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Hello every one...I am muneca new to the board and I am in need of help.

I just started my cycle (winny) on Tuesday and I need some answers.
I dont understand when you guys refer to SIDES:confused: could this be side effects? today is Friday and the only thing I have felt since I started taking winny is weak kinda sick...is this normal? I started with 2 pills a day 10mg each, one at breakfast and one in the afternoon with my snack before working out....I will be taking my cycle for 6-8 weeks.

To fill you in Im 28yrs 5'2" 130lbs I want to loose 15-20lbs and my main goal is to slim down and tone. Any suggestions.

Thanks you guys...I realy enjoy reading about everyones experience, and let me say that I truly admire Brickgirl for the amazing transforation she has accomplished...keep it up girl.....

I will take pics this weekend so you guys can critique
 
Alright Muneca.....I am so glad you posted :) I did PM you back :) Muneca means doll in spanish, are you spanish?? I like that name...... I did tell you tho in the pm......winny is probably not what you need now---- it wont help you cut.....maybe you can get some advice on going a diferent route to help you lose and tone. Winny will add mass= meaning more weight......Its great to ask the questions, get some good critiques going, sink it all in, and know you can fix it up...and reach your goals. Post some pics when you can.....always nice to put a face or body to the name :angel: I will duck out now........ ADIOS
 
Warlobo....yes this is my first cycle ever....I could not stand myself anymore, I would hide from the world I was so ashamed to be seen in public, whenever my period came around I would get so emotional I would break down and cry because I felt so fat. I normally wear a size 3-4 and now I'm in a size 5-6. Im not happy, that's why I decided to make a change.

What I think it will do for me??? I think I will get the boost I need to reach my goal. My boyfriend is a health body and with his help I've learned to eat healthy, which is a good thing. Im trying so hard to maintain focus.

Any advise on a workout routine??

I'm doing 45-60 min cardio 5-6 days a week.

Mon- I do back/chest
Wed- legs
Fri-arms Any suggestions??
 
ann...Yes muneca stands for baby doll in spanish, thats my nickname. I am so pettite my friends say I look like a muneca. I am originally from New Orleans but I was raised in Guatemala...where my father was born, my mom in German.

Well the reason why I decided to take winny is because at the gym I've seen women on it and I love the results. My advise from them was just to do alot of cardio and not too much on the weights...although I know weights are very important. Any suggestions?
 
by HEALTHY, WL meant it may be on the high side... especially if it is your first cycle and you have no knowledge of what it can do to your body...

STERIODS DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN FAT

you really need to do some research on this... i suggest coming off this cycle until you are more educated!!!!

good luck to you, but you are going about this all wrong...

welcome to the boards by the way... stick around and read... lots...

phem
 
phem.....no offence but I think I am seeking advise/education/knowledge. I've seen with my own eyes results from other women that are very pleased with their first cycle. Thats pretty convinsing dont you think!! And no matter how much research you do or how much info. you have, NO BODY is the same...you may react to something that may be beneficial to me

Thank you for your welcome!!:google: I'll try to stick @
I will post some pics for before and after.
 
no offene taken, but the research should come before the action, not during/after...

1) winny hasn't been a popular drug of choice around here over the last month or so

2) as mentioned... that dosage is a little on the high side... whatever happened to starting low?

3) great results are achieved through years of hard work... not through popping some pills...

and you don't need winny to do a lot of cardio and loose fat, get an eca stack and eat good clean food (and enough of it) ....

winny is a steroid... not a magic pilll... it will build muscle (add often add weight, not subtract it) and its not likely to help your menstral distress either..... (famous for causing bloat for one)

based on your stats and goals, i personally, like wl, wonder if you really knew what you were doing when you started this cycle...

really hate to be so blunt, but these aint baby asprins we're dealing with....
 
Thanks Phem....Its obvious you know more than I....but the research I've done have come from trainers at my gym. I've been going there for one (1) year and I've seen good results. I live in Miami, FL and maybe here things are done a bit different....I am a very practicle person and I guess my drive in life are actual facts....I will give thought to your comment, but I am not getting off of them now...I have 6 weeks to go and I guess I will be the judge of my out come. :friends:

I like the fact that you are blunt....thats the only way to go. Thanks!!:D
 
stubborn ass... :D

well, if you aren't feeling well doing what you're doing, change it.. i suggest backing off on the dosage a bit... know you don't want to hear it, but it sounds like what you are doing right now, well, your body's pissed... if you read around some gals here are starting at 2.5mg...
brickgirl only does 4mg a day....

split the pills and at least drop it to 10... see what that does for you... don't expect these things to give ya energy or a 'boost'... they may help in muscle repair/recovery if you are training HEAVY... but i don't think they'll really help ya doing all that cardio.....

good luck
 
Hi Muneca.....I have put on close to 10 pounds with winny.....it will put on the weight ( good weight if you hit the weights hard ). I did my cycle to add mass and weight to my size . I knew it was going to do that to me. If you have read up on it, you know you are going to be getting some major sides in another 3 weeks or so when the winny kicks in......deepening of voice ; swollen clitoris ; menstral cycles knocked off, and zits. Be prepared..... But dont waste your money and not hit the weights hard ; I think you need to come up with a new workout schedule, so you know you will be getting the most for your money. A while back, everyone posted their workout schedules.....you might want to chk those out for some pointers. The weights with this cycle will be your key to gaining muscle, mixed in with some cardio and a good clean diet. Make sure you are also taking a good multivitamin,some milk thistle for you liver.....Keep asking questions for pointers or concerns.
 
ann said:
Hi Muneca.....I have put on close to 10 pounds with winny.....it will put on the weight ( good weight if you hit the weights hard ). I did my cycle to add mass and weight to my size . I knew it was going to do that to me. If you have read up on it, you know you are going to be getting some major sides in another 3 weeks or so when the winny kicks in......deepening of voice ; swollen clitoris ; menstral cycles knocked off, and zits. Be prepared..... But dont waste your money and not hit the weights hard ; I think you need to come up with a new workout schedule, so you know you will be getting the most for your money. A while back, everyone posted their workout schedules.....you might want to chk those out for some pointers. The weights with this cycle will be your key to gaining muscle, mixed in with some cardio and a good clean diet. Make sure you are also taking a good multivitamin,some milk thistle for you liver.....Keep asking questions for pointers or concerns.
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the thing is, i don't think this girl wants to gain muscle, i never once got that impression at least... but hey... if that's what eveyone in her gym is doing to get results then so be it....

hate to see what happens when cliff jumping becomes a fad in Miami??? :D

i'm just playing with ya girl, but don't follow trends just cause that's what gave some people results... you said it yourself, eveyone's different, which means that what works for a couple people in your gym may NOT work for you...
 
Raised in Guatemala huh? How neat....my dad was there many moons ago, and has some cool artwork hanging at their house from Guatemala. Where I use to live ( latin country) my nickname was always Flaka. I use to hate it !!!! Oh well, I can think of a lot worse to be called....I still remember all the bad words, and cuss my husband out in spanish :)
 
Phem....Im sorry I missled you:( what I ment by loosing the weight is that I want to loose the body fat and gain in muscle. I DO WANT TO GAIN MUSCLE not fat.:)

you make me laugh.....in a good way:D I love your sarcasim
 
ann....pretty cool stuff ehh!! I love Guatemala I was raised there and another nickname was La Gringa, I hatted it.

What kind of sides did you experience??

PHEM.... this is just conversation!!!:mix: dont get all technical.
 
Please do a search of My name on the womens board for threads that have to do with Winny so you have a clue of what you may be doing to yourself.

Star
 
Welcome:) I saw you are upset at wearing a size 5-6????? ummmm that is not big! It is true it will not burn fat...it will preserve muscle while dieting but that is it....no magic there. Understand that there are sides....it may take a while before they kick in...or you may not experience any....its all individual, but just be prepared and ready. Make sure your diet and training are in good shape. You do not want to waste your money and have a half ass diet and training routine. I dont know if wearing a size 2 is your goal or what??? But do not be so concerned about sizes, scales etc. Shit I used to wear a 2 and now i wear anything from a 4-7 even 9 and i look 10x better. but i dont care about numbers!!! Its easy to get wrapped up in that bull shit and get discouraged or down on yourself...what is your bodyfat????? Wow first post i got to type H!!! im at school:) anyways........just sit back and read the boards and get as informed as you can!!!!!!
 
[email protected] are right, I have to break the pattern of focusing on what size I wear. I very excited though about my cycle...the only thing is just to see what happens...:) I'll keep you guys posted.
 
PLEASE DO A SEARCH IN REGARDS TO THE SIDES......GEEZ!!!!! LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE ALREADY!!!!!

Star
 
I have often seen trainers at gyms be the dumbest mofo's on the planet. Also what works for a guy as far as this stuff goes, doesn't always work the same for a woman.


PS: I have also known trainers who knew more than some doctors I know. My point is that it's hard to really know their education, and understanding.
 
hello and welcome......

OK First things...One of the major sides for women is
VIRILIZATION (among others):

This term refers to the possible masculinization that females may sustain due to the ingestion of anabolic/androgenic steroids. As in male athletes, steroids also cause a suppression of the gonad cycle in females. The hypophysial excretion of HDL and FSH is inhibited which results in a secondary amenorrhea, meaning absence or abnormal cessation of the mensis. This side effect is reversible after the steroid has been discontinued. Visible signs of a virilization can be acne vulgaris (simple acne), hirsutism (excessive bodily and facial hair), alopecia (androgen-induced loss of hair), and changes of the skin structure similar to the males'. These side effects are usually considered reversible but, depending on predisposition or with the consumption of high dosages of mostly androgenic steroids and with extended usage, there is a possibility that these changes may remain after the steroid has been discontinued. The same is to be said about a possible clitorihypertrophy. The first sign of virilization is often a slight change in the voice in form of hoarseness. A deepening of the voice is irreversible and usually remains life long. in women one must also take a possible increase in the libido into account. Some females become increasingly aggressive during steroid intake only to fall into a depressive state after steroids are discontinued. The increased aggressiveness is due to the elevated androgen level, whereas the possible depression is suggestive of an estrogen rebound which occurs after the steroid regime has been discontinued. Since the estrogen production is suppressed by the LH and FSH inhibition, a significant elevation in production can follow. If steroids are taken during pregnancy, there is the possibility of a masculinization of the female fetus. The occurrence and manifestation of these side effects depends largely on genetic factors, the dosages, the length of consumption, and the type of steroids given. In spite of all the known excellent, performance-enhancing effects of anabolic/androgenic steroids in female athletes, one must weigh the risk against the gain, since many of the potential side effects are not reversible.

You should have known these ad all the potenital other sides before you even put a thing in your mouth!


Second.....

I think you've got your goals all wrong. The first long step includes a strict diet and exercise regime. This is not a curefor your unhappiness with respect to your physique, it is serious stuff. Based on your goals, and since you don't even want to train heavy ad focus on cardio, I think a simple eca (effedrine caffeine aspirin) stack willl do the job for you.

Third......

Your initial dosage is way too high. You may not see the side effects for another 2 weeks, but by then your dose may be too much. Moderation and caution should prevail. I just started my first cycle of stanazonol (winstrol) ttokkyo 10 mg tabs, I divide them in 4 and take 2.5 mg per day. I am not even thinking of going higher until I see how it goes. And if it doesn't go well, I will stop.

I have also been working out for around 8 years off and on, and the last 3 with heavy weight training. I have also made this decision on my own based on my research etc.....
 
and you mention Brickgirl's success also. Did you also read that she never went more than 4 mg ed. And she started with 2 mg. Please read before anything else.
 
There is not 1 trainer at my gym whom I would take 1 single bit of advice from. The stuff they tell me simply amazes me. I hear them tell there "clients" stuff all the time, and I just sit back and laugh, I'm sure there are some great trainers, just not at my gym. The thing is, a lot of people think the trainers know what they are doing, and are given totally wrong advice. Oh well, I'm sure they will learn sooner or later :)
 
Best advice....take it slow...low dosages...u can always bump it up if needed...and starting low makes it easier to be cautious to sides.....personally for a first cycle... i wouldnt start at 20mgs.....but its my opinion. Give it a week or so and see.
 
my opinion

some people are stubborn. but there is a difference between stubborn and ignorant!!! just for the sake of saving myself time typing (probably wouldn't make a difference anyways), i agree w/ phem and tripleV 100%. all i have to say is re-read all their posts. and then re-read them again.

do a search(notice the button at the top of page) on star. put some effort into reading. and as warlobo once said..."guys don't know shit about women and roids!" well, w/ the exception of some on this board.

post more details also. what brand winny? were they sealed? are you sure that's what they are? how did you arrive @ 20mg/day? should you re-arrange your workout routine? post diet info???? the list goes on and on.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY...WINNY WILL MOST LIKELY PUT SOME WEIGHT ON YOU. MASS, MASS & MORE MASS W/ LOTS OF SIDES USUALLY!!!!!!!!!

just my two cents.
 
Hola!! Hope everyone had a great holiday!! (Labor Day)

I think if you abuse anything you will get bad results and sides...look at it in different prospective...It may just work for me. I'm into my 2nd week and I feel GREAT.....I really cant trust anyone, you can only trust your own body and listen to it. Not Dr.s (I work for an Assc. w/ over 2,000 physicians), personal trainers, or even all the research in the world can tell each and everyone of you what is beneficial for YOUR OWN body, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. So again, my thing is that I only know what I see with my own eyes. I know how MY BODY WORKS just like each and every one of you know how your body works, and what you can take and how much of it.
Honesty, please someone fill me in...some of you have been taking pills (steroids) more than once, which if you ask yourself???in the long run you will get major sides because you are abusing it. You dont think all this other shit like Hydroxycut, etc. if taken for too long can cause damage to your body? maybe not now but I can assure you it will down the line. And I quote, this is coming from a DR.

Yes, maybe I am doing it all wrong, but if I am I will continue to do it all wrong cause I feel GREAT!!!

I took pics this weekend, I'm getting them developed and I will post them this week.

Thank you for all your input....I will keep you posted. And if I start getting ugly and start being afected with sides, you will be the first one to know and I will be a champ and accept all of your critics.
 
Well I dont think you will start turning ugly.....maybe a giant zit or two on your nose :) You are right, it is your body, your decision. My body, my decision--- Cest la Vie :D Have you added other supplements??? A daily vitamin, milkthistle,maybe some E???
 
Thank you Spatt! Could not have said it better...........:)
 
You are so right Spatterson.....several have tried to dissuade her--- but she is stubborn, as she says :) Heck, I gained almost 10 lbs and gaining still.......:rolleyes: She is in her 2nd week now, and might be noticing the sides soon.......or none at all.

Anyway Muneca, how is the workouts going ? Have you stepped it up a notch? Forgot to ask you that in my last post.....
 
I cant help to being stubborn....

My work out is going very well. I am actually looking forward to going to the gym everyday. Im spending more time on weights and...boy do I feel good!! ZITS ooh!!....not nice but I can deal with it for a few weeks.
 
muneca said:
I know how MY BODY WORKS just like each and every one of you know how your body works, and what you can take and how much of it.
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but you do not know how AS work... you can know everything you want to know about your body, but until you understand what you are putting into you're only seeing half the picture....

that's all i got to say, leaving my butt outta this one from now on...
 
Phem...no one really knows how A.S. works on their own body until they try it. People know the basic concept and all the shit people say good and bad, but you really dont know until you go though it. ALL DRUGS ARE BAD..DRUGS HAVE DIFFERENT EFFECT ON PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ABUSE IT. And thats all I have to say about that.
 
(once again i'm responding after i said i was done, hehe i'm so easily dragged into things :) )

re-read my post... i didn't say anything about how they worked in ones body... of course everyone is different, no arguement there...

but all through this thread you have exemplified that you have no real knowlege on AS in general... (NOT how they work in your body, but their purpose and overall consequenses (sides)...)

drugs are not bad, they are chemical compounds... it is ignorance (or lack of) when using these chemical compounds that make them good or bad (ignorance meaning lack of knowledge or understanding)

okay done for real now :)
 
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muneca>>>>

since we can't change your mind, you're pretty set on your own decisions....

why not post some pics and stats and update them weekly with your progress.

thanks!
 
Well she is 2 weeks into her winny already.....lets sit back and look for her progress reports.....no reason now to tell her to stop......she is knee deep in the s- - t:D Like Triple said, tell us your stats before you started, and let us watch you GROW !!!
 
Ann...gracias!!!

I will get my b/f% and stats and post them along w/my pics. I guess just tag along for the ride, I will update once a week to let you guys know how I feel, if any sides attack:alien: and my growth progress:D The only thing I can say in regards to sides is that I am horny all the time:horny: My boyfriend is loving that part....:loveyou: :loveyou:
 
My .02 is the same as everybodyelse. The only thing I will add is if your are lifting heavy or even somewhat heavy be prepared for your joints to start hurting. Winnly will pull the fluid from them and you will know it. Since you have already stated you are not coming off till the end you might want to throw in some deca or EQ to ease the joint pain. After all two tissue builders are better than one. Especially since they attach to different receptor sites. And lets not forgot Test. It will also cause bloat to help those joints feel better. Since you go by other peoples experiences I can tell ya I love stacking test with deca or EQ. I have had great gains in muscle size and definition. My body responds very well to it.
 
I am NOT thinking of taking anyting else until I experience winny first.
Just wanted to fill you in and I feel great. No sides yet, but I'm not really thinking about it...I'm just taking it one day at a time.
 
brickgirl and spatterson

Don't be so harsh on me, I was being sarcastic. I disagree with her taking anything at this stage. Please forgive me for being cynical.
 
Flexx said:
brickgirl and spatterson

Don't be so harsh on me, I was being sarcastic. I disagree with her taking anything at this stage. Please forgive me for being cynical.
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i got the humor in it, maybe you should added some Fina or a crapload of Halo a week ;)
 
Thanks for being concerned.
I read in a Anabolic Steroid Reference Manual about the dosage on winny for women is as follows: “Women will take somewhere in the range of 8-16 mg DAILY, or 4-8 (2 mg) tablets. Although females usually find stanazolol very tolerable, THE INJECTABLE IS OFF LIMITS!!!
I am taking the pills and believe me I am so thirsty and I’m drinking so much water….my urine is very clear. Clean diet, taking my protein shakes. I’m into the end of my 2nd week and so far I feel good. My energy level when working out is intense and my resistance / endurance are double of what I am accustom to doing. I got my period yesterday and I felt a bit moody, but that’s normal for me. I didn’t see changes in my moodiness since my cycle. I just hope I can maintain balanced. Keep positive!!! That’s the name of my game.
I'll keep you guys posted. I promise next week to have my pictures back from getting developed, I've been so busy.
 
"I normally wear a size 3-4 and now I'm in a size 5-6. Im not happy, that's why I decided to make a change. "

You're kidding me, right?

How long have you been training? What's your diet like?
 
poohbear said:
"I normally wear a size 3-4 and now I'm in a size 5-6. Im not happy, that's why I decided to make a change. "

You're kidding me, right?

How long have you been training? What's your diet like?
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trust me pb, you're better off just leaving this one alone :D
 
Who FUCKIN cares if you wear a 4 or a 6?? Sizes are not important and should NOT be an issue at ALL! If you are taking AS simply for that reason...you got some issues! You should judge yourself by bodyfat %, how you look in the mirror...not by size...I have some clothes that are 4s...and some are 9s!!!! I hope this is not a concern of yours...cause if it is...you really should sit back and really think and make sure you are doing all of this for the right reasons!!!!!!!!!!! I spoke for ya phem;)
 
My experience:

I started my very first cycle with 50mg Primo. After 4 weeks went up to 75mg for two weeks.
Wasn't paying attention, wasn't thinking, etc... Boom lost my voice. I immediately stopped Primo but to no avail. That was 4 weeks ago and my voice shows no sign of lightning up. Not only is it embarrassing but it is a dead give away of AS use. I can no longer sing. It's a real effort just to talk. I sound like a bull frog. I'm really sick about it. :(

I also acquired cystic acne and dark course chin hairs I have to constantly tweeze. The texture of my skin has degraded from fine/clear/unblemished to course/bumpy/cyst prone

So Muneca, be aware. If your voice starts to crack or even just feel funny STOP everything immediately. A sore throat isn't the only prerequisite. Mine never got sore, which is maybe why I dismissed the changes that were happening. I thought it was just my increased cardio workout and the result of gasping for breath in the cold AM air. And to be honest.... I just plain forgot!

Don't be a flake like I was. Pay close attention to your body. I know I've never paid attention to mine, never had to till now. Example: I'd get up in the morn wash my face with ivory, do my hair and I was out the door. Ne'er a glance in the mirror. (never had zits or wore makeup) So it's something that one has to learn. Stop and look in the mirror.
Remember the old STOP! LOOK! and LISTEN!

I know nothing of winny but if I was you I'd take the advise of these women here on the board who do, and backoff and go slow. Better safe than sorry.

I'm 47y/o and have hep B and C which might account for the degree and quick onset of my sides. (?)
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I'm going to maybe try some of that Clenbuterol and calorie cutting to see if I can cut some fat off that way first ( i'm 25%bf) before ever trying Primo again.
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Maybe I should start a new thread with this but I'll ask it here anyway, sense I'm here. Has anyone tried estrogen to reverse voice damage? Has anyone *ever* succeeded in reversing voice damage? If so, how?

I'm on my way to look into the larynx right now but I've found this so far http://www.ncvs.org/lifelong/faqs.html

"Other changes can occur due to changes in hormone levels:

Women can have a lowering of pitch from the loss of estrogen in their bodies during and after
menopause. This can be prevented or reversed with estrogen replacement therapy.
Men's voices tend to get higher as they age, as their levels of testosterone drop."

Sorry for going on here.....Take it EZ Muneca.
 
My experience:

I started my very first cycle with 50mg Primo. After 4 weeks went up to 75mg for two weeks.
Wasn't paying attention, wasn't thinking, etc... Boom lost my voice. I immediately stopped Primo but to no avail. That was 4 weeks ago and my voice shows no sign of lightning up. Not only is it embarrassing but it is a dead give away of AS use. I can no longer sing. It's a real effort just to talk. I sound like a bull frog. I'm really sick about it. :(

I also acquired cystic acne and dark course chin hairs I have to constantly tweeze. The texture of my skin has degraded from fine/clear/unblemished to course/bumpy/cyst prone

So Muneca, be aware. If your voice starts to crack or even just feel funny STOP everything immediately. A sore throat isn't the only prerequisite. Mine never got sore, which is maybe why I dismissed the changes that were happening. I thought it was just my increased cardio workout and the result of gasping for breath in the cold AM air. And to be honest.... I just plain forgot!

Don't be a flake like I was. Pay close attention to your body. I know I've never paid attention to mine, never had to till now. Example: I'd get up in the morn wash my face with ivory, do my hair and I was out the door. Ne'er a glance in the mirror. (never had zits or wore makeup) So it's something that one has to learn. Stop and look in the mirror.
Remember the old STOP! LOOK! and LISTEN!

I know nothing of winny but if I was you I'd take the advise of these women here on the board who do, and backoff and go slow. Better safe than sorry.

I'm 47y/o and have hep B and C which might account for the degree and quick onset of my sides. (?)
___________
I'm going to maybe try some of that Clenbuterol and calorie cutting to see if I can cut some fat off that way first ( i'm 25%bf) before ever trying Primo again.
___________
Maybe I should start a new thread with this but I'll ask it here anyway, sense I'm here. Has anyone tried estrogen to reverse voice damage? Has anyone *ever* succeeded in reversing voice damage? If so, how?

I'm on my way to look into the larynx right now but I've found this so far http://www.ncvs.org/lifelong/faqs.html

"Other changes can occur due to changes in hormone levels:

Women can have a lowering of pitch from the loss of estrogen in their bodies during and after
menopause. This can be prevented or reversed with estrogen replacement therapy.
Men's voices tend to get higher as they age, as their levels of testosterone drop."

Sorry for going on here.....Take it EZ Muneca. Take it from one who screwed up.
 
Dont be sorry....thank you for dropping a few lines.
Today I am starting my 5th week of winny and I feel great. But sure....I'll keep in mind what you say. Thanks for the info.
 
Muneca -- how's your cycle going? Very interested to hear about it. I guess the concensus is that people wouldn't recommend your cycle, but since you're set on it, how's it going? Are you going to be posting pics? How has your weight changed since you started? How are your workouts?

Any sices besides the horniness?

Zits?

Hairloss?

Voice Changing?

Clit enlargement?

Others?

Would just like to know.

Wyst
 
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