For the Ones with experience -Body Fat Loss- Supplements??

[fenix777]

Ok i have been reading about lipoflame and some other Fat Loss supplements here on the Elite and i would love to have some recomendations from those with experience using the stuff.

What would you recomend to use for lossing belly fat along with weight training? Also im very sensitive to supplements like Xenadrine (when Ephedra was the main active ingridient) that kind gives me the shakes and i get very nervous.

 

[footballstud]

ECA + diet + cardio

Start with a lower dose until your sensitivity (which some people would kill for) subsides

 

[partagus]

I lost 15 pounds in the last three weeks.

I have been running Lipoflame and Dermatherm.

I have got my diet in check, and got back in the gym.

This is my first experience with Derma and I am happy.

I have used Lipoflame before and that stuff is the best! It will be perfect for you. I used to get a littly jittery on Ephedra and you get none of that with Lipo. The stuff really works.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Lipoflame 2 weeks/ ECA 2 weeks thats a GOOD split, keeps your body from adapting to the stims to quickly.

-Legacy

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

I lost 15 pounds in the last three weeks.

I have been running Lipoflame and Dermatherm.

I have got my diet in check, and got back in the gym.

This is my first experience with Derma and I am happy.

I have used Lipoflame before and that stuff is the best! It will be perfect for you. I used to get a littly jittery on Ephedra and you get none of that with Lipo. The stuff really works.

This is what helped you the most in my opinion.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

^^^^ Obviously :-D

-Legacy

 

[GUARDIAN]

1)Diet in order
2)Cardio
3)Xplosive Burn www.proteabody.com

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lipoflame 2 weeks/ ECA 2 weeks thats a GOOD split, keeps your body from adapting to the stims to quickly.

-Legacy

Good choice and no overlap. Try adding some ZIP to that. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=108&cat=0&page=1 It works from a completely different principle so you get a triple hit of fat burning without overdoing any particular ingredient. And of course, diet and training are key. The supps just puts a little advantage in your favor.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Nelson, agreeing with something I say, Im surprised :-D

How exactly does "zip" work?

-Legacy

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, agreeing with something I say, Im surprised :-D

How exactly does "zip" work?

-Legacy

ZIP hypes the thyroid. It has no caffeine, which really doesn't have anything to do with fat burning. In fact, it's fat SPARING. (Technically carb sparing). Caffeine just gives a boost so you can train harder.

ZIP actually allows the thyroid to use fat for fuel so your workouts are more efficient and the energy exerted goes toward using up bodyfat.

 

[bblazer]

I see ZIP has 7-Keto. I take that as a stand alone supp. Do you also feel this is the better way to get DHEA supplementation? Additionally, what role does it play in ZIP?

Thanks!

B-

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Yeah I try to leave caffeine and Asprin to a minimum in the stacks.

Ao your saying running Zip along with the 2/2 Lipo/ECA regimine is the best way to do it?

What is the dosing like with zip and cost per month.

-Legacy

 

[OMEGA]

Aside from the other nice things mentioned

the LIPOSTACK ultra is One of the most complete Stacks one can get,
with LIPOFLAME being the anchor in that stack:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8005132-post1.html

Add ons like DermaTHERM and ZIP are def note worthy and synergistic

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yeah I try to leave caffeine and Asprin to a minimum in the stacks.

Ao your saying running Zip along with the 2/2 Lipo/ECA regimine is the best way to do it?

What is the dosing like with zip and cost per month.

-Legacy

7 keto is nothing at all like DHEA. It's non hormonal and directly effects fat loss through thyroid activation, yet is not a stimulant.

Yes, the ZIP, Lipo stack works very well together. A bottle lasts about a month.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Hmmm sounds interesting...I have not used any fat burners that work through the thyroid, maybe its worth a shot.

-Legacy

 

[jock52]

Aside from the other nice things mentioned

the LIPOSTACK ultra is One of the most complete Stacks one can get,
with LIPOFLAME being the anchor in that stack:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8005132-post1.html

Add ons like DermaTHERM and ZIP are def note worthy and synergistic

Was thinking of doing 2 weeks LipoFlame / 2 weeks BCL EPH HARDCORE until completion of the bottles. How does that sound?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

That plan sounds good, exactly what I had layed out in a previous post lol. 2/2 ECA/Lipo.

-Legacy

 

[jock52]

That plan sounds good, exactly what I had layed out in a previous post lol. 2/2 ECA/Lipo.

-Legacy

Hah, I know. Have you ran that? If so, how did it work for you?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I have ran Lipo/ECA on and off, yes. works well.

-Legacy

 

[OMEGA]

DJLegacy is the specialist on the ECA / LIPOFLAME 2 week on / OFF split

I have not used ECA in years but his ideas make sense for sure.

To tap into the results of both, avoid downregulation of Thyroid, and also the Stimulation "feel"

 

[bblazer]

7 keto is nothing at all like DHEA. It's non hormonal and directly effects fat loss through thyroid activation, yet is not a stimulant.

You are right (I wasn't very clear in my original comment). 7-keto is actually a metabolite of DHEA.

B-

From the University of Illinois:

Potential Benefits of 7-KETO DHEA
According to Henry Lardy, PhD, of the National Academy of Sciences, 7-KETO DHEA offers the potential benefits of DHEA without the risks. 7-KETO DHEA is a natural metabolite, also called conversion product, of DHEA. Once DHEA is converted to the 7-KETO form it can no longer be used to make the sex hormones that present cancer risks.

In preliminary studies on animals, 7-Keto DHEA stimulates the immune system, prevents muscle loss (anti-catabolic), reduces stress, increases the calorie-burning rate by activating thermogenic liver enzymes and improves memory more than DHEA or a placebo. Monkeys infected with the simian version of HIV displayed weight gain, a five-fold increase in T-cell counts and improvement in overall behavior and clinical condition.

Is 7-KETO DHEA safe?
Short and long-term safety studies show 7-KETO DHEA is not mutagenic. That means it has not damaged the DNA in rats and monkeys, and it has no other adverse effects, even at milligram/body weight doses up to 70 times the recommended dose for humans, which is 50 mg a day.

One 28-day human safety trial has been completed. It confirmed that 7-KETO DHEA does not raise levels of sex or other hormones or affect blood and urine chemistry, at doses of up to 200 mg per day. It cannot convert to estrogens or testosterone, so it cannot promote prostate enlargement or cancer, breast tumors and other sex hormone effects that may occur with DHEA supplementation.

 

[jock52]

DJLegacy is the specialist on the ECA / LIPOFLAME 2 week on / OFF split

I have not used ECA in years but his ideas make sense for sure.

To tap into the results of both, avoid downregulation of Thyroid, and also the Stimulation "feel"

Great, going to be picking me up some then. Might have a few orders coming your way OMEGA... been telling a lot of guys on my boat about your wonder suppliments

 

[dbcooper]

Ok i have been reading about lipoflame and some other Fat Loss supplements here on the Elite and i would love to have some recomendations from those with experience using the stuff.

What would you recomend to use for lossing belly fat along with weight training? Also im very sensitive to supplements like Xenadrine (when Ephedra was the main active ingridient) that kind gives me the shakes and i get very nervous.

ECA for sure

 

[AztecWarrior]

Look into non-stim fat burners, appitite suppresents, and have your diet down to a key.

 

[AztecWarrior]

You might want to look into albuterol in liquid form. It's less harder on the CNS and has good fat burning effect.

 

[fenix777]

Im back can we update which supps i should use to help me lose middle body fat (love handles).

 

[NOS2.0]

In an ECA stack, would replacing the asprin with Green tea extract be a good idea?
Green tea extract is a natural fat mobilizer as well as a natural blood thinner.
E 16mg
C 200mg
G 600mg

 

[DeathMetal]

Running 2-week cycles as follows, and f00king METLING fat off. Cycle can be ran for 8 weeks assuming you're taking Benadryl.

CYCLE 1
24mg E
200mg C
200mg A
1 pill Alpha T-2
TWICE DAILY

CYCLE 2
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/100/100 mcg Clen
5g Taurine
3g Potassium
1 pill Alpha T-2 twice daily


THROUGHOUT CYCLE
2 tabs Benadryl before bed (can't recommend this enough)
4mL Synthetine

...and I'm carb cycling. Losing about 1.5-3lbs WEEKLY for the past 5 weeks

 

[DeathMetal]

In an ECA stack, would replacing the asprin with Green tea extract be a good idea?
Green tea extract is a natural fat mobilizer as well as a natural blood thinner.
E 16mg
C 200mg
G 600mg

If anything, substitute the G for Yohmibe...but I don't even recommend that; yohimbe taken in too large amount really spikes the BP.

 

[fenix777]

Running 2-week cycles as follows, and f00king METLING fat off. Cycle can be ran for 8 weeks assuming you're taking Benadryl.

CYCLE 1
24mg E
200mg C
200mg A
1 pill Alpha T-2
TWICE DAILY

CYCLE 2
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/100/100 mcg Clen
5g Taurine
3g Potassium
1 pill Alpha T-2 twice daily


THROUGHOUT CYCLE
2 tabs Benadryl before bed (can't recommend this enough)
4mL Synthetine

...and I'm carb cycling. Losing about 1.5-3lbs WEEKLY for the past 5 weeks

But i thought clen is a stimulant, right? Also when you write A, E, C, do you mean vitamins? Also why benadril?

 

[DeathMetal]

But i thought clen is a stimulant, right? Also when you write A, E, C, do you mean vitamins? Also why benadril?

E = Ephdedra
C = Caffiene
A = Aspirin

Both clen and ECA are beta aganists, benadryl can be used to minimize saturation. Ketotifen is the better option over Benadryl, but holy hell is it expensive. You don't HAVE to take the Benadrly, but I run the alternating circuits over 8 weeks, and I can personally tell the difference if I'm not taking the Benadryl throughout.

 

[DeathMetal]

I'd also recommend Snythetine and Synthaslesen if you're not looking to go the stimulant route.

 

[NOS2.0]

What does the Benadryl do?

 

[jester72]

What does the Benadryl do?

Keeps receptors fresh so that the clen works effectively. The longer you use clen, it's response diminishes. Keto is king obviously, but Benadryl will work as well.

 

[NOS2.0]

What about for Ephedrine? does it also have the same effect?

 

[DeathMetal]

What does the Benadryl do?

Didn't I JUST answer that?

 

[NOS2.0]

Didn't I JUST answer that?

Sorry bro, I didnt quite understand the first time I read it. With the addition of jester's comment I do now.
Is saturation an issue if the Ephedrine is kept at 16mg once per day, everyday for 4 week cycles?
Also, would the Benadryl help with keeping Caffeine effective?

 

[needtogetaas]

n2slin,n2flam, n2 burn all the best of there kinds

 

[jester72]

Didn't I JUST answer that?

Yep! Just pulled out the main point and simplified it, as it seemed he was still confused at the time.

 

[DeathMetal]

Sorry bro, I didnt quite understand the first time I read it. With the addition of jester's comment I do now.
Is saturation an issue if the Ephedrine is kept at 16mg once per day, everyday for 4 week cycles?
Also, would the Benadryl help with keeping Caffeine effective?

All good, my man - I'm just busting your balls

To be completely honest, there's no 'golden formula' that determines when there are diminishing returns on use. PERSONALLY, I prefer to take 24mg twice daily. Why? I take it in the morning and later in the afternoon; I typically workout around 13:00, so I take the ECA during the early and latter portions of the day to keep things moving when I'm a bit sedentary, then let my motivation do the work at mid-day during my session.

16mg 3 x daily might work just fine. In all honesty, using ECA effectively take a little bit of tweaking and listening to your body. If you're taking 24mg at 8pm and can fall asleep soundly at 10pm...time to call it a cycle and give it a rest. Otherwise, keep on pushing.

CLIFFS: Take the benadryl and dose ECA as your body can handle it. When higher amounts aren't doing anything, time for a rest period; listen to your body.

 

[NOS2.0]

Ok, thanks. Im trying both ECG/Bpi Roxylean, and ECG x2 daily (trying this tomorrow).
Does the Benadryl have any effect on cleansing the A1 recptors of the caffeine?
If not, is there something easy to get that does?