Has anyone tried Nelson Montana's Post Cycle Alternatives to Clomid?

[Nelson Montana]

Singleton: If your first statement were an IQ question the answer would be false. But, let's not bore everyone with algebraic examples because it's too,well, pretentious. If you want to contonue a more abstruse line of questioning you can PM me but for the sake of all concerned, let's speak English, okay?

bigguns brings up a good point that is all too often overlooked. Decreasing estrogen does not necessarily increase testosterone, yet that is the premise most people rely on with regard to the use of anti-estrogens.

But now we're getting away from the original point. Estrogen managagment with the use of Clomid is way too hit or miss. In some people it increases estrogenic side effects. In others, it lowers estrogen too much. In general, even if it does what it's supposed to do, it isn't needed as often as it's taken and if a cycle is done correctly, it isn't needed at all.

But now I'm repeating myself so I'm going to see if there are any other interesting threads. I've been insanely busy and I'm too pooped to write one myself.

 

[KA-BAR]

I don't know about all the scientific mubo jumbo but I have tried not using it at end of cycle and using it and there is no comparison IMO. Clomid definitely works great for me. Brought my balls back alot faster and I had no sides while using it except my loads could put someone’s eye out. lol. I also like to run HCG, proviron and nolvadex at the end of cycle.

 

[Raven18330]

here is a thought,
It seems that you all agree that clomid works for some, and not for others. So y don't you just tell them to try it, and then try the alternatives, and then make a sound judgement on what works best for them.

 

[andymac]

far too logical Raven

 

[Vítor Rage]

I feel much better in all aspects when i do noy use clomid or nolvadex post cycle.
I do my recover just with proviron , 4 weeks , 50mg wks 1 and 2 and 25mg weeks 3 and 4.
Yes, my cycle was kind of moderate-heavy (anadron 4 wks + test 1g/wk 8 wks + proviron ED). Big gains.
I keep good gains, and yes, even after i stopped proviron.
I keep my sexual drive and yes, even after i stop proviron.
Thanks Nelson for good advice.

 

[bbkingpin]

Hmmm, should I ttempt to correct Singletons pretentious attempt at skewed logic? Let's see...if someone is offended by something false, inflamatory and accusatory, it's because there's truth to the statement? That's just dumb.

Let's address something more worthwhile.

Regarding the detremental effects of Clomid: It's been stated many times over.

Next point.

Clomids negitive side effects are NOT the result of post cycle depression. Many people (including myself) have used Clomid in between cycles and experienced the same shitty side effects. That settles that.

The same misunderstanding goes for the research studies on the benefits clomid. As Rio brought up -- they show that LH in supressed individuals increased over time, but LH will increase over time WITHOUT Clomid. And as speller mentioned, it's really a lbido killer in many people.

The statement made by George about the buckets of cum is one with which I simply disagree. It's one of those rumors that has been parroted so often it's taken as fact, when in reality it's a myth. (Yeah, yeah, some people claim it worked so I won't argue. But there's absolutely no evidence to that occuring nor do I see any scientific reason why it would. Even if Clomid increase sperm count, which is arguable, that has nothing to do with ejaculate volume. But, whatever).

As far as Avena -- it'll help, but how well and how fast is impossible to say. Some people notice it immediatly while others need to build it up for a while. There are simply too many factors involved. I do believe Xanthroparmia's effects are quite instantaneous -- not in regard to hormone production or even libido, but erectile function. Much like viagra, you'll be able to get it up, even if you're not in the mood. But of course, once it's up, it's easy to get in the mood.

Thanks for the reply. If I want to increase my load, a week of abstinence usually does the trick ... assuming my HPTA is not suppressed.

 

[bbkingpin]

I feel much better in all aspects when i do noy use clomid or nolvadex post cycle.
I do my recover just with proviron , 4 weeks , 50mg wks 1 and 2 and 25mg weeks 3 and 4.
Yes, my cycle was kind of moderate-heavy (anadron 4 wks + test 1g/wk 8 wks + proviron ED). Big gains.
I keep good gains, and yes, even after i stopped proviron.
I keep my sexual drive and yes, even after i stop proviron.
Thanks Nelson for good advice.

How can you recover by using Proviron? Proviron is an androgenic steroid. If anything it should keep you suppressed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Proviron won't help in recovery but it'll ease the transition.

I've actually been getting PM's about getting bigger loads. (Mom would be so proud) The one thing that adds to loads is, of all things, zinc. Lecithin may help too. And xanthoparmilia, but that may be due to the fact that it gives you steel hardons which in turn leads to a more forceful ejacualtion.

I think Elite needs a new forum -- Boner Board.

 

[psychedout]

Use clomid, nolva, and HCG, and you solve all these problems.

 

[Juicifer]

actually in most people clomid increases libido

it does to me