HGH question....

[SUST-MAN]

It probably blocks the positive effects of HGH & Steroids.....makes you impotent, bald, and stupid.

Why is it....that the better something is for RIGHT NOW....the worse it is in the long run!

OH WONDER DRUG.....WHERE ARE YOU?

 

[BigDog60]

bump for any other input

 

[SUST-MAN]

bump

 

[fhg43]

Well said IM. I guess I was just confriming that I was wrong on the idea that Ox and GH would work synergistically. I guess it's important not to stray too far from the bottom line here. GH/Slin/AS...they work.

As for Ox and avandia, I now see how Ox actually increases the effiecency of a low dose of avandia by slowing it's metabolism.

And as for the rat poision, If I need an anti-coagulant while on Ox, I'll think twice.

IM, and Nandi- my aversion to test is very simple. I believe, based off my cycle history, that test in any form would cause me to blow up like a balloon. I gained 10+ pounds of solid bulk from a cycle of upjohn winny at 50mgs EOD. I got gyno from a moderate dose of fucking andro products. I think I'm very responsive to hormones, hence my decison to stay on a low dose of a low androgen. I think with test/GH/slin, I'd gain enough weight that I would begin to hinder my athletic performance.

GH/Ox/avandia seems more appropriate. Eat right, Rest enough, train like a fucking madman...that's all I need.

I love this thread!

I too am very responsive to hormones. I used1-AD (prohormone) and I blew up-I gained 10lbs (which is death for endurance athletes) inspite of my generally catabolic training! It doesn't take much to make me gain weight.

I am of the opinion that endurance athletes should use very low does of test. Their test levels are significantly suppressed anyway from extended training sessions and just a little test goes a long way.

Although your sport may not be an "endurance" event, MB, if you are spending 6+ hrs a day training you are suppressing your natural hormone levels. From what I've gathered your training intensity is rather high and even with lots of rest/recovery your natural test levels will drop after a number of weeks of training competing. And they'll stay low until an extended rest period.

FHG

 

[SUST-MAN]

Will someone please put this thread in "BEST OF ELITE"

It has so much amazing information....and there really isnt that many HGH threads in BEST OF....

 

[monkeyballs]

Although your sport may not be an "endurance" event, MB, if you are spending 6+ hrs a day training you are suppressing your natural hormone levels. From what I've gathered your training intensity is rather high and even with lots of rest/recovery your natural test levels will drop after a number of weeks of training competing. And they'll stay low until an extended rest period.

FHG

While my training volume is high (4+hours ED), the majority of my training falls under the category of short duration, high intensity excercise. From what I've read, this kind of excercise actually stimulates natural hormone production. Aerobic exercise does have a catabolic effect, and does supress hormones to a cetain extent...but pure aerobic training is only about 10% of my total training volume. Probably not enough to supress natural test production at all, and if so, the sets of heavy squats probably more than compensate.

Do you have any studies handy regarding the effects of aerobic training on hormone levels. If so I'd like to give them a glance.

Also, how long would you consider an extended rest peroid?

 

[fhg43]

While my training volume is high (4+hours ED), the majority of my training falls under the category of short duration, high intensity excercise. From what I've read, this kind of excercise actually stimulates natural hormone production. Aerobic exercise does have a catabolic effect, and does supress hormones to a cetain extent...but pure aerobic training is only about 10% of my total training volume. Probably not enough to supress natural test production at all, and if so, the sets of heavy squats probably more than compensate.

Do you have any studies handy regarding the effects of aerobic training on hormone levels. If so I'd like to give them a glance.

Also, how long would you consider an extended rest peroid?

I'll do a search or reference some reading material at home for a study on aerobic training and hormonal suppression. I have a few good studies on how it suppresses the immune system, but we all knew this anyway.

I think your training is probably test-promoting rather than test-suppressing.

Extended rest period 2+ weeks. At the end of my competetive season I have to take a 3-4 week break to recharge and rest up. I usually compete from February-September so I even take a short break in the middle of the season. If you have been injured that tends to be a good break from training and competition granted the injury wasn't too traumatic. I am of the mindset that being inactive due to injury sucks, but you usually comeback stronger. Mentally you are hunger to compete and physically your body repaired the injury and even some nagging issues that may have hindered you from peak performance.

FHG

 

[BigDog60]

bump for more good stuff

 

[rohadawg]

just load up on whatever you can and get on with it

 

[needsize]

by far the most informative post I've ever read on elite, I wish there were more posts like this now, I'd pay for platinum again in a second