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TxRugby_8

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Today i was diagnosed with Social Anxiety Disorder. Ever since i could remember i never hung around large groups of people or was ever really the center of attention, but i never thought it was anything bad, I just thought i was shy or laid back. But lately when i'm around a lot of people, ecspecially people i don't know i start to panic (ie. sweat, get nervous, a little shaky). I mean, i don't understand it, cuz there's nothing about me that should make me do that. I'm bigger then most people, i'm not ugly (from what i can see) and i don't have any thing that really sticks out that i should be worried about. So anyways, i went into the doc about a week ago and they did some tests and shit like written ones, you know all those dumb surveys. They did some other physical stuff too. He also had my girlfriend write down what she saw from me when we were out and stuff. So i get a call today and he says he's almost positive that i have Social Anxiety Disorder. He gave me a bunch of stuff to read up on it and it all sounds like me. He is also knows about my roid use and does all the check ups for me. He told me that this pretty much means that i can't use steroids ever again because not only would it interfere with my medication but it would also make the condition worse. Are there any other bro's out there that are still saucin' while couping with this disorder??? Is there any hope at all??? cheers
 
Sorry to hear that TxRugby, but take it with a grain of salt. The mind is a very powerfull thing and much of our depression and anxiety is not what I would call a condition of being. Its more a matter of how we see things, our perspective and the way we think. You can learn to change your perceptions and the way you think, just like you can build your body, and in time, you can develope new ways of thought and perception and basically retrain your mind and get rid of anxiety.
 
Zyglamail said:
Sorry to hear that TxRugby, but take it with a grain of salt. The mind is a very powerfull thing and much of our depression and anxiety is not what I would call a condition of being. Its more a matter of how we see things, our perspective and the way we think. You can learn to change your perceptions and the way you think, just like you can build your body, and in time, you can develope new ways of thought and perception and basically retrain your mind and get rid of anxiety.
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That's very good advice Zyg....and very true.
 
Zyglamail is correct. Anxiety is very much mental. Bruce Willis claims he conquered his stutter by stop worrying about it. Its not easy enough to say "stop thinking about it" i know but just have cofidence bro. When your in a large group of people don't stress yourself out by thinking "I have a social anxiety problem". You'll be fine. Stay strong!
 
Well happy birthday bro , and sorry to hear that shit , and personaly that is all I think that your doc is talking !!!!

Bro look any body can be diganosed with anything that they want you have , all that shit has so many differant areas and they say everybody copes with it differant , the next thig he'll say is maybe you need some Xanex , then it goes to something else then instead of being an "anti-socialite" you'l be a manic depressive , then you get Zoloft and befor you know it your a giggling idiot.

Bro it sounds to me like maybe your just having anxity attacks , or stress ,stop and think did you ever have this problem before at all , like in any sort of crowd or group function. I know I hate being in a crowd but that is cause I don't like people I'm a dick , the mall at christmas time fuuuckkk I want to start slapping people. Just start hanging around alot of people that you know so they don't make you feel uncomfortable
And if juicing makes you feel good then don't stop , self confidence is the greatest tool that you possess.

You need to just come to the French Quarter for HollowWeen , you'll either be cured or have a nervous breakdown
 
Tx Rugby,
Just to let you know, I have a social anxiety disorder. I was diagnosed about five years ago. Four the last five years I have been taking Paxil 20mg. Since I found out I have successfully completed atleast five cycles with no side effects. My anxiety really is non existent since taking the medication. I have had no difficulty with taking juice. You may not have the same luck, but just wanted to let you know that it is possible to take juice while you have an Anxiety dissorder.

Good Luck,
danimal
 
I've always had these attacks, but it's as of late they've getting really bad. i could never stand being in a large group or the center of attention.
 
Tx.

I think you just need to post a pic so we can tell you if you're ugly...


All joking aside, don't sweat it, Zyg is spot on! You can change your perceptions. It's not a condition, it's the way you see things! Just remind youself "I am the king of this hill.. No need for panic!" :)

You will be just fine! And happy Birthday!
 
dude, i have the same problem. i never used to be like this but it developed around 2 years ago after i was assaulted really badly in a nightclub, my confidence really dropped. now i hate being in front of a large group, i start sweating, shaking, and blush. it sucks. i havent seen my doc about it but it sounds to me like i have the same problem.
 
it amazes me how many doctors blame everything on roids when most of them have very little if any knowledge about them
 
I'm don't think I agree with carrera but everyone else seem good to go. I have onsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) and am bi-polar. I tried lots of meds, lithium, zoloft, paxil, uh, can't remember anything else at the moment but there was another one or two I believe. Anyway, they didn't help, just made me worse. Zoloft made me very suicidal, I thought I could kill bears with my bare hands, tried to attack my mom, cut myself up pretty badly, etc. Sucked ass. Stopped the zoloft and went back to my usual, more laid back psycho self. hehehe. Anyway, so for me it seems that behavioral modification therapy helped the most. Basically, that's using your mind to help yourself. What works for me is to kind of "rationalize" my way out of an irrational situaiton (i.e. obsession, fear, or thought). It isn't exactly a rational solution that I ever come up with, in fact it makes very little sense except to me. Anyway, it works pretty well. I still often don't feel like socializing much and have trouble in groups of poeple I don't know but I can force myself to do it. I have no trouble around people I'm comfortabel with and have known for a while though. Makes it tough to meet new people sometimes and get damn well laid. Being bi-polar is really odd though cause lately I've been reclusive but sometimes I get a surge of energy and start acting out and saying amusing things and as soon as I get some encouragement from others then there's really no shutting me up. Anyway, e-mail me if I can help in any way. Oh, as for the juice, I'd be careful but I'm not convinced you absolutely have to stop. That's up to you, not your doc, but I would seriously keep a very close eye on everything.
 
He didn't blame it on roids, he just said it would be wise if i never used them again. He used to use himself but stopped when he stopped bodybuilding. He's a great doctor to have cuz of his knowledge on the stuff and he's acutally become a good friend of mine, that's why i hardly ever doubt his opinions.
 
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Sofa King Big said:
I think you just need to post a pic so we can tell you if you're ugly...


All joking aside, don't sweat it, Zyg is spot on! You can change your perceptions. It's not a condition, it's the way you see things! Just remind youself "I am the king of this hill.. No need for panic!" :)

You will be just fine! And happy Birthday!
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Sorry dude, but it doesn't quite work like that. It's a chemical imbalance and while you can help yourself with your mentality, you won't ever be 100% normal. You just won't but there's nothing wrong with that IMO.
 
TxRugby_8 said:
He didn't blame it on roids, he just said it would be wise if i never used them again. He used to use himself but stopped when he stopped bodybuilding. He's a great doctor to have cuz of his knowledge on the stuff and he's acutally become a good friend of mine, that's why i hardly ever doubt his opinions.
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well they (roids) no doubt have many affects on the old brain thats for sure....take it from me, i have been using the shit for over 20 years now
 
For the last 6 years I have been so shy nervous even around small groups of people I dont know. By the time I even begin to get comfortable people already percieve me as being a snob or an asshole. I cant help it, I cant talk to them not cause i dont want to but I cant. Would you recommend I get this looked at? never really thought of it as a condition. What does that medication do to help anyways?
 
Zyglamail said:
Sorry to hear that TxRugby, but take it with a grain of salt. The mind is a very powerfull thing and much of our depression and anxiety is not what I would call a condition of being. Its more a matter of how we see things, our perspective and the way we think. You can learn to change your perceptions and the way you think, just like you can build your body, and in time, you can develope new ways of thought and perception and basically retrain your mind and get rid of anxiety.
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I agree with Zyg 100%! Doctors are so quick to diagnose someone with some crazy disorder now-a-days! You know why? Because doctors have a dozen pharmaceudical reps pounding their drugs into their heads everyday. They will no doubt want to put you on some medication which you will have to be on "for life." The pharmaceudical companies do make some lovely drugs for us gear heads but, they are also churning out these damn drugs like prozac and paxil that they have spent millions on and need their money back.
It all comes down to you bro. Are you really afraid of people that much? It sounds to me like you just need a jump start of confidence and you will be fine.
Funny thing is, when I was in highschool I got jumped by these five guys. I walked away without a scratch, thanks to my buddies. Still my confidence took a huge beat down. I was not the same cocky bastard that I used to be for a long time. Eventually I got over it though. Believe or not a lot of what you are feeling probably comes from damaged pride.
My advice, get over it. Everybody has something bad that happens to them at some point in their life. It is the winners that get up, brush off their shirt and get back to business as usual. It is up to...

Your choice, gear or paxil?
 
Before you listen to all of these do-it-yourselfers, just answer one question.

Would you rather spend your time trying to conquer your disorder, or would you rather spend it experiencing life?

Maybe it is possible to quash your disorder without medication, but medicine is a possible solution, so don't decry it offhand.

We are willing to take steroids to make our bodies function better than they are supposed to, why not take medicines which allow your mind the same privilege??
 
Puc said:
Before you listen to all of these do-it-yourselfers, just answer one question.

Would you rather spend your time trying to conquer your disorder, or would you rather spend it experiencing life?

Maybe it is possible to quash your disorder without medication, but medicine is a possible solution, so don't decry it offhand.

We are willing to take steroids to make our bodies function better than they are supposed to, why not take medicines which allow your mind the same privilege??
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True enough, but I 'wasted' a couple years hurting myself and other people trying to solve my problems with medication, and got nowhere. I helped myself far more efficiently with a couple months of behavioral modification.
 
Nathan good to see you freind as it has been a long time.
TxRugby_8 i am sorry to hear your story but i would take courage from Nathans reply and think he speaks good advise.

I hope things work out as it is hard for me to imagine what you must be going through. Nathan can and has come through the otherside so can you.

Good Luck
 
Thanks dude. Good to see you too. How's it going?
Yeah, I have come through the 'other side', not unscathed believe me. Man, I did some seriously fucked up shit. I'm still a little out there though.....tee hee.:p
 
I am no doctor but I believe the med they give for SADisorder is paxil. I do not believe anabolic steroids effect the effectiveness of paxil or any other anti-depressant. If I was you I would stay off AS until the paxil was working and then go back on with a low dose. If your disorder starts getting worse then maybe the AS has something to do with it. But I seriously dout if AS will effect it one way or the other. You may even get worse if you lose a whole lot of weight and start feeling shitty about yourself.
 
There are many different approaches to Psychology. One doctor may be of one school and another a different. A behaviorist would say that you can change the way Zyg suggests whereas a clinical psychologist might say you need treatment as long as your insurance lasts.

It is interesting the amount of time certain conditions took to treat when insurance was wide open, and how quickly treatment was when the Insurance industry capped the amount of $ avaliable for treatment.

What kind of doctor are you seeing? What school is he/she from?

Do some research regarding the various schools, and I would suggest looking into behavioral models.

We react to events based upon how we interpet them in lieu of our belief system. If we have a false belief system, then we may interpret some event which is not hostile, as hostile to us.
 
don't put your head down yet. win4life was on the right track. i am a grad student in psych and all i can say is you cannot rely solely on what your physician tells you. first of all, he is a medical doctor who is specialiced in biological science. many times physicians will jump to the conclusion that every disorder can be treated with medicine. this is only true if it stems from a biological abnormality when often times these things are of psychological origin. your best bet would be to see a GOOD psychologist before you start taking any medication and let im or her try to determine what the cause is. there could be many reasons for this: it could be cognitive, behavioral, psychoanalytic, or it may very well be biological. one thing to look at though is if anyone in your family (mom, dad, grandparents, etc.) has ever had this. this would be the only thing that would make me look directly to a biological cause. many times therapy is the best medicine. ALL possibilities must be examined first before any real treatment should be administered. another thing, find a close friend, let them know your problem, and whenever you know you will be in a crowd have them with you. if anything should start to bother you start talking with your friend and concentrate solely on him or her. but really, before you start to concern yourself with meds, talk to a psychologist. it's nothing to be embarrased of. i love to do it, you really get to know who you are. also, if you need to e-mail me at [email protected]
i cannot give you advice but i will lead you in the right direction.
 
Get your head out of your ass and go talk to some strangers - spend a fuckin day riding an elevator in an office building and talk to every person that gets in it. You'll be cured in three weekends.

J/K - hope they don;t give you Prozac
 
i have had an anxiety disorder for 7 years now and have learned to deal with it. everyone that faces this disorder needs to find there own ways to deal with it. i feel it has gotten better for me. when i first relized i had this problem it didnt matter how many people i was around i could be just 1 but the more i thought about it the worse it got. i could be just talking to 1 or more people or not talking at all and once i would start thinking about it i would get myself so worked up that i thought if i didnt get out of the situation something bad was going to happen and sometimes it did. like one time i paniced so bad i litteraly passed out and landed flat on my face, i was just talking to my cousin at the time and he was the only one around, now thats a panic attack. i used zoloft for a while but soon realized i didnt need it. i now know my anxiety dissorder stems from stress and depression, so those are the two things i work on instead of trying to fight the anxiety. when you try to fight anxiety in most cases it only gets worse. so focus on ridding yourself of stress and deppresion. i do have to admit some days are better than others,it has been 7 long years. thats my story, hope i helped in some way. if you need someone to talk to email me.
 
sorry to hear that bro, but be positive ,we all have some sort of anxiaty ,, i had it for 2 years u gotta deal with it , some people work out others smoke pot some drink somr cry ,, sleep others get freakd out,, u are ur own medicine and noone is gona fix that and drugs or goin to a shrink anint gona help much ,, just ask ur self what are u afraid of,,and say fuk it and u will over come that i still get anxiaty but now i deal wiht it if i feel bad or what ever i just say fuk it im stress im taking a nap and try not to think about it we all have some sort of anxyaty and some dont even know we have it ,, be strong and u can cure urself and i know u be able to gear up again ,,god bless and be possitive,,
 
i personaly think everything in the mind can be solved in the mind and drugs just cloud it. but u gota be strong bro, i used to be like u, what u said exactly described me and somtimes i still act that way. like i hate being around tons and tons of people, in the clubs or parties i get nervous and stuff. i honeslty think it stems from low self-esteem. i dont know what changed me but its all cool now. i must of smoked tons of drugs and shit, i think the best way to cure ur fear is to be exposed to it as much as possible, it wont kill or hurt u so its nothing that bad. just go on purpose to hang out with a ton of people and stuff. and if u dont think its a problem dont let a docter tell u it is. remeber its a busness for them too, no matter how sensear they sound on the fone or in person. if ur happy with ur life and dont think theres anythign wrong with ur behaviour dont let some d00d with a PHD tell u how u SHOULD act. every1 is diffrent guy, good luck and god bless!
 
i have social anxiety disorder and its very treatable with meds im in college and have a girlfriend the meds you will be prescribed are anti-depressents either paxil,celexa wellbutrin ive been taking these meds with roids for over a year now and my health is pretty damn good , mental health to . I think your doctor wants to see you with puny arms like him dom ,
 
Here's my take:
Right now I take a MED called effexor which commonly used for disorders like the one you are dealing with. I myself have a anger dissorder so that is why I use it. I do not think AS has any affect on the MEd's that the DR. will perscribe if you deside to go that route. My advise is that you try counceling before taking any MED's . It has been my experience that the withdrawel symptoms associated with taking Meds such as Paxil are unbelivable. I took Paxil before and they tried to get my off of the stuff. The withdrawls where so bad that i had a hard time functioning at my job or just life in general. I actually went after My Dr. and started bitching at him asking him how he could do this to me. So after almost going insane from the sides they put me on Effexor just so I could get off Paxil. Well i found out later that the withdrawels off Effexor are just as bad.
Bottom line: try anyother means before taking MED's, but if you have to "and they do work" then make sure you know everything about the possable sides.
 
U say u start to panic when u are around people but u dont understand why this happens, I definitely dont think that's true, u say u are not ugly but that's not the case, a panic attack or a cycle of depression can be triggered by many things, it doesnt have to be physicall imperfections , maybe u dont like the way people perceive you in certain situations, maybe u dont like the way people perceive u at all, that's why it bothers you to be around people and specially people who u dont know, I would think this is something u've been carrying for some time, and it got to this stage probably triggered by the use of steroids or any other drugs. Have u been using any kind of drugs? Sometimes drugs will magnify any disorders in the personality(most of the times) as they make u realize and think about things u never did before. I think the most important thing before taking any medication is understanding what makes u feel bad when u are around people, most of the time people know the cause but they dont wanna aknowledge it because it makes them feel bad about themselves, thats a big mistake if u really want to get to know yourself. Medications will make u feel good but it will be like steroids, as long as u are on them u'll be ok, when u leave em u will have to confront the problem by yourself.

Good luck bro... After all, who wants to be a perfect ordinary son of a bitch? ..be ill , and be proud.
 
Sorry to hear that bro, I was recently diagnosed with having panic attacks, and have been taking paxil 20mg for abou 5 months. I feel much better now on the meds, but it comes back quickly if I miss some days on the meds. I thought I was having a heart attack the first time it happened. I was curious if the gear would mess with my meds too, so you are not alone bro, good luck.:)
 
Wow, thanks for all the support guys. I've decided to go for a second a opinion on this one and see what another doc has to say. Not that i think my bud is wrong, just want to see what others say. I tried to overcome my anxiety/panic attacks at a party i went to tonite. Let me say it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I was actually enjoying myself until somebody shouted out that it was birthday, and the BAM! I felt as if everybody was staring directly at me and everyone just stopped what they were doing. I nearly puked. My girlfriend knew that couldn't be good and she took me outside. i was literally shaking outside. That's kind of what i mean by it getting worse.
As far as my cycle goes (i was due to start OCT. 1), i'm going to start it with the intent on finishing it and see what happens.
Thanks again for all the support guys. You have been true iron bros.
cheers
 
You have to decide if it's worth it or not. Just to let you know, Paxil has been shown to significantly decrease sex drive so I think a bit of test would just be preventative medicine ;)
 
just a note...

i have had no side effects from effexor xr 150mg... ZERO...

it has done nothing but change my life for the better. It stripped away a horrific eating disorder (night eating syndrome), allowed me to sleep again, and transformed me from a near agoraphobic into a social butterfly.

BUT my disorder was chemical, and exacerbated by ephedrine (because of the ep/norep effects). I am never coming off of it, so I have no worries about withdrawal.

This was the first medicine I tried, and it was my panacea, literally. It was perfect FOR ME...

peace....

Puc
 
That's right...

Zyglamail said:
Sorry to hear that TxRugby, but take it with a grain of salt. The mind is a very powerfull thing and much of our depression and anxiety is not what I would call a condition of being. Its more a matter of how we see things, our perspective and the way we think. You can learn to change your perceptions and the way you think, just like you can build your body, and in time, you can develope new ways of thought and perception and basically retrain your mind and get rid of anxiety.
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I committed similarily regarding the Bixorexia post...I think most of the labels given in recent times are just that, labels. Everything needs to be neat and tidy, understood, diagnosed and treated. HOGWASH. People are different, SOCIETY, deal with it.

Anyway, think about it, deal with it, 2nd opinion it, 3rd opinion it...meds are rarely the answer in my opinion for these illusive and subjective diagnosis. If an actual chemical imbalance exists that another thing, yet drugs may still not be the answer. Research this problem and read everything with an open mind and question all of it.

Good Luck either way.

Oh...how did you play rugby if you truly had the disorder? I mean you have to play with 15 tight knit guys against another 15 guys...

Rugger
 
Rugger,
I can't really explain how i can play team sports and not get all messed up. I capatined both my High School Football team for 2 years and my rugby team for 3, but i never said a word. Pregame or postgame, i wouldn't open my mouth. I guess i was made captain as a silent leader and let my actions do the talking. I guess i just blocked everything out when i'm on the field. i don't see the crowd or anything. it's weird, but it's like my home on the pitch.
cheers
 
I myself have social anxiety disorder to. But I do have one question, it is hard for me to go out in public a lot of the time. But if you all are afraid of groups of people, how the hell do you work out at a gym where there is nothing but people. Most of the time I work out at home or go late at night when noone else is there.
 
SAD a myth?

This SAD thing seems to have been invented recently by pharmaceutical companies to sell more drugs. "Social Anxiety Disorder" is what used to be called, in more sensible times, SHYNESS.

I was very shy as a teenager and I had to train myself out of it. You know how to train your muscles to make them stronger. The mind should be trained the same way.

Go to places full of strangers, talk to strangers, sing in a karaoke bar, commit to being more outgoing every day. Shyness is based on an irrational fear of making a fool of yourself and other people thinking badly of us.

The more time you spend talking to strangers and getting to know them, the more you'll learn to conquer this fear. It's all in your head. Strangers aren't just hanging around waiting to think badly of you.

Commit to "training" your shyness the way you'd train a lagging bodypart, and you'll succeed without using whatever drugs the TV commercials are pushing these days.
 
Listen to Nathan and Zyg. They both are giving you the two main factors invlolved in "psychological disorders". The problem lies somewhere in the hazy gradient between your state of mind and a chemical imbalance. I used to be like you, always finding myself getting exponentailly nervous as the number of people increased. I have learned to grow out of that, for the most part. I still get random rushes of nervousness sometimes, but I can easily control it now. I take vitamins daily: A,B-50,C,D,E, Bivoflavenoids, pantothenic acide, folic acid,calcium, and cholean and inositol. But I think the one of the main fators in helping me was Ginko Biloba. It's amazing how much ginko biloba helped me out. I just take the daily recommended dose, and within a few hours, my mind suddenly becomes clear. My attitude is always positive and I never got nervous while taking ginko. After a while though, my body built a tolerance, so when I took Ginko, I got the opposite effects for some reason. So I just stopped taking it, and now I find myself much better off than before I took it. It's like Ginko Biloba showed me how I COULD be and after I stopped, my mind just adjusted to it. I've tried all the herbs out there and Ginko was the only one that did anything for me. You might want to try it sometime. I found the best manufacturer of Ginko is "Sundown Vitamins". For some reason, they're ginko had the best results.

Sometimes herbs are better than manufactured medicine, and I think this is a great example. As the bible says, God made the plants and the trees "and he saw that it was good".
 
Listen to Nathan and Zyg. They both are giving you the two main factors invlolved in "psychological disorders". The problem lies somewhere in the hazy gradient between your state of mind and a chemical imbalance. You can't change your state of mind mentally if your state of my is a result from your physical body.

I used to be like you, always finding myself getting exponentailly nervous as the number of people increased. I have learned to grow out of that, for the most part. I still get random rushes of nervousness sometimes, but I can easily control it now. I take vitamins daily: A,B-50,C,D,E, Bivoflavenoids, pantothenic acide, folic acid,calcium, and cholean and inositol. But I think the one of the main fators in helping me was Ginko Biloba. It's amazing how much ginko biloba helped me out. I just take the daily recommended dose, and within a few hours, my mind suddenly becomes clear. My attitude is always positive and I never got nervous while taking ginko. After a while though, my body built a tolerance, so when I took Ginko, I got the opposite effects for some reason. So I just stopped taking it, and now I find myself much better off than before I took it. It's like Ginko Biloba showed me how I COULD be and after I stopped, my mind just adjusted to it. I've tried all the herbs out there and Ginko was the only one that did anything for me. You might want to try it sometime. I found the best manufacturer of Ginko is "Sundown Vitamins". For some reason, they're ginko had the best results.

Sometimes herbs are better than manufactured medicine, and I think this is a great example. As the bible says, God made the plants and the trees "and he saw that it was good".

Herbal remedy is only part of the solution though. You need a good, nurturing environment. A caring girlfriend is nice to have, good friends that don't trash you all the time, doing things that please your soul. All of these things will help out greatly, and can do much more than any herb or drug can. Just my $1.02,
 
M.O.D said:
it amazes me how many doctors blame everything on roids when most of them have very little if any knowledge about them
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Hey, I agree. You think the doc could explain why? Think he even knows about post cycle depression?

Doubt it. He just said, "steroids are bad, mmmmkay?" in a more subtle manner. ;)
 
well, you've certainly got the whole spectrum of responses here ranging from the ignorantly misinformed to intelligent and insightful.

None of the medications used to treat social anxiety will hinder AAS use. They ARE effective, but often take 8-12 weeks at the correct dose to take full effect, so if you take something, hang in there with it and be patient. Also, medication + psychotherapy is the most effective treatment for the disorder, and you should look for a good cognitive-behavioral therapist.
 
hey man, a few things to consider...
I thing is, you do have a girlfriend. Many people with SAD will not be able to have an interpersonal relationshiop. That makes me believe you MIGHT be mild in symptoms. Also, almost anyone can have episodes of social anxiety disorder. The questions then are as follows: ARE your symptoms chronic(occuring over time) and impairing your daily living? A few cases of being nervous is normal and not to worry. You might just be "self-fullfilling" what the doctor said. Also, many people with SAD have extremely NEGATIVE views of Self. I dont see that in what you describe as you seem to say that you are an alright guy in physical appearance. Just my two cents.
 
yeah, my girlfriend took abnormal phsychology, along with 5 other phyc's. she's got a damn certificate in phsyc and she's an architecture major! She can practically read minds, lol.
 
TxRugby_8 said:
Wow, thanks for all the support guys. I've decided to go for a second a opinion on this one and see what another doc has to say. Not that i think my bud is wrong, just want to see what others say. I tried to overcome my anxiety/panic attacks at a party i went to tonite. Let me say it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I was actually enjoying myself until somebody shouted out that it was birthday, and the BAM! I felt as if everybody was staring directly at me and everyone just stopped what they were doing. I nearly puked. My girlfriend knew that couldn't be good and she took me outside. i was literally shaking outside. That's kind of what i mean by it getting worse.
As far as my cycle goes (i was due to start OCT. 1), i'm going to start it with the intent on finishing it and see what happens.
Thanks again for all the support guys. You have been true iron bros.
cheers
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TxR, alot of what u explained used to happen to me. I can say that after years of fighting with it I finally have supressed it but not totally. It's not nearly as bad as it used to be but at times I still have those moments when I have my head down at a party and I think everyone is starring at me and talking about me and I get nervous and short of breath. That's when the panic starts to set in, but I'll just go outside and get some fresh air and "talk to myself", explaining that it's all in my head and to cut this bullshit out. Everthing usually gets better from that point.

The point is u don't need any drugs to help u get over this, just think of it as training an area of your mind to get stronger---like a lagging body part, it's just gotta catch up.
 
Zyglamail said:
Sorry to hear that TxRugby, but take it with a grain of salt. The mind is a very powerfull thing and much of our depression and anxiety is not what I would call a condition of being. Its more a matter of how we see things, our perspective and the way we think. You can learn to change your perceptions and the way you think, just like you can build your body, and in time, you can develope new ways of thought and perception and basically retrain your mind and get rid of anxiety.
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I totally agree with this. I have been diagnosed w/ depression and social anxiety several times. Got meds, but didnt really take them. You have to learn how to cope with things, and like zyg said retrain your mind into new ways of thinking.

Know yourself and your mind...you can work wonders.

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I started to get really severe panic anxiety about 5 years ago on a cycle of test.It progressed to agoraphobia.Eventually I started to take Effexor and the condition cleared up almost completely.I have since cycled steroids,mainly d-bol and winstrol and I find they actually stabilise me further mentally.Increase dosages slowly if you're gonna cycle to assess tolerance.
I've come off the Effexor a couple of times and the withdrawal effects are mainly dizziness for a couple of weeks and a huge increase in appetite.I've felt the need to start it again those times but plan to try to stop it permanently soon.

The KEY to master anxiety attacks is to face it,to say:"here it comes but it will soon pass"Eventually you get less and less anxiety.

It is hard but be tough.There is always light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Here is my two cents: I have a theoretical cure for you. Keep in mind that this is only THEORY and what I would do IF I WERE YOU.
1. Try ur new medication for ur condition. See how u react to it. Then get back onto the juice. If you really feel that it gets in the way, then try changing what u use. If it still interferes, then drop the juice, at least until u feel significantly better, if possible.
2. How about trying some juice that makes u more aggressive to help ur condition. Let me see, i believe fina, dbol, and halotestin might help. maybe u can change that nervousness into agressiveness, and next time u r in a big group, try to be aggressive and compete for attention. keep a positive attitude and remember that ur the biggest one there (even if ur not).
3. if u dont have a good girlfirend / wife, get one. Get someone who loves u and makes u feel good about yourself. Find someone who will get ur confidence up, and that u feel very comfortable about. go to large groups with her, and hold her hand if it helps. focus on her if u get worried.

4. good luck!
 
How about trying some juice that makes u more aggressive to help ur condition. Let me see, i believe fina, dbol, and halotestin might help. maybe u can change that nervousness into agressiveness, and next time u r in a big group, try to be aggressive and compete for attention. keep a positive attitude and remember that ur the biggest one there (even if ur not).
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Though this may cure one thing, it will breed a new problem. Don't feed agression. It is the vexation of the spirit.
 
you ARE the man! dude if u captained your football team and ur rugby team u just have to be the shit, just have to be. i bet a lot of people speak pretty highly of you.
i myself am very shy and dont like big crowds of strangers but i dont get nervous. only when my college profs. randomly call on me in the middle of class. OMG i swear my blood pressure triples. i guess thats kinda like what these sort of disorders are like.

hey man, only the strong survive, and it sounds like ur a fighter
 
horsePOWER said:
you ARE the man! dude if u captained your football team and ur rugby team u just have to be the shit, just have to be. i bet a lot of people speak pretty highly of you.
i myself am very shy and dont like big crowds of strangers but i dont get nervous. only when my college profs. randomly call on me in the middle of class. OMG i swear my blood pressure triples. i guess thats kinda like what these sort of disorders are like.

hey man, only the strong survive, and it sounds like ur a fighter
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No,no a real anxiety attack is so bad it cannot be described.It has to be experienced.You feel like you could kill yourself to get relief.
 
Have you ever heard of the amino acid called GABA?

Get some and try it out. It is an amino acid that often is discounted as unimportant. It works for those who's body chemistry has a deficiency of it.
Dosage, 500mg two to three times per day, before the meal.
 
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