HCG not beneficial after cycles?

[Zyglamail]

I guess what I'm really wondering is this: What is the main benefit of taking HCG post cycle. I can obtain it very easily, however, I don't want to waste money on it if it isn't necessary.
Also, thanks Zyglamail for all the helpful info!

The benefit is in its ability to reverse atrophy. Let me try and elaborate a bit. When on a cycle our testis stop producing testosterone and at the same time our bodies also stop producing LH which in turn triggers a response from the testis. So while on a cycle we actually have a whole sting of things not being released(or in diminushed qty) due to the existance of external androgens. Clomid/nolva do nothing directly to the testis. They block the estrogen receptor and fool the body into thinking there is not enough testosterone and hence start the release of LH which in turn will affect the testis. Clomid/nolva will not fool the body into producing LH while on a cycle because the body also monitors androgen levels and if they are high, even in the absence of estrogen, LH will not be produced.Directly taking HCG is like injecting LH and will get the testis going, even if high androgen levels. What that means is post cycle when you go to start clomid it should work faster at spurring on test production since the atrophy from lack of functioning has been reversed since the testis were forced into producing by the HCG.

 

[Numberfive]

Great info, Zyg.

I don't want to mess with the sides associated with clomid, so I will go with HCG/Nolva after I do my first cycle. I may use d-bol at 5-10 mg in the morning to help with the transition during post-cycle recovery. My first cycle will be 500mg of test enenthate for 8-10 weeks with d-bol to kickstart at 25mg per day for weeks 1-6. Of course I'll have milk thistle, ALA, L-dex, etc. on hand throughout the cycle.

I'm guessing natural recovery should not be too difficult for me because of the relatively low androgen levels of the cycle, but any comments are sure appreciated. I want to preserve any gains I make without crying every 10 minutes or suffering from other clomid-related sides.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

The benefit is in its ability to reverse atrophy. Let me try and elaborate a bit. When on a cycle our testis stop producing testosterone and at the same time our bodies also stop producing LH which in turn triggers a response from the testis. So while on a cycle we actually have a whole sting of things not being released(or in diminushed qty) due to the existance of external androgens. Clomid/nolva do nothing directly to the testis. They block the estrogen receptor and fool the body into thinking there is not enough testosterone and hence start the release of LH which in turn will affect the testis. Clomid/nolva will not fool the body into producing LH while on a cycle because the body also monitors androgen levels and if they are high, even in the absence of estrogen, LH will not be produced.Directly taking HCG is like injecting LH and will get the testis going, even if high androgen levels. What that means is post cycle when you go to start clomid it should work faster at spurring on test production since the atrophy from lack of functioning has been reversed since the testis were forced into producing by the HCG.

SOME GOOD INFO BRO

 

[XCYTER]

Im writin it down.

 

[IronKop77]

The benefit is in its ability to reverse atrophy. Let me try and elaborate a bit. When on a cycle our testis stop producing testosterone and at the same time our bodies also stop producing LH which in turn triggers a response from the testis. So while on a cycle we actually have a whole sting of things not being released(or in diminushed qty) due to the existance of external androgens. Clomid/nolva do nothing directly to the testis. They block the estrogen receptor and fool the body into thinking there is not enough testosterone and hence start the release of LH which in turn will affect the testis. Clomid/nolva will not fool the body into producing LH while on a cycle because the body also monitors androgen levels and if they are high, even in the absence of estrogen, LH will not be produced.Directly taking HCG is like injecting LH and will get the testis going, even if high androgen levels. What that means is post cycle when you go to start clomid it should work faster at spurring on test production since the atrophy from lack of functioning has been reversed since the testis were forced into producing by the HCG.

Ok zyg do I undertand this right then. If HCG is taken thruout the entire duration of the cycle your testes will never shut down. So in theory one could stay on year long and experience little or no testis astrophy?

 

[skinny1]

i know this might sound like a stupid question...but whats with the big deal on negative sides from clomid? Shit..its just aggravating hearing newbies whine about sides of clomid. WAKE UP....the sides of the AAS your using are alot worse than what clomid does to you..A few sides are nothing thats gonna kill you with clomid...and nothing gets the balls back to functioning and helping save gains, then clomid. and its cheap!!! if clomid scares you...dont do AAS....and just breast feed off your mothers milk..hopefully youll grow...If not..send your mommas breast my way..lol

 

[IronKop77]

u there zyg?