Glucose Utilization in Relation to an Ingested Meal

[Generic MALE]

I have done BodyOpus type diets and 1:1 ratio F ones and know them backwards and forwards. I studied them for over 3 years.

LOL...well it certainly does sound like you have done alot of reading of pop science best sellers. Keep it up you just might be the next Dr. Phil.

Really though your understanding of what is actually proven about insulin and what it does is sorely lacking.

 

[Fonz]

Well, I must admit I probably did not read it all that thoroughly. You are probably right.

After seeing the initial test results (which just aren't believable as being accurate), I did not see much reason to carefully labor through it all or click the links. I mean the credibility was laughably destroyed early on.

I finish a rotation today and so will have a bit more time to spare. If opportunity presents itself I may take the time to hammer through it and pick apart the details as you request. I am not sure what the good of that is, as pointing our flaws in your research probably won't spur better efforts in the future, nor will it make much difference in the lives of guys who would do anything including shoot cow flop into their necks if it meant they thought they would get a bit larger. Like your study it would be an exercise in futility, but if I can convince myself it would be fun to pick it apart I might.

The whole point of this board(and others) is to criticize and pick apart studies in order to make them more accurate.

Don't think I'll get offended...quite the opposite, I won't be. I'm actually looking forward to reading your analysis. This isn't a popularity game, (I'm not here to be King of the Hill), its a discussion about a theoretical paper based on a glucometric study. And that with a LOT of comments from knowledgeable people we can refine and polish further into a precise paper.

Fonz

 

[Generic MALE]

When insulin levels(Normally pretty much directly related to Blood sugar levels) in a healthy adult(or athlete in my case) reach approx. 30mg/dl, INSULIN IS AUTOMATICALLY RELEASED from the beta cells in the Islet of Langerhans in the pancreas no matter what. This is the bodies own feedback loop for low insulin levels. If the body didn't do this, insulin levels would plummet even further and you would pass out into a comatose state and most likely die. So, after the pancreas releases the insulin, insulin levels return back to a normal state(depending on the person...normally (60-90mg/dl))This of course does not apply to Type I or Type II diabetics. This release of insulin by the pancreas when insulin levels reach approx. 30mg/dl has already been shown to happen in deep, deep ketosis, in regards to people following ketogenic type diets, or athletes after an exceedingly strenous workout where they have both wiped out their muscle glycogen and liver gycogen.

Lower limit for a healthy adult = 30mg/dl

I am mostly just saving this for later, in case you decided to go back and edit this post, because I wanted to go over this later when I have more time.

However one comment now - where in the hell do you get that 30 mg/dl is a healthy level for a normal adult? If you can give me one credible medical source I would be amazed. I would bet a bottle of calcium D glucurate (60 pills 500 mg) that you cannot find an accepted source (not some pulp best seller from Barnes and Nobles quick sale rack) that agrees with this. Sure people can survive 30 mg/DL - but 30 mg/dl is in NO WAY a normal variant. That is just crazy.

 

[Generic MALE]

This is a serious question - could you point me to some reading I could do about how insulin raises blood sugar?

 

[Fonz]

This is a serious question - could you point me to some reading I could do about how insulin raises blood sugar?

Stop trying to patronize me because I'm not in the mood.

Insulin LOWERS blood sugar. It sweeps all the nutrients in the bloodstream into the cells(Muscle, fat,liver)

At the same time GLUCAGON levels(In direct correlation to insulin levels...the relationship is an inverse one). If insulin levels increase, glucagon levels decrease....and if insulin levels decrease, glucagon levels increase.

But, the 30mg/dl insulin level feedback loop is the exception to this rule.

When Insulin levels drop to such low levels(30mg/dl), Glucagon levels are very high, and the body initiates a feedback loop where it releases a burst of insulin autmatically, which increases insulin levels, and therefore lowering lowering glucagon levels....which drops you out of danger.
In ketogenic diets, this happens when the dieter reaches a state of such deep Ketosis(Insulin levels of 30-40mg/dl), that the body immediately releases insulin, which increases insulin levels... which then reduces glucagon levels drastically, kicking you out of ketosis.

So, the answer to your question is that:

Yes, insulin CAN raise blood sugar in a very special case....as I have explained above.

Fonz

 

[riptorn]

One of the best games of Elite fitness Tennis I have seen ,keep up the work boys it is all very interesting

 

[Generic MALE]

Stop trying to patronize me because I'm not in the mood.

I really was not trying to be patronizing. I was just wanting a credible reference in regards to your ideas.

Oy vey Fonz. I am not sure what to even say in response to this most recent post of yours regarding glucagon and insulin. *sigh*

I may respond to this later, but ...whew...what does one say to the idea that by reducing glucagon, when someone has marked hypoglycemia it will somehow benefit them? You do know that glucagon injections are used in medicine to save someones life when they have marked hypoglycemia, because it raises blood sugar....right? I mean, it is commonly accepted in the medical world that a surge of insulin when someone is severely hypoglycemic is very dangerous if not lethal. Its also accepted that giving glucagon (not dropping it) is a correct medical strategy.

I looked in perhaps half a dozen standard medical texts today and could not find 30 mg/dl as a normal variant in any of them - not even for neonates.

I am impressed with the depth of your thoughts. I may not be understanding this-heck, I never even use words like "polynomial". I will try to stay open minded as you present your ideas. Maybe you will revolutionize medicine and bb'ing. *shrug* Who knows. Maybe medicine has it all wrong.

 

[Andy13]

lol..

What a circus..

 

[Andy13]

Hey Fonz-- Still 8am in Spain?

 

[Fonz]

Hey Fonz-- Still 8am in Spain?

I'm in the US now.

Fonz