help Sus pain

[islandbound]

Ttokkyo Bullshit

To be honest bro I don't why in the hell you're using that Ttokkyo nightmare sauce, I had to give up on it myself and just take the loss. But if you must continue using it, here's some things you can do:

1) heat the oil first in warm water (5 minutes or so)
Some people say they do this in the syringe, but for sterility reasons, why not just heat the bottle in water before drawing up?

2) mix it!! Deca or equipose if you have them to dilute the alchol content.

3) massage the hell out of the injection site afterwards, like you said, to dissipate the oil fro the site.

4) inject in the mornings as opposed to the evening...this way you're walking around during the day and the oil can dissipate better. Or some say they inject on leg day, and do their workouts afterwards for further dispersion of the oil in the site. I'd go out and walk around, but God, with that shit it made no difference!

5) About baking it. This is controversial. The info I've come away with is that it MAY lessen the pain by evaporating the benzyl alcohol by cooking the vial (with a venting pin) for about 3 cycles of 25minutes of low temperature. (heating, cooling, then again). However this may also weaken the potency of the gear, and you may end up with not that much benefit (not a LOT of pain decrease) and then weak gear. IMHO, it's not worth doing.

6) Toss that bullshit and get some Organon sust! Ttokkyo's next batch of shit will have less alchol content by the way...they are aware of the problems with their testonon.

Also, if your ass is UNTOLERABLE like mine was, or the heat is intense from the area and swelled (you may have a fever too), then I'd suggest you go to a doc if it persists for longer than a couple days and doesn't get better. If I've said anything incorrectly I'm open to correction by a more knowlegable vet. Good luck!

 

[LCBUTLER]

I had pain with sust injections until I started taking a shower immediately after injecting, and then rubbing the injection site for several minutes in the shower.

I also really concentrated on relaxing during the injection, I noticed I would tense up a bit, so I tried to really be calm.

Make the shower as hot as you can stand and massage the injection site very well. Use soap or something to lube it so you don't rub your skin off.

Optionally take 800mgs Ibuprofen after the shower, and make sure you have your milk thistle.

I have not had a painful injection since.

Hope this helps.

LC

 

[ptRICK]

using the ttokyo sust is really a pain in the butt...i just finished an injection 2 days ago and am sore as hell..diluted 1cc sust with 1 cc test cyp and still hurts...did put a hot wash cloth in my glute afterwards...also time before last i did a hot shower nozzle on my glute which helps...i hope they correct this benzyl alcohol s#$t that was added to the sust in the future or i'm off tk sust for life...i hear their test cyp has alcohol in it...give me a break..

 

[Johnny V]

THANKS LC!!! That sounds great and gives me much hope! I will continue to do my Delt and will try your shower idea and massaging it with hot water. Almost excited to try it and see if it works since my left shoulder still hurts from monday!

 

[Will_Dog]

Best thing for me is to take the injection and then soon after go to the gym and do legs. Especially hack squats where you can get real low and work your ass. I tried the shots without doin legs and with, and it definetly helps tons. Try it and you'll see.

 

[gtaman]

If sus hurts so much and so reliably why do so many of us take it?

More experienced guys, is there a test that works just as well or better without the same pain? Cypionate, or enthanate?

What are the pros and cons of using just a single ester and which one do you think is best? Maybe a separate thread but I'd like to hear from guys who no longer use sus but use another test and find it preferable.

 

[Austin316]

which Sust brand is the least painful then?

 

[LCBUTLER]

Thanks for everyone's reply. I will try all of this. Also I have been doing the injections in my Delts so yes they do swell up and look awesome BUT I can not get my hands over my head without extreme pain....

Let me know how it goes. Just remember to rub, rub, rub, not real hard, but thouroghly, and try to relax that muscle while you inject, I know it is hard to do, especially in the glute since you are doing the twist to just get it in there, I have to stretch for about 5 minutes before shooting my left glute.

Anyway good luck.

 

[galaxy]

Basic chemistry lesson for everyone. You cannot dilute an alkaline base by heating or warming . It has to be heated in an open area to evaporate. Anything else creates sludge. So mixing something else with ttokkyo's sus will not dilute the alcohol. Now you know something .

 

[Johnny V]

UPDATE:
Ok I tried everything and it was only a bit better but my arm is still killing me today even though last sus injection was saturday morning. Here is what I did:
Heated my sus with cap open in a bowl of hot water with the tap running for 10 minutes
injected my right delt with 1.5 CC's then went to the gym right away and did shoulder and tri workout
can home showered with a hot shower and massaged the area while in a hot shower.
After that I was fine till about 7 hours later and then about 8 pm at night it hit me. Pain in my shoulder and my shoulder becomes bloated and hard as hell. Can not lift it over my head or reach straight out which of course causes bad work outs.
SO any more ideas? The only thought I had was start using a bigger muscle group to inject into like Quad or Glut. Thoughts on that?? It hurts and this sucks but sus is so awesome I do not want to give it up and can not get a better brand.....

Thanks again for everyone's help!