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indy69camaro said:
very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??


I think you are getting my drift... :p
 
indy69camaro said:
Ok say when you cycle without test, what ai's do you use and at what doesages....eq does arimotase, at approx 50% of the rate of testosterone, so someting wold be needed to stay dray and veiny as said. How have you handled this an eq no test cycle.

I have always ran eq with something. My first cycle was eq/winny. Absolutely a great cycle. The only thing I ran was nolva afterwards for pct. Usually, it doesn't arimotise as badly as test, I wouldn't even say 50% noticeable bloat, more like about 25% of test. When I use test, i bloat, and I bloat big time, even when running arimidex 1mg e0d throughout the cycle starting at week 3.

But, my first cycle at 400mgs a week 1-12, winny 50 ed 6-12, I probably had a small amount of bloat..I mean, hardly anything. My last eq cycle consisted of eq 500 a week 1-12, 1-4 ot 40ed, and 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week and didn't run any arimotase during the cycle except pct hcg and nolva.

The catch with eq is that the higher you run it at, the more negative sides you'll get like high bp due to rbc multiplying and less sleep. Sure you'll gain a few more pounds, but if your goal is only to look hard as a robot and veiny as hell, use 400-600 and you'll be fine. Some suggest running proviron throughout the cycle for bloat (minimal) and added hardness, etc. I personally have never ran proviron, so I can't speak from experience there.

If this is your first eq cycle, just run it at 400 or 500 for the first 8 weeks. Let your body adjust to it - check out the sides. For me, sleep is sometimes difficult. If you are not having any sides by week 8-10, increase it to 500-600 for the remainder of your cycle.

I have to admit, from personal use and experience, eq is always hard to recover from - nut size etc if you don't have any hcg on hand. Hcg is hard to get - but if you have it, then start running it at the end of your cycle with your pct and your naddies should come back fine, but be aware, your bp might be a tad on the high side for a few months also due to the increase in rbc.


I have ran primo in the past and i bloated more on primo at 400mgs a week than I did on eq at 600. Muscle retention for me was about the same, but the eq is always the king of hardness esp. comparing it to primo. Primo made my muscles hard, but not like eq after a 12 week cycle. My source told me a long time ago, in his opinion, eq at 400mgs is like running primo at 800mgs and for the bang for the buck, eq will always win. I personally found this to be true.

Between Oral Turinabol and Eq, it's a hard one for me to decide which I love the most, since both give great pumps, intense workouts...but if i had to decide, probably eq cuz it lasts longer in your system (ot's effectiveness fades out after week 5) and the veins are better looking..that's why, i run both together now.. if you want ultimate hardness go with the ot/eq cycle.... but..eq by itself is also pretty good.. :)
 
current cycle (week 3)

prop - 100mg/eod 1-4
eq - 600mg/ew 1-14
enth - 750mg/ew 1-14
fina - 75mg/ed 6-14

I let you guys know how this one goes :)
 
indy69camaro said:
Ok say when you cycle without test, what ai's do you use and at what doesages....eq does arimotase, at approx 50% of the rate of testosterone, so someting wold be needed to stay dray and veiny as said. How have you handled this an eq no test cycle.

INDY - NEVER SACRIFICE YOUR TEST!

I understand that it may keep you from looking as veiny because of bloat but remember the purpose of the cycle is to bulk – not to look veiny. If you really want a hard, dry look at the end I would suggest something similar to what I’m getting ready to run. I’m running deca rather than eq and I’m not quite up to the doses you are but if having that dry hard look at the end is important to you, I’d run something similar to this:

1-6 D-bol 50mg+/ed
1-15 EQ 800mg/ew
1-15 Test-E 800mg/ew
15-20 Tren-ace 100mg/ed
15-20 Winny 50mg+/ed
15-20 Test-prop 100mg/ed
15-20 Proviron 50mg/ed
1-20 Aromasin 20mg/ed

If you want to you could even throw in a clen/t3 stack that last 6wks (15-20) for extra leanness! If you do I’d just run the clen all 6 wks and get my benedryl in on the 3rd and 6th week!
 
indy69camaro said:
Well I am a fan of that as well, over the years it seems almost like I have built a tolerance so to speak, not just needing more gear to accomodate more weight I have put on, but seems like sensitivity has dropped. It is the input I am looking for on those that have dropped other doseages vs. leaving the same while using EQ, like to hear pro's and con's others have had on this. 15 weeks sounds about perfect as I know eq is abit slower than deca and most others.

thanks for the input, 800mg/week with a gram of test should do a body good :) have you needed to raise your anti e's by doing this since eq arimotases at about 50% of what test does ??


I am very sensitive to aromatization. Letrozole is pretty much a MUST for me on any cycle with any test. So with letro in there nothing really has a chance ya know. I think 1g test and 800mg eq is a pretty kick as stack myself, well for someone with some experience like yourself anyways.
 
sparetire said:
thought you haven't injected yet bro? :)

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

I would tend to agree with spare here, as my previous cycles of EQ were in the 400 range and I did respond bigtime. One thing I have not seen mentioned (if it even matters to you indy since you are bulking) is the common complaint guys have about cardio issues when EQ doses get high. With the increased RBC, a cutter would be hindered, but it might have a negative effect on your bulker as well. Just something else to throw into the mix.

Regardless, I am a BIG fan of EQ. I et little or no sides, the recovery has always been easy and the gains feel more quality. My joints feel great on EQ and I look good and get better as the cycle gooes along with no water weight to deal with. EQ is my favorite hands down.

Good luck with whatever you run bro!
 
indy69camaro said:
very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??

Frigin eh man.......you could bulk on that just sitting there.
 
sparetire said:
I have always ran eq with something. My first cycle was eq/winny. Absolutely a great cycle. The only thing I ran was nolva afterwards for pct. Usually, it doesn't arimotise as badly as test, I wouldn't even say 50% noticeable bloat, more like about 25% of test. When I use test, i bloat, and I bloat big time, even when running arimidex 1mg e0d throughout the cycle starting at week 3.

But, my first cycle at 400mgs a week 1-12, winny 50 ed 6-12, I probably had a small amount of bloat..I mean, hardly anything. My last eq cycle consisted of eq 500 a week 1-12, 1-4 ot 40ed, and 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week and didn't run any arimotase during the cycle except pct hcg and nolva.

The catch with eq is that the higher you run it at, the more negative sides you'll get like high bp due to rbc multiplying and less sleep. Sure you'll gain a few more pounds, but if your goal is only to look hard as a robot and veiny as hell, use 400-600 and you'll be fine. Some suggest running proviron throughout the cycle for bloat (minimal) and added hardness, etc. I personally have never ran proviron, so I can't speak from experience there.

If this is your first eq cycle, just run it at 400 or 500 for the first 8 weeks. Let your body adjust to it - check out the sides. For me, sleep is sometimes difficult. If you are not having any sides by week 8-10, increase it to 500-600 for the remainder of your cycle.

I have to admit, from personal use and experience, eq is always hard to recover from - nut size etc if you don't have any hcg on hand. Hcg is hard to get - but if you have it, then start running it at the end of your cycle with your pct and your naddies should come back fine, but be aware, your bp might be a tad on the high side for a few months also due to the increase in rbc.


I have ran primo in the past and i bloated more on primo at 400mgs a week than I did on eq at 600. Muscle retention for me was about the same, but the eq is always the king of hardness esp. comparing it to primo. Primo made my muscles hard, but not like eq after a 12 week cycle. My source told me a long time ago, in his opinion, eq at 400mgs is like running primo at 800mgs and for the bang for the buck, eq will always win. I personally found this to be true.

Between Oral Turinabol and Eq, it's a hard one for me to decide which I love the most, since both give great pumps, intense workouts...but if i had to decide, probably eq cuz it lasts longer in your system (ot's effectiveness fades out after week 5) and the veins are better looking..that's why, i run both together now.. if you want ultimate hardness go with the ot/eq cycle.... but..eq by itself is also pretty good.. :)

good post sparetire. I was suprised to read you had hard recoveries from EQ as mine were quite easy. I am currently looking at an EQ/Proviron only cycle, should be interesting.
I am glad you are helping Indy out; he is an EQ virgin. *snicker*
 
black sheep said:
I did 750 Test / 800 EQ. I started at 1000mg test / 1000 mg EQ but was having some issues breathing. I dropped to 800 and it went away.

I was very veiny while using it, but to be honest I was not big on EQ. It also took me quite some time for RBC count to come back into normal range (10 weeks post cycle)

Personnaly I got better results at the same dosage of Primo.

I have to agree. I have used eq in numerous cycles and I would say in my experience the benefit of adding eq to a cycle is the increased vascularity. Therefore in a bulk cycle where you will have some water and fat retention I wouldn't think it would be so great. I had better results with 800mg primo compared to 600mg eq. Although the dosage is a little higher with the primo, the results were far superior. Much better pumps in the gyms, cartoonish muscle gains in the delts and arms, calves etc.

If you do want to use it, I would say 12 week is when the gains stop with eq unless you increase the dosage. Stay below 800mg ew, and definetly keep the test dose above 500mg as they seem to be very synergistic.
 
Vascular Freak said:
I have to agree. I have used eq in numerous cycles and I would say in my experience the benefit of adding eq to a cycle is the increased vascularity. Therefore in a bulk cycle where you will have some water and fat retention I wouldn't think it would be so great. I had better results with 800mg primo compared to 600mg eq. Although the dosage is a little higher with the primo, the results were far superior. Much better pumps in the gyms, cartoonish muscle gains in the delts and arms, calves etc.

If you do want to use it, I would say 12 week is when the gains stop with eq unless you increase the dosage. Stay below 800mg ew, and definetly keep the test dose above 500mg as they seem to be very synergistic.


i disagree, i feel the gains don't really start kicking with eq until about week 10, my last run i ran it 20 weeks. so the gains definitely don't stop at week 12, and i feel most here will agree with that
 
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