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jagsmjd

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Ok guys, my previous cycle was a success. Dropped fat like crazy. Maintained most of by muscle. Percentages of fat loss unknown.

I ran a low carb high fat and protein with refeeds every Saturday. Trained 5-6 Days with cardio after each session.

Ran 20mg split GW and EC

My question, about to do it again, long break. Should I still run a low carb high fat and protein or a lower fat medium carb high protein diet considering GW helps or body neutralize fat for energy.

Thoughts? All be running the same split
 
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Honestly you dont really need to change your diet with GW. I'd personally recommend high protein med fat, low-med carbs
 
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Preciate it. I'll run about 225P=900 cal
100C=400 cal
50F=450 cal

1750 cal. Maint maybe 2000-2200

It won't really change my current diet too much
 
jagsmjd said:
Ok guys, my previous cycle was a success. Dropped fat like crazy. Maintained most of by muscle. Percentages of fat loss unknown.

I ran a low carb high fat and protein with refeeds every Saturday. Trained 5-6 Days with cardio after each session.

Ran 20mg split GW and EC

My question, about to do it again, long break. Should I still run a low carb high fat and protein or a lower fat medium carb high protein diet considering GW helps or body neutralize fat for energy.

Thoughts? All be running the same split
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With all my clients, I always say don't mess with success. If you ran a low carb/high fat/high protein along with refeeds worked well, why change it? Generally, good ratios are: 40%protein/40%fat/20%carbs. If you want to do something closer to ketogenic (evolutionary diet maybe), you can try 50%protein/40%fat/10%carbs.

That being said, stick to the split you ran last time and good luck my friend.:coffee:
 
Wolfpack, that's exactly what I was thinking. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just wasn't sure if I reaped all benefits from that plan. But you're right, I guess I just needed reassurance.

200P=800
100F=900
10-15C=40-50C

Look good?
 
Jagsmjd....were you trying to follow a ketogenic diet? How many grams of carbs were you taking in daily?

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For a keto diet ...i've read that carbs have to be less than 18g per day which should come from mostly green veggies. I've tried the keto diet with success at 65%fat/35%protein/5%carbs...brings you into ketosis faster.

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jagsmjd said:
Wolfpack, that's exactly what I was thinking. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just wasn't sure if I reaped all benefits from that plan. But you're right, I guess I just needed reassurance.

200P=800
100F=900
10-15C=40-50C

Look good?
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I don't know your stats. What are your stats? because you're at 1750 now, which isn't high.
 
chizzled77 said:
Jagsmjd....were you trying to follow a ketogenic diet? How many grams of carbs were you taking in daily?

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My previous cycle of GW, i ram a keto diet. 35g carbs or less with a refeed weekly of around 250g carbs
 
This is what I'm thinking, broscience for sure tho. Since GW "switches" our bodies preferred energy source to fat wouldn't consuming less fat result in more stored fat being used for energy? Or does it not work that.
Or since if I'm doing keto, my body is already releasing stored fat for energy after using the dietary fat, and the GW multiplies this
 
jagsmjd said:
This is what I'm thinking, broscience for sure tho. Since GW "switches" our bodies preferred energy source to fat wouldn't consuming less fat result in more stored fat being used for energy? Or does it not work that.
Or since if I'm doing keto, my body is already releasing stored fat for energy after using the dietary fat, and the GW multiplies this
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I've had clients run cardarine (GW) with the evolutionary diet (ketogenic) with great results and with a high protein/moderate or low fat with great results. Cardarine is so versatile, it's amazing. The results come with all types of diets.:cool:
 
Preciate all the help fellas. I'll probably run moderate carbs/Loe to moderate fats/High protein.
When I ran the keto, the fat stripped away however my muscles did look a lil flat, until refeed day and the following lol they were as full as can be!!

I'll run above and comment which worked best.
 
Its the refeeding part that makes it mentally difficult for me to go back into the keto diet...feels too good eating all those carbs on refeed. Im gonna give it another shot though.

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chizzled77 said:
Its the refeeding part that makes it mentally difficult for me to go back into the keto diet...feels too good eating all those carbs on refeed. Im gonna give it another shot though.
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Yup, post-refeed is one of the hardest parts of the diet, but it's going to be worth it long-term.:cool:
 
Im running the Evo Diet right now with great results. I agree, that the day after the refeed is the toughtest... matter of fact, I cave in some cases. But I'm having some really great results with it. Eating carbs just makes me blow up so quickly.

When I eat high fat, I look extremely dry. Im currently running about 1500 calories a day, and I still continue to put on muscle mass and cut.. It's great!

The only reason I am so low on calories(being 228lbs) is because I want to really drop BF and get into single digits... and since Im running a few goodies, things are looking great with zero muscle loss.
 
IMO , which is nothing new , just focus your carbs first thing in the morning or whenever you wake up from your sleeping fast , and then pre- and post- workout , and I think your calories seem a bit low for your stats but 1750 calories will def yield fat loss but you won't build any muscle with those calories and you'll be pushing it to not lose muscle at 225 grams of protien daily especially if your doing cardio 4-5 times a week , but I do agree that what's worked for you before is where I would start , I personally have never been a fan of high fat diets but that's also because my body never responds well to high fat and I've never had a problem building muscle on a very low fat diet , but hey to each his own ;)
 
Shrine1

Injifuel is right.....you should be better off tapering your way down to the single digits by going into a calorie deficit of 500 to 800 calories from maintenance. You'll get to single digits and will still look muscularly big.



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It's funny cause the diet has taken me the longest to understand. Everyone is so different, in terms of how protein, fat and carbs are utilized.

High fat for me, equals fat loss.. but that's me personally. Muscle gain has never been a challenge. You just have to experiment, and find what works best for you.

I know other guys here who also hate high fat diets and respond well to carbs

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The best diet to run on gw is to raise clean carbs a bit and lower overall fat intake.Ive said this 100 times and nobody has used gw more then i do.Gw bypasses the carb masses in your body and goes right to burning fat when you excerise.That is beauty of the compound and why it is so effective as a fat burner.
 
hurricane said:
The best diet to run on gw is to raise clean carbs a bit and lower overall fat intake.Ive said this 100 times and nobody has used gw more then i do.Gw bypasses the carb masses in your body and goes right to burning fat when you excerise.That is beauty of the compound and why it is so effective as a fat burner.
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This is exactly the same way I run GW. Low fat with moderate carb intake works very well for me
 
chizzled77 said:
Would macros be like this 20% fat, 30%carbs, 50% protein for Results on GW?

Does anyone know if clen & t3 would be good to add to the GW?
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I don't like T3 or Clen at all. Clen is harsh and nasty, and T3 is extremely catabolic and messes with your thyroid function.

I would actually have the carbs and protein closer to 40-45% and the fats at 10-15% personally. That's just what works better for me
 
I agree with Rick.. Clen has some nasty ass sides. If you want to go that route, just run some Albuterol from AG-Guys. It's a killer combination with GW and N2burn if you really want to incinerate fat.
 
I think you should avoid garbage at all times no matter what.. that isn't a 'diet' to me that is a 'lifestyle'

the GW will work wonders if you already have a solid lifestyle, you seem like you are on your way my only concern is your stats scream of someone with very little muscle mass which is why I wish you would of used T stack and did my shredder stack http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...edder-stack-non-suppressive-safe-1279153.html which protects your muscle during a catabolic run like that.
 
chizzled77 said:
How long can GW be cycled?

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till your body builds a resistance and it starts to lose effectivness. Usually about 12-16 weeks for most.Yes it needs to be cycled.Listen to your body and when you see the effects starting to wear off.
 
Thanks for the info brothers...i will be including GW in my arsenal.

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RickRock13 said:
I don't like T3 or Clen at all. Clen is harsh and nasty, and T3 is extremely catabolic and messes with your thyroid function.

I would actually have the carbs and protein closer to 40-45% and the fats at 10-15% personally. That's just what works better for me
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I agree with all of this, though low dose t3 CAN be mildly catabolic, though what's the point of taking if not cutting? T3 can be catabolic towards muscle even if var or tren is incorporated. Clen is a heartstopper. Some disagree but do a quick search of all bodybuilder deaths and just many have died from clen as have died from AAS.

If OP is looking for a beta-2 adrenergenic fat burner, albuterol from www.ag-guys.com is [emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91].

Lastly, gw is an endurance/cardio intensifier. You will notice some increased fat loss if you use the same cardio program that you utilized pre-gw because it skips glycolytic energy. However, fat loss will be much more pronounced if you increase your intensity. GW significantly improves your endurance. This means, the work you can do while on is much more than when you aren't. In order to get my heart rate to optimal fat burning range (135-145 for me using the karvonen formula), I had to increase the speed of the treadmill by at least 30%.
 
ok guys,

been running the lower fat diet as a point of comparison against my previous keto type I used last. Down to 181 and lifts are consistant. Starting to shred like no other. Cardio is 5days a week and core work is every other workout. hitting it 6days a week at 400 under maint. give or take
 
jagsmjd said:
ok guys,

been running the lower fat diet as a point of comparison against my previous keto type I used last. Down to 181 and lifts are consistant. Starting to shred like no other. Cardio is 5days a week and core work is every other workout. hitting it 6days a week at 400 under maint. give or take
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this is exactly what you want to do on gw.Carbs are less of a concern on gw
 
gymrat827 said:
correct sir, few people realize this tho......
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yes im amazed by it.Its one of the top benefits of gw and people are still not getting it.Some of the gw regular users as well.Called missing the boat.
 
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