Help! Horrible moon face on katandrol helladrol stack

[mckaytaylor]

Hey guys this is my second cycle after my var only cycle.

I was running katandrol 2.0- 250mg ED
And helladrol 75mg ED

I wanted to gain some lean mass and loose fat.

Well I'm 7 days in and I'm holding water like crazy. I have a huge moon face and my skin is jiggling like there's is literally water right under the skin. I'm 6'1 230 and about 12 percent body fat.

What should I do?? Ive been running forma stanzol at 9 pumps 2X a day a week before my cycle and up until now and I'm still puffed up like a ballon? Thanks guys

 

[Arabian]

I would drop my dose back and go to the pharmacy and get some OTC water pills! Works Ike a charm and a hell of alot cheaper than those supplements!

 

[thebigoz]

Adex should help with the water retention. Chances are it's estrogen related and the Forma just isn't potent enough.

I'll be running these at 300/100 starting tomorrow, so hopefully I avoid this side, hahaha.

 

[mckaytaylor]

Alright water pills. I'll grab some. Should I up those dose on the forma? Also what should I drop the dose on the hella or kanta? Which one is causing the excess estrogen?

 

[mckaytaylor]

What if I put the forma stanzol directly on my face? Would that help the bloat or would that be bad?

 

[thebigoz]

The estrogen isn't in your face, buddy

Do you have any other Anti-E's on hand? You're already running Forma at 18 pumps ED? I doubt increasing it would have any effect whatsoever. Sounds like you just need a more potent Anti-E.

 

[mckaytaylor]

Ya I was just hoping it might dry it out! Haha might as well have asked. I have nolvadex but I was planning on using that for ptc and technically it's not a AI. I didn't think I was going to need one as I had forma and neither PH should have aromitized. But I do have some proviron on the way. Would that help? Thanks bro

 

[tren test nut]

How bout a little arimidex,Letrozole, and or the liquid version sold at chemicalneed.com? Every other day(arimidex) til the estro is under control? I think your just really suseptable to the estrogen sides. Armidex is potent. Need to research it and see what ya think. If ya dont want to run a strong anti estro than the only other alternative will be cutting your dose back or just not even using that particular "supplement" at all. Try Beastdrol. Or not.

 

[hurricane]

do u have anything else handy? try a something else like adex..letro is a bit overboard, i wouldnt try adex first

 

[mckaytaylor]

Wait what would u suggest to try first? And I don't have any handy but I was looking into chemicalneed as hopefully it could get here pretty fast. So what would u suggest I order to try out? And do u think it's the hella as the Katan is a dht derivative so it can't aromitize?