOU are the idiot claiming they (top taxpayers) deserve no thanks because they were just doing what they were legally obligated to do.
our point is that so are military members (and first responders) and we still thank them. Why do you feel the need to thank one person for obeying the law, but not another for obeying another law?
By the way, you are entitled to think the money spent in memory of those who gave all is a waste, and I am entitled as a United States Marine, combat veteran, and first responder to tell you to go fuck yourself you ignorant bitch. You have never done anything in your life honorable enough to be able to degrade those who have sacrificed their lives in service of others, so your opinion doesn't fucking matter at all.
YOU are the idiot claiming they (top taxpayers) deserve no thanks because they were just doing what they were legally obligated to do.
our point is that so are military members (and first responders) and we still thank them. Why do you feel the need to thank one person for obeying the law, but not another for obeying another law?
By the way, you are entitled to think the money spent in memory of those who gave all is a waste, and I am entitled as a United States Marine, combat veteran, and first responder to tell you to go fuck yourself you ignorant bitch. You have never done anything in your life honorable enough to be able to degrade those who have sacrificed their lives in service of others, so your opinion doesn't fucking matter at all.
mrplunkey
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Good logic.
Now let me try the same line of thought in a slightly different direction.
Since people who pay their taxes aren't being kind, they are merely complying with the law...
Corporations or individuals who engage in elaborate schemes to shelter their tax liabilities and deny those funds for public use aren't being unkind either -- they are merely complying with the law.
Wouldn't you agree?
See? You and I may see eye-to-eye on more issues than you'd think.
Plunkey, liberal logic 101 dictates that abiding by the law is only okay if it benefits the agenda of said liberal.
You cannot expect to reason with these people. They are brain washed beyond repair into thinking it is the responsibility of Billy to feed Bobby, since Billy makes more money, and Bobby had shitty parents. Big goobermint to the rescue!
You cannot expect to reason with these people. They are brain washed beyond repair into thinking it is the responsibility of Billy to feed Bobby, since Billy makes more money, and Bobby had shitty parents. Big goobermint to the rescue!
I apologize for taking long to reply. I was working
The bolded is an excellent point, though. I was born to teenage parents who could barely put food in my mouth but didn't rely on a soul other than themselves to make ends meet. But now they own multiple businesses, real estate, etc., and don't really have to work another day if they chose.
I can empathize with all those people but I don't feel sorry for a single able bodied person that chooses to feel sorry for themselves. They can get out. I've witnessed it first hand
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