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Fina and HIV.... need some help here guys
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Circuitboy: did u use any kind of drugs in the past?
Drugs like X or G will kill you when u have HIV!
Drugs like X or G will kill you when u have HIV!
gimp
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Well, technically, you have aids if you've had 2 or more aids defining illnesses in any given period and your CD4 is lower than 350. PCP is a major one, Kaposi's sarcoma is another, there are others, but, it really depends how long you've had the illness. Most people present to hospital with pneumonia and and find out it is PCP, which almost never occurs in non-hiv infected people. You'll be started on anti-retrovirals and the majority of people really see an increase in their CD 4 and CD 8 and a decrease in viral load (actual amount of hiv virus in your blood). Sometimes the viral load becomes undetectable, which is a good thing. The bad news is that the meds. are not always easily tolerated by many. They give you major nausea and if you don't drink tons of water the can give many kidney stones. I know this first hand 'cause it happened to me. I work as an RN and got stuck with an HIV infected needle and was required to take anti retrovirals for a month to prevent infection, luckily, the virus didn't infect me, but, the medication was really hard to stomach. As for AAS, yeah, not all docs will prerscibe 'em, but, be very honest with your doc and let him know what you've done in the past and what you plan on doing. He may not condone or prescribe them, but, he'll be able to let you know how they will affect you. Stay strong, you'll get through this.
Circuitboy
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Yes... I have done X and G in the past recreationally, actually did both right before I got sick, as well as being on a twelve week Fina/Winny cycle.... I've definatley put the club drug use to the side because I know it can kill everyone and I know that it kills people with HIV even faster..... thanks for the heads up though
And gimp.... I actually have three OI's I'm currently being treated for PCP, Herpes, and Thrush. All three are common OI's with HIV so from what you're saying I do have AIDS....
Until I get on my retroviral meds, I am currently taking Bactrim for my PCP, Valtrex for Herpes, Diflucan for Thrush, and something called Mycobutin to prevent other infections. I see my ID doctor on Monday so hopefully I'll get a cocktail then. I've heard alot about the side effects of the AIDS meds, I hope I can manage ok....I just don't wannna waste away at ANY COST !! That would be a death sentence for me mentally...I'm also scared about this lipodystrophy....how soon does that start and can it be managed with excellent nutrition and my regular resistance training.
And gimp.... I actually have three OI's I'm currently being treated for PCP, Herpes, and Thrush. All three are common OI's with HIV so from what you're saying I do have AIDS....
Until I get on my retroviral meds, I am currently taking Bactrim for my PCP, Valtrex for Herpes, Diflucan for Thrush, and something called Mycobutin to prevent other infections. I see my ID doctor on Monday so hopefully I'll get a cocktail then. I've heard alot about the side effects of the AIDS meds, I hope I can manage ok....I just don't wannna waste away at ANY COST !! That would be a death sentence for me mentally...I'm also scared about this lipodystrophy....how soon does that start and can it be managed with excellent nutrition and my regular resistance training.
gimp
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Then, sorry, yeah, you have aids, according to what I know. I don't wanna downplay it, but, aids is a state that is reversible, really if you haven't taken any anti-retrovirals in the past, you should bounce back. The problems start to arise when you stop and start therapy often, the virus mutates and won't respond to the meds. As for lipodystrophy ( irregular growth of fat), yeah, it can happen after long term treatment, I don't profess to be an expert, but, it seems to be a "genetic" predispotion thing, some are more affected than others, otherwise, it's not a ceratin side effect. Any idea on when you may have been infected? Oh, herpes is NOT an aids defining illness, many people have the herpes virus and have no symptoms at all, the hiv just brings it out some how.
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well u screwe yourself with X and G . X and G destroy your immune system, esecially when you are HIV +
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Why Are Intravenous Drug Users Getting Sick?*
Intravenous drug users (IVDUs) are the second largest risk group for "AIDS" in the U.S., and their illnesses are the easiest to explain. They have acquired AIDS-illnesses as a toxicological consequence of the heroin, cocaine, and other drugs that they have put into their bodies. According to the prevailing AIDS paradigm, they got sick because they shared needles, thereby acquiring HIV infection, which caused their illnesses. There are three problems with this hypothesis: 1) No study has ever been done to determine if all, or even most, IVDUs with "AIDS" diagnoses ever did share needles (most IVDUs, in fact, do not share needles), 2) the hypothesis ignores the harmful consequences of putting chemicals into the body, and 3) HIV is not pathogenic.
The clinical profile of an IVDU with "AIDS" is emaciation (wasting) and one or more lung diseases. And yet, for a hundred years, the classic profile of a chronic heroin user has been emaciation and lung disease. Heroin is bad for the health and bad for the immune system; on top of that, it suppresses the respiratory system. The consequences are tuberculosis or one or another form of pneumonia: emaciation and lung disease.
More than a decade before the first cases of "AIDS" were reported, the distinguished British epidemiologist, Gordon Stewart, was studying drug addicts in the United States. His team made the following observations:
They were often extremely emaciated, suffering from wasting diseases, various weird blood-borne infections with skin bacteria, Candida and Cryptococci, which would not ordinarily be regarded as pathogenic in their own right....We didn't find Kaposi's sarcoma and we didn't find Pneumocystis (carinii pneumonia) but, then, we weren't looking for it. [Quoted by Jad Adams in AIDS: The HIV Myth, New York, 1989.]
In his paper, "AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Noncontagious Risk Factors," Peter Duesberg cites many medical references that indicate: psychoactive drugs leads to immune suppression and clinical abnormalities similar to AIDS."
So then, IVDUs are getting sick in 1995 in the same ways and for the same reasons they were getting sick 86 years ago. The only difference is that now their illnesses are called "AIDS."
Intravenous drug users (IVDUs) are the second largest risk group for "AIDS" in the U.S., and their illnesses are the easiest to explain. They have acquired AIDS-illnesses as a toxicological consequence of the heroin, cocaine, and other drugs that they have put into their bodies. According to the prevailing AIDS paradigm, they got sick because they shared needles, thereby acquiring HIV infection, which caused their illnesses. There are three problems with this hypothesis: 1) No study has ever been done to determine if all, or even most, IVDUs with "AIDS" diagnoses ever did share needles (most IVDUs, in fact, do not share needles), 2) the hypothesis ignores the harmful consequences of putting chemicals into the body, and 3) HIV is not pathogenic.
The clinical profile of an IVDU with "AIDS" is emaciation (wasting) and one or more lung diseases. And yet, for a hundred years, the classic profile of a chronic heroin user has been emaciation and lung disease. Heroin is bad for the health and bad for the immune system; on top of that, it suppresses the respiratory system. The consequences are tuberculosis or one or another form of pneumonia: emaciation and lung disease.
More than a decade before the first cases of "AIDS" were reported, the distinguished British epidemiologist, Gordon Stewart, was studying drug addicts in the United States. His team made the following observations:
They were often extremely emaciated, suffering from wasting diseases, various weird blood-borne infections with skin bacteria, Candida and Cryptococci, which would not ordinarily be regarded as pathogenic in their own right....We didn't find Kaposi's sarcoma and we didn't find Pneumocystis (carinii pneumonia) but, then, we weren't looking for it. [Quoted by Jad Adams in AIDS: The HIV Myth, New York, 1989.]
In his paper, "AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Noncontagious Risk Factors," Peter Duesberg cites many medical references that indicate: psychoactive drugs leads to immune suppression and clinical abnormalities similar to AIDS."
So then, IVDUs are getting sick in 1995 in the same ways and for the same reasons they were getting sick 86 years ago. The only difference is that now their illnesses are called "AIDS."
gimp
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I don't agree with the above study. Heroin or opiates are NOT detrimental to your health. Proof? Many people with chronic pain require daily high doses of opiates via IM, IV or oral route. These people NEVER seem to develop "aids" like illnesses, when they are using clean, monitored doses of opiates. The reason why "junkies" get "aids" like illnesses is because,1. they are not using clean drugs. 2. they are not eating, sleeping and managing they're health as they should and that reduces the effectiveness of they're immune systems leaving them susceptible to oppurtunistic infections. The statement that HIV is not pathogenic makes absolutely no sense. Pathogenesis literally translated means "pathos" greek for illness or disease, genesis "birth of.. or begining of or a shitty band that phil collins played in". So saying that hiv is not pathogenic is bunk.
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Oh man I am sorry to hear about that. I would like to give you a little hope though. My friend was diagnosed with HIV like 5 years ago and he is still healthy as an ox. He has just started taking test and deca. He really did not have to but he wanted to get even more muscular than he is. He has not wasted away at all. He is undetectable. He gets his test/deca shots from the gay and lesbian centers there are programs that you can sign up for and you can get the medical attention you need for free. Another bit of good news is I know one guy who was diagnosed in the early 80’s and still has not come down with AIDS he is only HIV +. There is a book you can get called Built To Survive that I heard has some great information in there about how you can build your body to help you live with HIV. I would suggest that you stick to Test/Deca because that is what is working for my friend and I am sure you can get it from your Doctor now. My friend wanted to do FINA and I told him that anything home brewed would probably not be a good thing to stick in your body. Who knows how much bacteria is in there. Stick to the more sterile form of roids. Again, you might want to ask you doctor this because they will prescribe them to you. Good luck man. If you ever need an ear to talk to shoot me a PM I know a lot about what you are going through not because I have HIV but I dated my friend who has it.
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