Health hazards of high protein

[cgi2]

I've been a non-serious bodybuilder spending an hour at the gym 4 days a week for 10 years but dont have much to show for it. I recently read about the importance of nutrition. I want to try the high protein diets but am concerned about possible damage to my kidneys. Is there any authoratative source of information on the matter on the web? I just see lots of sites by magazine peddlers, individuals giving personal experiences, but no sign of controlled tests with rigorous scientific methodology.

There's such a plethora of supplements. Can someone help me distill out the essentials from the crowd? Besides health concerns, i'd also like to know what's effective and what's not.

I'm 29yrs old, 170lbs, mostly muscle.
-carl

 

[Nimrod25]

Bro, everything is hazardous to ur health nowadays, just keep your water intake high and u will be fine.

 

[Willyumyum]

protein isn't overly hazerdous to your kidneys unless you are eating like 3-4 times your weight in grams of protein per day... if you eat 340g of protein at 170 pounds a day, you are fine... general guidlines for protein intake are 1.5 - 2.0 x your bodyweight in grams of protein per day... The only thing that I've been having problems with is stank-ass-syndrome... man my farts reak somethin' awful..

 

[MaxBiceps]

High protein can be bad if your getting on in your years. It's related to
prostate and colon problems, etc. Makes sure to take fiber supplements
when on a high protein diet, cause that stuff can really block you up.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

I've been a non-serious bodybuilder spending an hour at the gym 4 days a week for 10 years but dont have much to show for it. I recently read about the importance of nutrition. I want to try the high protein diets but am concerned about possible damage to my kidneys. Is there any authoratative source of information on the matter on the web? I just see lots of sites by magazine peddlers, individuals giving personal experiences, but no sign of controlled tests with rigorous scientific methodology.

There's such a plethora of supplements. Can someone help me distill out the essentials from the crowd? Besides health concerns, i'd also like to know what's effective and what's not.

I'm 29yrs old, 170lbs, mostly muscle.
-carl

you mean to tell me you have been lifting for 10 years and you are just now learning the importance of nutrition?

 

[FarBeyondDriven]

guess he's a little slow bounce.

 

[BigDogg]

dude if ur questioning whether u should eat right or not to progress, just give up now, it'll just be a chore for ya if thats the way u think. dont waste ur time

 

[Nathan]

I wouldn't be overly concerned about it. There are much more important things that should merit worrying over. A high water intake can also stress the kidneys a bit but it's not bad for you. Just be sure to increase your protein gradually. And there you have my opinion.

 

[cgi2]

dude if ur questioning whether u should eat right or not to progress, just give up now, it'll just be a chore for ya if thats the way u think. dont waste ur time

I dont follow your reasoning. What do you mean eat right? Eat right for what? Gain at any cost? I'm trying to educate myself on the risks involved before I undertake a radical lifestyle shift. I dont want muscle at ANY cost. i do have other things going on for me in life.

Surely it's better to know what I'm getting myself into now than when I have kidney failure.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I'd say 1G per pound of lean bodyweight to start with(or stay with if you get the results you're looking for) and then just bump it up as you feel comfortable. Blood tests for kidney fuction will also put your mind at ease and let you know exactly how YOUR body is reacting. Good luck- AD

 

[cgi2]

guess he's a little slow bounce.

On the contrary, in the past, bodybuilding was never my goal. The goal was to be healthy and to be able to think well - both of which I have been wildly successful at.

 

[chillin408]

High protein diets are only damaging to kidneys if you a pre existing condition, and I don't know at what degree of the condition when its not ok to eat high amounts of protein. Maybe some other diesases too, but I"M not totally sure on that.

 

[Bobber]

My motto is Nothing in moderation can hurt you, its only when you abuse something you fuck yourself up.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

cgi2...just a word of advice...its best to just ignore unconstructive posts and not get into back and forth arguments. Nothing will get "settled" and it diluted the quality of the board.

 

[BigDogg]

I dont get you... You come to an anabolic steroid message board, ask about high protein diet dangers, and then say u are not interested in building muscle, just living healthy.. what the hell kinda answer did u expect?

 

[acneman]

english is to good to be amaf
HMMMMMMM havent heard from handsomboymodelingschool in a while or bigwhitedude
just a thought

 

[flex2000]

yo if ur concerned about getting blocked up and shit i do when taking in like 400 grams get some flax seed oil it like taking a e-lax!

 

[JohnyJuice]

A major health concern related to high protien diets are the stinky dumps you will endure. I no longer have any hair on my ass or my balls do to the rotten stench.

 

[Perry]

Hi protein is only dangerous for pre existing conditions.
Just look at the number of overweight, out of condition people on Atkins and the rest, and you have your "studies".

Just go by : a) How you feel on it
and b) Get blood tests

PS: double your workouts
go to failure often
sleep well
and get some Test!

you may actually like the results, and yourself

 

[chillin408]

They were probably overweight before they started Atkins diet, thats what I can recollect from the people who are on it. Also, many people don't really go into ketosis anyway, so there doing it wrong. If they are overweight on Atkins diet, then most likely they are consuming too many calories. In that case, they would be overweight regardless of the diet.

Why would someone go on atkins diet(or any diet) if they weren't overweight. Not overweight in BB language, but overweight/obese type people who don't workout. If they are still overweight after the diet, then they failed, but before atkins diet I'm sure they tried calorie restrict and failed with a normal diet too, but why doesn't anyone bring that up?

 

[Perry]

chillin408 They were probably overweight before they started Atkins diet, thats what I can recollect from the people who are on it. Also, many people don't really go into ketosis anyway, so there doing it wrong. If they are overweight on Atkins diet, then most likely they are consuming too many calories. In that case, they would be overweight regardless of the diet.

I wasnt trying to recommend Atkins. Just trying to answer cgi2's question about studies of high protien diets. The point is hundreds of thousands of people use them without damaging their kidneys.

 

[GaryWary]

I've been a non-serious bodybuilder spending an hour at the gym 4 days a week for 10 years but dont have much to show for it. I recently read about the importance of nutrition. I want to try the high protein diets but am concerned about possible damage to my kidneys. Is there any authoratative source of information on the matter on the web? I just see lots of sites by magazine peddlers, individuals giving personal experiences, but no sign of controlled tests with rigorous scientific methodology.

There's such a plethora of supplements. Can someone help me distill out the essentials from the crowd? Besides health concerns, i'd also like to know what's effective and what's not.

I'm 29yrs old, 170lbs, mostly muscle.
-carl

If you are concerned about protein intake, and you use words like plethora, might I suggest you go to one of those sissy gyms with the cardio equipment and stay there?

Rigorous scientific studies? There is no such thing. There is only hypothesis. In science you are in a good position if different hypothesis tally…

In seriousness the reports that I read many years ago regarding protein intake did not have hypothesis that tallied (agreed). Although, there was at least one hypothesis regarding high protein intake and kidney problems.. Totally inconclusive.. I wouldn’t worry about it..

Body building might not be your game mate…..

 

[GaryWary]

I dont follow your reasoning. What do you mean eat right? Eat right for what? Gain at any cost? I'm trying to educate myself on the risks involved before I undertake a radical lifestyle shift. I dont want muscle at ANY cost. i do have other things going on for me in life.

Surely it's better to know what I'm getting myself into now than when I have kidney failure.

and no-one can give you that re-assurance.

But guess what? Body builders look fucking fit as fuck well into their 40's and 50's if they keep training... worth 5 years of you max life IF IT IS TRU that protein has a negative health consequence? I think so... And I don't think there is any risk... you are in the wrong game - thinking like that....

 

[The mann]

make sure you keep water intake high,but damn dude,i guess anything we love to do is bad for ya'......hahahahah

it ain't over till it's over

 

[Zyglamail]

If I am not mistaken, protien will effect your liver long before your kidneys. I take in about 200-250 grams a day and my blood work just showed slightly eleveated protien and thats it. For someone with liver trouble, high protien diets can be a problem, but if you liver is normal you have no worries.

 

[Beezers]

On the contrary, in the past, bodybuilding was never my goal. The goal was to be healthy and to be able to think well - both of which I have been wildly successful at.

This isn't the place to come for fitness related health advise. Read Men's health for that shit. The majority of those on this board are here for one sole reason. To be a big as humanly possible. This requires an extreme life style. High calories and high protein. Nutrition is by far the most critical aspect of building muscle...why most of us are here. You want health, not the bodybuilding lifstyle...then you're at the wrong place. You asked a bunch of juice heads the health risks of a (in our lives) mandatory high protein diet. It must be done to build muscle...end of story. There is nothing dangerous about it. It's far mor dangerous to continually consume a high GI high carb diet...like most Americans do. This leads to a little problem known as diebetes.(potenetially). If your a healthy human being then your body is more than capable of handling large amounts of protein. It's necessary for muscle hypertrophy.

 

[Zyglamail]

Well said Beezers. Also, high carbs leads to high insulin levels which over the long haul can through of ecosianid axis and cause all sorts of other problems such as coroted arteries, heart disease etc etc.

 

[cgi2]

Response to several posts

> BigDogg wrote:
> I dont get you... You come to an anabolic steroid
> message board, ask about high protein diet dangers, > and then say u are not interested in building muscle, > just living healthy.. what the hell kinda answer did u
> expect?


The website says that this is "a forum for anything related to bodybuilding". If you want to entertain yourself with other motives for the forum's existence, keep it to yourself. If you read carefully, you'll see that I was interested in health and am now looking to grow muscle. My question was to find out if the two objectives are contradictory.

> GaryWary wrote:
> If you are concerned about protein intake, and you
> use words like plethora, might I suggest you go to
> one of those sissy
> gyms with the cardio equipment and stay there?

You're an idiot.

> Rigorous scientific studies? There is no such thing.
> There is only hypothesis. In science you are in a good
> position if different hypothesis tally…

Data tallies, not hypothesis. And contrary to your beliefs, there are such things as rigorous scientific studies. These are used to get a high degree of confidence in theories. There's no such thing as absolute certainty in knowledge, however, because of the inductive nature of human knowledge. But, I'll settle for a high degree of certainty.

> Body building might not be your game mate…..
> Body builders look fucking fit as fuck well into their
> 40's and 50's

And then what. they keel over in their 50s? Like the gantzer brothers?

> Beezers wrote:

> This isn't the place to come for fitness related health
> advise. Read Men's health for that shit. The majority
> of those on this
> board are here for one sole reason. To be a big as
> humanly possible. This requires an extreme life style.
> High calories and
> high protein. Nutrition is by far the most critical
> aspect of building muscle...why most of us are here.
> You want health, not
> the bodybuilding lifstyle...then you're at the wrong
> place. You asked a bunch of juice heads the health
> risks of a (in our
> lives) mandatory high protein diet. It must be done to
> build muscle...end of story. There is nothing
> dangerous about it. It's
> far mor dangerous to continually consume a high GI
> high carb diet...like most Americans do. This leads to a
> little problem known as diebetes.(potenetially). If your
> a healthy human being then your body is more than
> capable of
> handling large amounts of protein. It's necessary for
> muscle hypertrophy.

My question was not *stating* that high protein is risky but *asking* if it was risky. If you dont have any idea how risky it is, why do you feel inclined to reveal your ignorance? Surely it is a question that anybody planning to go on a high protein diet should ask himself and then decide if it's worth that risk to him to go on it. Incidentally, I've decided upon reading further on the subject that the risks are minimal and I've gone on it. I want health and big muscles and (no thanks to the above stupid remarks) I've found that I *can* have both if I'm careful to follow certain rules.

regards
Carl

 

[liftsiron]

High protein and kidney damage is a myth like toad piss causing warts. If you have prexisting kidney damege that's a little different issue. Use your internet search and go into the Brinkzone for more info, and research topics.

 

[STORM SHADOW]

Some of the posts to you were pretty good....like the one from AnabolicDiabetic.
Another one brought up the Flax Seed Oil......these men are well read.......I can tell.
Yes......too much protein can be bad for you.....not just in the kidneys but the liver.....like Steroids.....the liver has to break down meat also which can lead to problems if over done. But the constructive advice I'm reading in the chat is.....Flax Seed Oil (you can get them in capsule form....straight will take your breath away), and drink lot's of water......there you go man.....those guys gave the best advice to counter the protien diet.....ooooooops don't forget the Calcium.....when you up protien......up Calcium....that's a basic staple. If your high protien is in the form of meat......which I perfer...I like to eat.......I take digestive emzymes with it.....why make your body do all the work when a cheap little tablet will digest most of the fat, carbs, protien for you. In fact you'll find in all longevity mags that Digestive Emzymes are the wave now. They just now figured that out? I've been doing that for years.

 

[GaryWary]

Re: Response to several posts

> BigDogg wrote:
> I dont get you... You come to an anabolic steroid
> message board, ask about high protein diet dangers, > and then say u are not interested in building muscle, > just living healthy.. what the hell kinda answer did u
> expect?


The website says that this is "a forum for anything related to bodybuilding". If you want to entertain yourself with other motives for the forum's existence, keep it to yourself. If you read carefully, you'll see that I was interested in health and am now looking to grow muscle. My question was to find out if the two objectives are contradictory.

> GaryWary wrote:
> If you are concerned about protein intake, and you
> use words like plethora, might I suggest you go to
> one of those sissy
> gyms with the cardio equipment and stay there?

You're an idiot.

> Rigorous scientific studies? There is no such thing.
> There is only hypothesis. In science you are in a good
> position if different hypothesis tally…

Data tallies, not hypothesis. And contrary to your beliefs, there are such things as rigorous scientific studies. These are used to get a high degree of confidence in theories. There's no such thing as absolute certainty in knowledge, however, because of the inductive nature of human knowledge. But, I'll settle for a high degree of certainty.

> Body building might not be your game mate…..
> Body builders look fucking fit as fuck well into their
> 40's and 50's

And then what. they keel over in their 50s? Like the gantzer brothers?

> Beezers wrote:

> This isn't the place to come for fitness related health
> advise. Read Men's health for that shit. The majority
> of those on this
> board are here for one sole reason. To be a big as
> humanly possible. This requires an extreme life style.
> High calories and
> high protein. Nutrition is by far the most critical
> aspect of building muscle...why most of us are here.
> You want health, not
> the bodybuilding lifstyle...then you're at the wrong
> place. You asked a bunch of juice heads the health
> risks of a (in our
> lives) mandatory high protein diet. It must be done to
> build muscle...end of story. There is nothing
> dangerous about it. It's
> far mor dangerous to continually consume a high GI
> high carb diet...like most Americans do. This leads to a
> little problem known as diebetes.(potenetially). If your
> a healthy human being then your body is more than
> capable of
> handling large amounts of protein. It's necessary for
> muscle hypertrophy.

My question was not *stating* that high protein is risky but *asking* if it was risky. If you dont have any idea how risky it is, why do you feel inclined to reveal your ignorance? Surely it is a question that anybody planning to go on a high protein diet should ask himself and then decide if it's worth that risk to him to go on it. Incidentally, I've decided upon reading further on the subject that the risks are minimal and I've gone on it. I want health and big muscles and (no thanks to the above stupid remarks) I've found that I *can* have both if I'm careful to follow certain rules.

regards
Carl

Bollix twatface. Is my incredible witty and clever retort.

 

[liftsiron]

The bottom line is if you want to grow and recover from workouts eat 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Anyone who says that this amount will harm liver or kidneys is highly misinformed.

 

[SpikeDog]

The bottom line is that without high protien you are wasting your time trying to put on muscle mass. if you are serious, then up yout protien to 1.5 grams and watch you blood work. Basically everything is harmful to you. Running, not running,,, lifting,, not lifting,,eating,, not eating. Just pick your course and monitor things

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Re: Response to several posts

Bollix twatface. Is my incredible witty and clever retort.

you loved everyone last week i suppose you have started your Clomid therapy LOL

make you right though mate!

Did the move go ok? now you have left us South Londeners for the highlife in Uxbridge

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

You've been lifting for 10 years and yet you still no nothing about Nutrition????

What a waste of 10 years!

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF

 

[ragin']

LMAO @ gary. you're one funny mf.

 

[macDbol]

pussy

 

[Duck]

I agree with AD about starting with 1 G and gradually bump it up if you want. And if you'vegot insurance-the lab tests will be sure to ease your mind.

 

[cgi2]

Great info source

In threads asking people to list their biggest mistakes in the context of bodybuilding, not having enough information seems to come up tops. Most people waste a lot of time doing things wrong, or at least sub-optimally.

I myself lifted for 2-3 years starting 10 years ago. I gained a little but then plateaued out. This made me lose interest in building muscle. I did continue with aerobics though. I did have some idea that my nutrition was deficient but could not do much about it, being in a poor third world country. I'm in the US now.

I realize now that I could have gained a lot more from all my effort if I had educated myself first. That's what I'm trying to do this time around.

I thank the people who've given me good advice in this thread. I dont understand why some have chosen to be nasty.

For anyone else looking for good information, I'd highly recommend
http://www.exrx.net/

regards
-Carl

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Hey Carl, Knowledge is Power. Just keep studying, learning, reading, analyzing, researching and you'll be fine. If your goal isn't to gain muscle, but rather just to be healthy then:

1 gram of protein per lb(lean steak, fish, chicken, tuna, protein powders) of bodyweight.
1 gram of carbs per lb of bodyweight (oatmeal, veggies, fruits, yams, potatos).
1/2 gram of fat per lb of bodyweight.
(unsaturated sources such as avacados, essential oils, fish, peanut butter, etc.).

If you eat 5-7 meals a day, small - medium sized portions, You'll not only be healthy but you'll look good as well. You also will make more progress in the next 6 months than you did in the previous 10 years.

Good Luck.

 

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I am the FART KING!!!!!