HELLO?! your on STEROIDS REMEMBER?

[Madcow2]

To an extent it's important to keep things in context. Is a person merely providing good information or are they pretentind to be some huge built guy. Good information is good regardless of the source. Take a look at golf, the big money winners have guru teaching pros that generally have very limited competitive success. The best coach is not necessarily the best athlete or even a reasonably good one, where he excels is in taking athletes and getting them to perform at their absolute best.

In BBing where there is no performance criteria drugs can compensate in a huge way simply because it's all hypertrophy based. A natural lifter can know 10x more than a guy running around on 3 grams yet to many people they would think the results speak for themselves yet they really don't. I'm a lot more impressed by the people who gain 10lbs off a modest dose of primo or another refined anabolic than I am with the kid that gets 25lbs from a gram of test a week and 150mg of anadrol daily. Shit, look at farmers and their cattle. I have yet to see them on any weight training program but between food and enough drugs they bulk up nicely. Drugs can simply compensate too much when it comes to hypertrophy.

Years ago, I worked right next to a guy who went on to earn his pro card 6 months later. The guy looked fabulous and admittedly had very good discipline with diet and kept himself in good condition. However, this guy knew shit about training. He was unfit to coach a high school team. He never squated, never pulled from the floor (the 2 most fundemental movements for adding mass to the frame), and hardly ever benched. His PT clients made zero progress where mine were doing great. He trained this one Dr. who had been training under him for years and knew a client of mine who had just started training 2-3 months ago and put on some solid muscle. The Dr. had always been bigger than my guy yet one night they were out and my trainee went to put on the Dr.'s jacket and it was too tight. The Dr. got so fed up he went out, got himself some juice and put on 20lbs using the same program and training methodology that had him stagnant before that. Now, most people would look at me at the time and look at this soon to be Pro BBer and think that guy knew it all. However, if you judged our PT client's progress it was night and day. If a knowledgable lifter watched each of us train for even 10 minutes, the truth would be self-evident to him.

What does all this mean - if a given person is providing information and the information is quality and helpful they may not be the biggest and most ripped guy around. Hell, I've had almost 2 years worth of injuries. I couldn't bench over 135 without searing pain for over 10 months. I'm 6'3" 250ish but I'm not in shape and my lifts are shit. I'm also at a point in my life where family and work are my priorities and I lift for personal enjoyment and enjoy seeing others succeed. The information I provide has little bearing on my current physical condition.

However, if a given person is just putting himself out there as a big muscular in shape guy - that's easily proven with pictures.

 

[Tux]

Good post madcow! I agree, good advice doesn't always come from the most obvious place. In general, yes, guys who know their shit will have bodies to back it up, but not always. Just b/c Div doesn't post his pics doesn't mean he doesn't have the knowledge. Now if he were bragging all the time about his size, his lifts, etc, or telling people to do things "his" way b/c it obviously worked, then I'd say post up or shut up. But as of yet, I haven't seen much in the way of boasting. Div does like to talk smack a lot, and he's controversial, but hasn't really given much "bad" advice that I've seen. No reason to crucify him yet

 

[Tweakle]

As I understood it roids enhance volume tollerence to a degree, but recovery ability is mostly genetically predetermined.

its moot tho, if your leg workout is extensions and hacks with light weights you can get away with it. If it's 600lb+ deads and squats then it's unlikely you'll be doing that twice a week and getting away with it. But who knows.

 

[SilentStrength]

hey bro how ya been?
this bro is a long time vet and a solid bro!

Whats up bro, been good. New job but loving it. Thanks for the respect, same goes for you.

 

[OMEGA]

anyhow, this is my split:

DAY 1:
am workout: back
pm workout: triceps

DAY 2:
am workout: shoulders
pm workout: hammies, calves

DAY 3:
am workout: chest
pm workout: biceps

DAY 4:
am workout: quads, abs

ill take a day off somewhere in the middle.
theres no set plan for days off.. i really go with how my body feels that day.

MY SPLIT

DAY 1

Chest, Triceps, Deltoids

DAY 2

AM run 30 minutes first thing in the morning

PM Back and Bis

DAY3

AM run 30 minutes first thing in the morning

PM Legs Calves Abs

DAY4

OFF be lazy, chicks beer,

 

[envies]

This is an awesome thread....I have been doing each bodypart once a week and not getting very good results. I was just thinking of switching to a different routine and came upon this thread, perfect timing. Thanks for the very informative posts madcow2.

 

[OMEGA]

MY SPLIT

DAY 1

Chest, Triceps, Deltoids

DAY 2

AM run 30 minutes first thing in the morning

PM Back and Bis

DAY3

AM run 30 minutes first thing in the morning

PM Legs Calves Abs

DAY4

OFF be lazy, chicks beer,

I should note this has evolved over time

I had a pec tear not long ago, then graduated once a week training

then graduated to the above split

now I have no choice but to so a split like the one above

do to an increase in my recuperation abilites

 

[maldorf]

True NS. The only time I made gains doing 2x a week was when I first started. Also I was plifting not bbing then. I had a heavy day and a light or speedwork day. Got some decent strength for my size then( raw bench 225 @ 118lbs), but sure as hell couldn't put on any weight. If I tried 2x a week on anything but calves/abs/forearms these days I'd be shot in a week or less. Like you, I can maybe train bi's or side delts 2x a week, prioritizing one smaller group, but everything 2x a week? Not even on a gram of test lol. Sometimes I do wish I could train everything more often simply b/c I love training, but to see gains, I have to hit it only 1x a week.

I have found the same thing to be true of me. When I first started I could get away with training bodyparts 2x per week because I wasnt able to throw around the kind of weight I do now, and so the intensity was not nearly as high. Intensity is directly proportional to the load you put on the muscle. Every set I do is to failure and somewhere between 3 and 12 reps, average around 7 or 8. Lifting like this has given me a 600 lb squat at bodyweight of 245, which isnt too bad. I do a powerlifting routine about 2x per year and it lasts 9 weeks, and starts out using 5 sets with all the same reps. I took it from Fred Hatfield, and it has helped put on some serious strength. Fred's workout has you doing the squat and bench 2x per week and the deadlift once. He says he took it from the russians back in the 80s.

 

[lefler]

day 1:
chest and tri
abs

day 2:
explosive exercises (for the legs...power cleans, hang cleans, squat jumps ect.
calf

day 3:
back and bi
abs

day 4:
shoulders and neck
calf

day 5:
legs
abs

day 6
rest

day 7:
start over

ive tried the 2x a week thing before but personally, i notice the best results this way. I guess I get the chest and tri in 2x a week and the following week I’ll get the explosive exercises in...... then back and bi ect. ect. i basiocly train on a 6 day week. it gives me the perfect amount of rest and i usually feel ready to give a 110%.

 

[Slyder190]

I've been mixing up styles a lot this time around with bulking. I will hitting each bodypart 2x a week, with a low volume, like 3-4 sets total per bodypart. I just finished a few weeks of lighter training to avoid over-kill. I only got 5-6 weeks left to bulk. I'll see how it goes. If I remember. I'll post up my results and whether or not i think it was a good idea, for me at least anyway. some guys do each body part 1x a week with mad volume. So of course if one were to train a bp 2x a week, then volume would have to be lowered.