Hey I'm new and need help with Clenbuterol ?

[tigerlord]

Hi everyone!

I'm new here, I've made plenty of research and read a lot, but I would feel "safer" verifying if what I read is accurate, and perhaps even a little more guidance would be appreciated. I am not sure if this is against any rules, I did not see any post prohibiting this. If I offended anyone please accept my apologies !

So, I'm 20 years old, 1m87cm (6'.1") and weight around 98kg (216lbs) with an IMC of 27. I used to be 80kg two years ago, since I was doing a lot of sport. but then I moved to Europe, and medschool happened, and I didn't the time to exercice enought, so here I am today.

I follow a healthy diet through the week, and allow myself pudding and ice cream in the week-end (in reasonable amount of course). I purchased in November an Elleptical trainer, and do 45 minutes per day. My weight loss has begun, but it's going a little slow.

I'm trying to first build up a good cardio endurance, and then I'm thinking about buying a few weights. Before though, I'd like to go back to 80kg. I've heard Clenbuterol helps. I read many articles, downsides and upsides, and finally decided to buy 120 tablets of Spiropent.

However after finding this site I read it must be used with Taurine to prevent the thyroïd to convert T4 into T3, as well as liver pain and muscular cramps. I also read T3 stacked with Clenbuterol greatly enhances the effects of the weight loss.

It was my aunt who first proposed Clenbuterol. She's in Canada and said her personnal trainer suggested it, but they were difficiult to come around in the US/Canada because they are illegal. I live in Europe, Luxembourg. They aren't so difficult to come buy (except in Italy, about 8€ for the bottle, but I haven't been able to order any because I don't speak italian, lol!) so as mentionned, I ordered the Spiropent. My aunt said I should take 2 in the morning, 1 at lunch, for 8 weeks, and 2 days off per week.

This however comes in contradiction with most posts I've seen here. Most posts I have seen suggest starting with 1 pil (20mg), then 40, then 80, and then maintain 80 for 2 weeks, then 2 weeks off.

Is this accurate? And where does the Taurine and T3 come in?

Finally, can you guys suggest a good place to pruchase Taurine and T3? I haven't been able to find anything that looks reliable here in Luxembourg or Germany. I haven't checked in France or the UK yet, but I recon you guys are more knowledgeable !

Sorry for the long post, and thank you in advance for your help, it is very
much appreciated !

Mods: Sorry I cross-posted this in the platinum forum, I thought I'd get a faster answer here seeing the flow of posts, when I tried deleting it it gave me a 505 error?

 

[tigerlord]

I've made a few more research and it seems Cytomel is the best T3 used with Clenbuterol ?

 

[Canuck #1]

I've made a few more research and it seems Cytomel is the best T3 used with Clenbuterol ?

Yes, but be very careful with cytomel (t3's), if not used correctly it can really screw up you thyroid function... Must ramp up properly,, ramp down properly,, do not overdose and do not stay on it too long.. Definatley do your research on it before you even think about putting it in your body.. really bro,,for someone as young as yourself with your stats.. T3's are not for you,,even clen is unnecessary,,It would be different if you had alot of expierence under your belt and were using it to come in great for an upcoming show, but thats not the case..I think you'd get the results you need with good diet,proper cardio and weight training program....even a good ECA stack would help alot...why put unnecessary strain on your body and risk possible serious side effects you would have to deal with for the rest of your life... anyone else that can chime in ???

 

[52_21_30]

yeah this kid does not need to be messing with clen and t3.

 

[tigerlord]

I'm a first year medstudent, so I "have" been doing my research, and posting and asking for advice here is part of that research. Telling me I'm a kid and shouldn't be doing this, it's more condescending than helpful. If you knew I was going to do it anyway, would you not rather help me avoid a mistake ?

I know all about TSH and the production of T4 in the Hypophyse and it's transformation in the tissues in T3... I actually wrote an exam about it last week. The only reason I want to go with Clen and T3, is to speed up the process of myw eight loss. I hate myself as I am, and as much as I would like to be in the gym every day, I just don't have the time with University. Eating well and doing 45min a day at home on my elliptical trainer is the best I can do now. It works, but it's slow. Once I'm where I am, I'll keep my healthy diet like before the family and personnal crisis that pushed me to move to Europe and changed a part of my life, leading me to stop doing sport.

I am well aware of the risks of T3, in fact the Hypophyse secretes around 25mg of targeted T4 for tissues to be used and transformed into its various hormonal functions. So I've seen posts about 100mg at day 22, and that scared the shit out of me, much too dangerous. What I'd like are guidelines as to how to incorporate it with the Spiropent. My guess is 1 pill of 25mg a day for the first cycle, then in the middle of the 2nd one, top at 50mg and see what happens?

Finally what's a Taurine brand, and where can I purchase some quality product of it?

 

[52_21_30]

Knew you were going to do it anyway? Great maturity for a med student. Remind me not to take anyone to you for a check-up. And if you were so fucking smart you wouldnt be dabbling in compunds that can cause serious harm and even death (T3) if not used properly. You also wouldnt be using them at 6'1" and 216 lbs. If you're that height and weight and are looking into these compounds to lose weight, you are grossly out of shape and need to get on a diet, do cardio, and lift some weights. Having experience with "sport" doesnt cut it.

But do what you want. Just make sure to dose while you're at school so when your heart starts taching at 200 bpm and you go into a thyroid storm, they might be able to defibrillate your ass. But then again, it's a forgein med school, so they probably dont know which end is up anyway.

 

[tigerlord]

I was merely asking for advice on how to keep the dosage low to avoid unnecessary thyroid damage. I do not understand where all this hostility is coming from. What did I ever do to you?

Although it is unhealthy to do so, I'd like to lose that weight fast. Canuck, a fellow Canadian brother (I'm from Montreal by the way, I do own a Canuck ), suggested another approach. It just happens that I have already purchased the Clen and was looking at final advice before starting using it. In the event many disagree I should use Clen, what's ECA exactly? And can I use Clen without T3 to get goof results? Only reason I learneda bout T3 is when I read a sticky on these forums somewhere!

Thanks in advance!

 

[Kabeetz]

Dude if you're gonna insist on doing it do it 2 weeks on/2 weeks off... start very very, very low and ramp up until you feel the sides, (the shakes, etc.), and then ramp down the last couple days. There will not be much fat burning benefit after about two weeks.

Not very effective at higher bodyfat % and really shouldn't bother supplementing with any fat supps until your diet and training are in order, it will really probably be a waste of time.

Honestly a lot of people will tell you ephedrine and caffeine is far more effective for them, especially over time.

DO NOT mess with T3 under any circumstances. Why mess with your thyroid to lose a few pounds.

 

[Kabeetz]

In fact since you're a platinum member if you do a search or scroll through that all time best posts thread there is a really great clen f.a.q. type document by andy (can't remember exact name).. you paid the money, might as well get your money's worth.

 

[tigerlord]

My goal is to keep doing "cycles" until I reach my goal, then drop it all and keep drinking Oog-long tea (I have had great results keeping my weight drinking this sort of tea, while doing some sport. Google it, we actually did a lab on this at university and the studies published were confirmed).

So if 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off is dangerous what sort of cycling do you suggest doing?

Yeah I signed up for Plat because I figured the search engine alone would be worth it, plus I'm a mod on another community and from what I had read before signing up, people do great work here, so supporting such places is important !

 

[tigerlord]

The FAQ was here: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210446&highlight=clen+faq

It's how I came to ask about T3. If you believe it to be very dangerous, then I guess I won't use it. The FAQ mentions Taurine. Where can I get that? Finally, at day 18 it says ECA/NY stack ? Is there another informative FAQ on that?

For the Taurine, is this ok? http://www.drugstore.com/qxp42159_333181_sespider/gnc/taurine_500_mg_tablets.htm

The FAQ said Id need 3-5 per day, so 10 pills seems a lot though. I guess I could try finding more concentrated pills

 

[Kabeetz]

2 weeks on/2 weeks off is the way to go, and if you ramp correctly the sides shouldn't be too bad.

You should supplement with taurine and potassium, they can be found at pretty much any vitamin shop in America, should not be a problem for you to find. anywhere from 2.5 to 5 grams of each, taurine during the day potassium before bed.

See the drawback to clen besides safety or sides..is that the first two weeks it will work great, and then after that your body just kind of adapts to it and it becomes very ineffective, very quickly, even after u take the two weeks off and go back on. Diminishing returns.

So the cost-benefit ratio just isn't really there. There was a time when bodybuilders used to smoke cigarettes to burn calories too, technology and knowledge about training, diet and cardio have come a long way and frankly that three pronged approach is more effective than anything short of aas.

Stick with the tea and go for a jog.

 

[tigerlord]

Thanks for the tips, I really appreciate it.

So Clen is overrated? So all those posts here, are they lying or something? I've hard about doing ECA during the 2 weeks you are off Clen. What's ECA exactly ?

I do "jog" 45min per day, so I am actually losing weight, not just fast enought.

 

[pentatonic]

Thanks for the tips, I really appreciate it.

So Clen is overrated? So all those posts here, are they lying or something? I've hard about doing ECA during the 2 weeks you are off Clen. What's ECA exactly ?

I do "jog" 45min per day, so I am actually losing weight, not just fast enought.

Everyone has their own opinion. Some say it's overrated, some don't. I don't think it is. The side effects can be a bitch sometimes though. Sounds like you've read enough about it to know the side effects and know what your getting into, I see no reason not to try it if you want to.
I use the 2wk on/ 2wk off

 

[tigerlord]

After getting good help from very helpful and nice members (that would not include 52_21_30) also via PM I've decided to stack ECA witht he Clen instead of T3. I knew it could be dangerous, but some of you freaked out so much, I might have underestimated its effects.

So I'll try the 2 weeks on/2 weeks off for clen, and on my week off Ill go with ECA. Of course Ill keep doing sport and my diet during that time, with supplement of Taurine and Potassium.

Thanks for the help

 

[needtogetaas]

ill tell you what to do with Clenbuterol.throw the shit in the trash.imo though.

 

[PuraVida]

ill tell you what to do with Clenbuterol.throw the shit in the trash.imo though.

I disagree, I lost allot of weight very fast on it (10lbs in two weeks). But my diet was right on and so was my training.

Although I wouldnt recomend clen anymore now that albuterol is available and is more effective. Albuterol doesnt give me any anxiety or shaky hands and I feel better when I train on albuterol than clen.

If you already bought the clen and cant resell it or get your money back take it, but I recomend albuterol.

I was taking 120mcg per day, my anxiety was high and my hands were shaking like if I had parkinsons but I sucked it up and finsihed the two weeks.

 

[needtogetaas]

I disagree, I lost allot of weight very fast on it (10lbs in two weeks). But my diet was right on and so was my training.

Although I wouldnt recomend clen anymore now that albuterol is available and is more effective. Albuterol doesnt give me any anxiety or shaky hands and I feel better when I train on albuterol than clen.

If you already bought the clen and cant resell it or get your money back take it, but I recomend albuterol.

I was taking 120mcg per day, my anxiety was high and my hands were shaking like if I had parkinsons but I sucked it up and finsihed the two weeks.

I know a lot of people do good on it but for me it just killed me.
I would also recamend albuterol not because I have taken it but more because I have herd nothing but good things from people who have.it seems it works just as good with out all them dame sides.

 

[Canuck #1]

Tigerlord, I've been on this site for awhile now,, in the beginning mainly reading, learning and not doing much talking.. There's alot of good useful information on here. People can be harsh when someone comes on here because they, and myself take what we do very seriously. It takes years to gain the knowledge most people on here have..

I've experimented with different doses of ECA,Clen, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 days on 2 days off. stacking clen/t3's (safely as possible),to see what works for my body.
What Im getting at is that different fat loss agents may work a little differently for different people. Some like clen,,some don't. I know what work best for my body, which might not be best for the next guy. This knowledge comes from alot of dieting, weight training, good cardiovascular regiment and gaining alot of usefull information from people like on this board... I'm sure you can gain alot of information from research and studying. But knowing your body and what works for you and what doesn't,,,,, and most importantly when to STOP something when you know that it just doesn't feel right, is, I believe the key, and you can't learn that in ANY book. It comes from alot of years of hard weight training, diet and the lifestyle that you HAVE to live to make it all come together. Its alot of hard work and dedication. Pretty well everyone on here lives this lifestyle, and 75% of the people still wouldn't touch t3's...
So for you to come on here with your stats and lack of practical knowledge and not knowing what works and what doesn't for your body and want to start taking drugs that can really harm yourself is prob. why you are taking some flack..
I believe everyone has to start somewhere...Thats why I believe you should get some good information...If you are stuck on taking the clen then start at 20mcg per day for 2 days, then jump to 50mcg for 2 days, then to 75mcg for 2 days. And if you can handle the sides then goto 100 mcg. I'd stay on 100 mcg for only 1 week, then take a good thermogenic like thermorexin or Firelean extreame (my fav.) or take a seperate ECA stack for 2 weeks then repeat.. Clen has an approx. 34 hr half-life so taking it once or twice per day will sustain your blood levels.. But Taking a good ECA stack or buying them seperate and taking 25mg ephedrine. 200mg caffeine, 325mg acetylsalicylic acid, twice per day, I think a great starting point and very,very effective if coupled with good weight training,cardio and diet plan...

 

[tigerlord]

So for you to come on here with your stats and lack of practical knowledge and not knowing what works and what doesn't for your body and want to start taking drugs that can really harm yourself is prob. why you are taking some flack..

I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone. Could I have offended people because my "stats" to your eyes does not scream for the need to use drugs? I don't want to muscle myself up, it's never something I wanted. I just want to be happy with myself and the way I look. I never meant to sound like a smartass. I'm just so fucking impatient sometimes, and sure going too fast isn't always good, but I've had it. Plus a break-up after 3 years motivated a change !

You all seemed so knowledgeable, and there is SO MUCH crap you can read on the net and what Google feeds you, and since I have never consumed any sort of anabolics before, you never know what is accurate or not. It's like this trainer in Montreal who said I should do 5 days a week for 8 weeks non-stop on Clen @ 60mg every day, even on the first. I'm glad I asked here, otherwise I feel I would have regretted it a lot.

Following many of your advice I'll be very careful and see where it leads me. I'll be a little concerned after I stop completely though, hopefully my body won't react so abruptly as to store all that lost fat as quickly as possible... I guess we'll see then !

 

[krishna]

Clen is crap!

 

[Canuck #1]

Clen is crap!

Clen works good for me, I just can't go above 100mcg or the sides are pretty bad.

 

[solidspine]

This however comes in contradiction with most posts I've seen here. Most posts I have seen suggest starting with 1 pil (20mg), then 40, then 80, and then maintain 80 for 2 weeks, then 2 weeks off.

This should work fine, see how you react to the lower dosages before you go up,

T-3 is not necessary

 

[krishna]

Clen works good for me, I just can't go above 100mcg or the sides are pretty bad.

I meant it's crap because it's bad for you and makes you feel like shit. Clen makes me lose muscle too. I know because I had my bf tested eod while on it. I preserved more muscle during fat loss with diet alone.

 

[gttnbig82]

Hi everyone!

I'm new here, I've made plenty of research and read a lot, but I would feel "safer" verifying if what I read is accurate, and perhaps even a little more guidance would be appreciated. I am not sure if this is against any rules, I did not see any post prohibiting this. If I offended anyone please accept my apologies !

So, I'm 20 years old, 1m87cm (6'.1") and weight around 98kg (216lbs) with an IMC of 27. I used to be 80kg two years ago, since I was doing a lot of sport. but then I moved to Europe, and medschool happened, and I didn't the time to exercice enought, so here I am today.

I follow a healthy diet through the week, and allow myself pudding and ice cream in the week-end (in reasonable amount of course). I purchased in November an Elleptical trainer, and do 45 minutes per day. My weight loss has begun, but it's going a little slow.

I'm trying to first build up a good cardio endurance, and then I'm thinking about buying a few weights. Before though, I'd like to go back to 80kg. I've heard Clenbuterol helps. I read many articles, downsides and upsides, and finally decided to buy 120 tablets of Spiropent.

However after finding this site I read it must be used with Taurine to prevent the thyroïd to convert T4 into T3, as well as liver pain and muscular cramps. I also read T3 stacked with Clenbuterol greatly enhances the effects of the weight loss.

It was my aunt who first proposed Clenbuterol. She's in Canada and said her personnal trainer suggested it, but they were difficiult to come around in the US/Canada because they are illegal. I live in Europe, Luxembourg. They aren't so difficult to come buy (except in Italy, about 8€ for the bottle, but I haven't been able to order any because I don't speak italian, lol!) so as mentionned, I ordered the Spiropent. My aunt said I should take 2 in the morning, 1 at lunch, for 8 weeks, and 2 days off per week.

This however comes in contradiction with most posts I've seen here. Most posts I have seen suggest starting with 1 pil (20mg), then 40, then 80, and then maintain 80 for 2 weeks, then 2 weeks off.

Is this accurate? And where does the Taurine and T3 come in?

Finally, can you guys suggest a good place to pruchase Taurine and T3? I haven't been able to find anything that looks reliable here in Luxembourg or Germany. I haven't checked in France or the UK yet, but I recon you guys are more knowledgeable !

Sorry for the long post, and thank you in advance for your help, it is very
much appreciated !

Mods: Sorry I cross-posted this in the platinum forum, I thought I'd get a faster answer here seeing the flow of posts, when I tried deleting it it gave me a 505 error?

I really hope you ment 20mcg!

 

[Canuck #1]

I meant it's crap because it's bad for you and makes you feel like shit. Clen makes me lose muscle too. I know because I had my bf tested eod while on it. I preserved more muscle during fat loss with diet alone.

Thats wierd because clen is an anti-catabolic,,the anti-catabolic effects deminish after 2 weeks but actually the fat burning benefits of clen last little longer,,..did you take it longer then 2 weeks..??Thats why I cycle of every 2 weeks and also why when I take it when I take T3s,,I stack T3 with clen to save as much muscle as I can,because the T3's will make you lose muscle..

 

[tigerlord]

I've been on 80mcg for a few days and I don't feel any side effects, is this normal ? I ramped up slowly from 20mcg. I take potassium and taurine supplements, haven't had any cramps during cardio workouts so far.

I'm doing one more day on 80mcg, then I'll go up to 100mcg and see what it looks like. I do have a fast pulse of 90, but no shakes. Did I get lucky?