Favorite EQ Stack

[Indy]

Good bro's I' m planning a winter cycle to start this fall and have never used EQ for a cycle in the past. Familiar with how it works and all that jazz as most of you know, I've been around gear for quite awhile. Looking for input from bro's with good history on EQ cycles, particuarly for bulking. Have you done more than 600mg/week on EQ and if so was it set off by lowering test doseages you would normally do during a bulking cycle, and what other gear besides test did you have best luck with in and EQ stack. Just finished my first Tren cycle, and doing an EQ cycle would mean I have tried just about everything now, looking for some straight input, would like to start in September and run a nice long cycle, most likely greater than 10 weeks. I have EQ in 400mg/ml doses and looking to replace Deca in my normal fall cycle. For some reason I am very prone to gyno now with Deca, even at lower doses, can do a gram of test with no gyno, but deca seems to set me off.....
Any positive input appreciated as always.

 

[drrman]

800mg/week i've found is an optimum dosage, and run it at least 15 weeks

i wouldn't lower the test dosages either....but then again im a fan of higher dosages

 

[H_T_]

interesting, cuz if i ran EQ @600 ew, i'd be getting close to 2 grams a week worth of gear. a bit much for me....

 

[black sheep]

I did 750 Test / 800 EQ. I started at 1000mg test / 1000 mg EQ but was having some issues breathing. I dropped to 800 and it went away.

I was very veiny while using it, but to be honest I was not big on EQ. It also took me quite some time for RBC count to come back into normal range (10 weeks post cycle)

Personnaly I got better results at the same dosage of Primo.

 

[Indy]

800mg/week i've found is an optimum dosage, and run it at least 15 weeks

i wouldn't lower the test dosages either....but then again im a fan of higher dosages

Well I am a fan of that as well, over the years it seems almost like I have built a tolerance so to speak, not just needing more gear to accomodate more weight I have put on, but seems like sensitivity has dropped. It is the input I am looking for on those that have dropped other doseages vs. leaving the same while using EQ, like to hear pro's and con's others have had on this. 15 weeks sounds about perfect as I know eq is abit slower than deca and most others.

thanks for the input, 800mg/week with a gram of test should do a body good have you needed to raise your anti e's by doing this since eq arimotases at about 50% of what test does ??

 

[H_T_]

what exactly are the bennies of EQ? i never got much from mine, although i only ran it @ 400mg weekly....

 

[ILOVEMYWIFE]

600mg Eq Week For 14 Weeks Along With 400mg Week Test E.
Works Like Magic.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I know what you mean about feeling like you just need more. Sad it has to be that way. I get sick of pushing all this oil into myself! I sometimes feel like enough is enough. But then of course I'm always back again.

My favorite eq stack was 500mgs of eq with a gram of test for 12 weeks. It was great, I had veins everywhere and I was gaining weekly. I was also able to eat like a horse after a while.

You should see if Huck would chime in this thread. He laid out my first cycle with eq in it about 5 years ago. I loved it ever since.

 

[OMEGA]

EQ 400
Test 300
Deca 200

 

[DieselGunz]

600eq is about as low as you want to go.

 

[H_T_]

I know what you mean about feeling like you just need more. Sad it has to be that way. I get sick of pushing all this oil into myself! I sometimes feel like enough is enough. But then of course I'm always back again.

My favorite eq stack was 500mgs of eq with a gram of test for 12 weeks. It was great, I had veins everywhere and I was gaining weekly. I was also able to eat like a horse after a while.

You should see if Huck would chime in this thread. He laid out my first cycle with eq in it about 5 years ago. I loved it ever since.

that sounds like a great "let my ass and delts recover from pin wounds" stack.

 

[gautho]

Test prop/tren ace/EQ prop/tren 100mg/day EQ 800mg/wk

 

[marvelous54]

Good bro's I' m planning a winter cycle to start this fall and have never used EQ for a cycle in the past. Familiar with how it works and all that jazz as most of you know, I've been around gear for quite awhile. Looking for input from bro's with good history on EQ cycles, particuarly for bulking. Have you done more than 600mg/week on EQ and if so was it set off by lowering test doseages you would normally do during a bulking cycle, and what other gear besides test did you have best luck with in and EQ stack. Just finished my first Tren cycle, and doing an EQ cycle would mean I have tried just about everything now, looking for some straight input, would like to start in September and run a nice long cycle, most likely greater than 10 weeks. I have EQ in 400mg/ml doses and looking to replace Deca in my normal fall cycle. For some reason I am very prone to gyno now with Deca, even at lower doses, can do a gram of test with no gyno, but deca seems to set me off.....
Any positive input appreciated as always.

Alright bro for your size and experience and especially for a bulking cycle I would definitely use some big dosages of bot the EQ and the Test to prevent any sexual dysfunction. I would also stretch it out long enough so I could kick start it with an oral, have 6 weeks off of the oral and close with an oral. I would definitely run some aromasin, aifm or dex with it. The following cycle would be optimal:

50mg+/ed - D-bol wks 1-6
800mg/ew - Test-e wks 1-16
800mg/ew - EQ wks 1-16
50mg+/ed - Win wks 13-18
20mg/ed - Aromasin

Just my 2 cents but that looks like a hell of a cycle to me!

 

[sparetire]

600eq is about as low as you want to go.

thought you haven't injected yet bro?

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

 

[H_T_]

thought you haven't injected yet bro?

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

shit. i would love to run some EQ right now after reading that. have ta wait a few weeks, but now my interest is peaked...

 

[DieselGunz]

thought you haven't injected yet bro?

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

not inject yet, but reading this i will run it at 400 and see how i feel, great post

 

[Indy]

I did 750 Test / 800 EQ. I started at 1000mg test / 1000 mg EQ but was having some issues breathing. I dropped to 800 and it went away.

I was very veiny while using it, but to be honest I was not big on EQ. It also took me quite some time for RBC count to come back into normal range (10 weeks post cycle)

Personnaly I got better results at the same dosage of Primo.

very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??

 

[Indy]

EQ 400
Test 300
Deca 200

doseages high enought to constitute a bulker ??? this is where one substance appears to offset the other and keeps the dose sizes in check. No anti e's out of normal for a cycle like that, good luck on that one ????? how did it go

 

[Indy]

Alright bro for your size and experience and especially for a bulking cycle I would definitely use some big dosages of bot the EQ and the Test to prevent any sexual dysfunction. I would also stretch it out long enough so I could kick start it with an oral, have 6 weeks off of the oral and close with an oral. I would definitely run some aromasin, aifm or dex with it. The following cycle would be optimal:

50mg+/ed - D-bol wks 1-6
800mg/ew - Test-e wks 1-16
800mg/ew - EQ wks 1-16
50mg+/ed - Win wks 13-18
20mg/ed - Aromasin

Just my 2 cents but that looks like a hell of a cycle to me!

pulled aside for serious investigation thanks bro

 

[Indy]

thought you haven't injected yet bro?

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

Ok say when you cycle without test, what ai's do you use and at what dosages....eq does arimotase, at approx 50% of the rate of testosterone, so something would be needed to stay dry and veiny as said. How have you handled this on an eq no test cycle ?

 

[black sheep]

very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??

I think you are getting my drift...

 

[sparetire]

Ok say when you cycle without test, what ai's do you use and at what doesages....eq does arimotase, at approx 50% of the rate of testosterone, so someting wold be needed to stay dray and veiny as said. How have you handled this an eq no test cycle.

I have always ran eq with something. My first cycle was eq/winny. Absolutely a great cycle. The only thing I ran was nolva afterwards for pct. Usually, it doesn't arimotise as badly as test, I wouldn't even say 50% noticeable bloat, more like about 25% of test. When I use test, i bloat, and I bloat big time, even when running arimidex 1mg e0d throughout the cycle starting at week 3.

But, my first cycle at 400mgs a week 1-12, winny 50 ed 6-12, I probably had a small amount of bloat..I mean, hardly anything. My last eq cycle consisted of eq 500 a week 1-12, 1-4 ot 40ed, and 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week and didn't run any arimotase during the cycle except pct hcg and nolva.

The catch with eq is that the higher you run it at, the more negative sides you'll get like high bp due to rbc multiplying and less sleep. Sure you'll gain a few more pounds, but if your goal is only to look hard as a robot and veiny as hell, use 400-600 and you'll be fine. Some suggest running proviron throughout the cycle for bloat (minimal) and added hardness, etc. I personally have never ran proviron, so I can't speak from experience there.

If this is your first eq cycle, just run it at 400 or 500 for the first 8 weeks. Let your body adjust to it - check out the sides. For me, sleep is sometimes difficult. If you are not having any sides by week 8-10, increase it to 500-600 for the remainder of your cycle.

I have to admit, from personal use and experience, eq is always hard to recover from - nut size etc if you don't have any hcg on hand. Hcg is hard to get - but if you have it, then start running it at the end of your cycle with your pct and your naddies should come back fine, but be aware, your bp might be a tad on the high side for a few months also due to the increase in rbc.


I have ran primo in the past and i bloated more on primo at 400mgs a week than I did on eq at 600. Muscle retention for me was about the same, but the eq is always the king of hardness esp. comparing it to primo. Primo made my muscles hard, but not like eq after a 12 week cycle. My source told me a long time ago, in his opinion, eq at 400mgs is like running primo at 800mgs and for the bang for the buck, eq will always win. I personally found this to be true.

Between Oral Turinabol and Eq, it's a hard one for me to decide which I love the most, since both give great pumps, intense workouts...but if i had to decide, probably eq cuz it lasts longer in your system (ot's effectiveness fades out after week 5) and the veins are better looking..that's why, i run both together now.. if you want ultimate hardness go with the ot/eq cycle.... but..eq by itself is also pretty good..

 

[obey]

current cycle (week 3)

prop - 100mg/eod 1-4
eq - 600mg/ew 1-14
enth - 750mg/ew 1-14
fina - 75mg/ed 6-14

I let you guys know how this one goes

 

[marvelous54]

Ok say when you cycle without test, what ai's do you use and at what doesages....eq does arimotase, at approx 50% of the rate of testosterone, so someting wold be needed to stay dray and veiny as said. How have you handled this an eq no test cycle.

INDY - NEVER SACRIFICE YOUR TEST!

I understand that it may keep you from looking as veiny because of bloat but remember the purpose of the cycle is to bulk – not to look veiny. If you really want a hard, dry look at the end I would suggest something similar to what I’m getting ready to run. I’m running deca rather than eq and I’m not quite up to the doses you are but if having that dry hard look at the end is important to you, I’d run something similar to this:

1-6 D-bol 50mg+/ed
1-15 EQ 800mg/ew
1-15 Test-E 800mg/ew
15-20 Tren-ace 100mg/ed
15-20 Winny 50mg+/ed
15-20 Test-prop 100mg/ed
15-20 Proviron 50mg/ed
1-20 Aromasin 20mg/ed

If you want to you could even throw in a clen/t3 stack that last 6wks (15-20) for extra leanness! If you do I’d just run the clen all 6 wks and get my benedryl in on the 3rd and 6th week!

 

[drrman]

Well I am a fan of that as well, over the years it seems almost like I have built a tolerance so to speak, not just needing more gear to accomodate more weight I have put on, but seems like sensitivity has dropped. It is the input I am looking for on those that have dropped other doseages vs. leaving the same while using EQ, like to hear pro's and con's others have had on this. 15 weeks sounds about perfect as I know eq is abit slower than deca and most others.

thanks for the input, 800mg/week with a gram of test should do a body good have you needed to raise your anti e's by doing this since eq arimotases at about 50% of what test does ??

I am very sensitive to aromatization. Letrozole is pretty much a MUST for me on any cycle with any test. So with letro in there nothing really has a chance ya know. I think 1g test and 800mg eq is a pretty kick as stack myself, well for someone with some experience like yourself anyways.

 

[rykertest]

thought you haven't injected yet bro?

I have to disagree with this statement. Everyone is different and everyone expects different results.

For me, 400-600 mgs of eq is the same. In fact, I even ran Eq as high as 800 and I didn't get anymore muscle as I would have with 400-500 mgs of eq.

If you add anything like a bulker to eq, you will lessen the benefits of eq which is absolute hardness and veiny and great pumps. I ran test and eq for 15 weeks and I was actually dissappointed at my eq results. Whenever I run eq at 400 - I'm hard as hell, and I love it. You'll gain about 10-15 pounds on eq and keep about 80% of it if your diet is in check. If You add test to along with your eq, your muscles will just simply not be as hard as they would by themselves. I would say, if you are already a big bro, run it at 500-600 for a 12 week to 15 cycle along with a cutter steroid like winny or OT. I ran it with OT and all I have to say is that it was simply the best. Ot at 40 mgs (yes you can run it up to 60 if you like) for the first 5-6 weeks will def. kick start your cycle. Eq will start to kick in around week 6-7 and and you'll def. start getting harder around week 7-8 and not to mention also, veiny as hell.

Honestly, from what I have heard from other bros (personal friends) they experience the same also - disappointment in eq whenever mixed with test. To me, just a waste.

If you aren't tren gyno prone (like me) try this:

weeks 1-15 eq 500
weeks 1-6 ot 40 (or 60) ed
weeks 6-12 Tren

and for a bonus toss some primo in as well (IM). But the above would build serious muscle, hard as hell...a recipe for a gym freak imho.

I would tend to agree with spare here, as my previous cycles of EQ were in the 400 range and I did respond bigtime. One thing I have not seen mentioned (if it even matters to you indy since you are bulking) is the common complaint guys have about cardio issues when EQ doses get high. With the increased RBC, a cutter would be hindered, but it might have a negative effect on your bulker as well. Just something else to throw into the mix.

Regardless, I am a BIG fan of EQ. I et little or no sides, the recovery has always been easy and the gains feel more quality. My joints feel great on EQ and I look good and get better as the cycle gooes along with no water weight to deal with. EQ is my favorite hands down.

Good luck with whatever you run bro!

 

[rykertest]

very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??

Frigin eh man.......you could bulk on that just sitting there.

 

[rykertest]

I have always ran eq with something. My first cycle was eq/winny. Absolutely a great cycle. The only thing I ran was nolva afterwards for pct. Usually, it doesn't arimotise as badly as test, I wouldn't even say 50% noticeable bloat, more like about 25% of test. When I use test, i bloat, and I bloat big time, even when running arimidex 1mg e0d throughout the cycle starting at week 3.

But, my first cycle at 400mgs a week 1-12, winny 50 ed 6-12, I probably had a small amount of bloat..I mean, hardly anything. My last eq cycle consisted of eq 500 a week 1-12, 1-4 ot 40ed, and 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week and didn't run any arimotase during the cycle except pct hcg and nolva.

The catch with eq is that the higher you run it at, the more negative sides you'll get like high bp due to rbc multiplying and less sleep. Sure you'll gain a few more pounds, but if your goal is only to look hard as a robot and veiny as hell, use 400-600 and you'll be fine. Some suggest running proviron throughout the cycle for bloat (minimal) and added hardness, etc. I personally have never ran proviron, so I can't speak from experience there.

If this is your first eq cycle, just run it at 400 or 500 for the first 8 weeks. Let your body adjust to it - check out the sides. For me, sleep is sometimes difficult. If you are not having any sides by week 8-10, increase it to 500-600 for the remainder of your cycle.

I have to admit, from personal use and experience, eq is always hard to recover from - nut size etc if you don't have any hcg on hand. Hcg is hard to get - but if you have it, then start running it at the end of your cycle with your pct and your naddies should come back fine, but be aware, your bp might be a tad on the high side for a few months also due to the increase in rbc.


I have ran primo in the past and i bloated more on primo at 400mgs a week than I did on eq at 600. Muscle retention for me was about the same, but the eq is always the king of hardness esp. comparing it to primo. Primo made my muscles hard, but not like eq after a 12 week cycle. My source told me a long time ago, in his opinion, eq at 400mgs is like running primo at 800mgs and for the bang for the buck, eq will always win. I personally found this to be true.

Between Oral Turinabol and Eq, it's a hard one for me to decide which I love the most, since both give great pumps, intense workouts...but if i had to decide, probably eq cuz it lasts longer in your system (ot's effectiveness fades out after week 5) and the veins are better looking..that's why, i run both together now.. if you want ultimate hardness go with the ot/eq cycle.... but..eq by itself is also pretty good..

good post sparetire. I was suprised to read you had hard recoveries from EQ as mine were quite easy. I am currently looking at an EQ/Proviron only cycle, should be interesting.
I am glad you are helping Indy out; he is an EQ virgin. *snicker*

 

[Vascular Freak]

I did 750 Test / 800 EQ. I started at 1000mg test / 1000 mg EQ but was having some issues breathing. I dropped to 800 and it went away.

I was very veiny while using it, but to be honest I was not big on EQ. It also took me quite some time for RBC count to come back into normal range (10 weeks post cycle)

Personnaly I got better results at the same dosage of Primo.

I have to agree. I have used eq in numerous cycles and I would say in my experience the benefit of adding eq to a cycle is the increased vascularity. Therefore in a bulk cycle where you will have some water and fat retention I wouldn't think it would be so great. I had better results with 800mg primo compared to 600mg eq. Although the dosage is a little higher with the primo, the results were far superior. Much better pumps in the gyms, cartoonish muscle gains in the delts and arms, calves etc.

If you do want to use it, I would say 12 week is when the gains stop with eq unless you increase the dosage. Stay below 800mg ew, and definetly keep the test dose above 500mg as they seem to be very synergistic.

 

[drrman]

I have to agree. I have used eq in numerous cycles and I would say in my experience the benefit of adding eq to a cycle is the increased vascularity. Therefore in a bulk cycle where you will have some water and fat retention I wouldn't think it would be so great. I had better results with 800mg primo compared to 600mg eq. Although the dosage is a little higher with the primo, the results were far superior. Much better pumps in the gyms, cartoonish muscle gains in the delts and arms, calves etc.

If you do want to use it, I would say 12 week is when the gains stop with eq unless you increase the dosage. Stay below 800mg ew, and definetly keep the test dose above 500mg as they seem to be very synergistic.

i disagree, i feel the gains don't really start kicking with eq until about week 10, my last run i ran it 20 weeks. so the gains definitely don't stop at week 12, and i feel most here will agree with that

 

[Vascular Freak]

i disagree, i feel the gains don't really start kicking with eq until about week 10, my last run i ran it 20 weeks. so the gains definitely don't stop at week 12, and i feel most here will agree with that

I guess in my case it is hard to contribute which of the drugs is doing what since I am using 4 compounds. All I know is that all the shit together is great....... and adding winstrol to it is just f*cking looney

 

[drrman]

I guess in my case it is hard to contribute which of the drugs is doing what since I am using 4 compounds. All I know is that all the shit together is great....... and adding winstrol to it is just f*cking looney

YES IT IS BRO....one of the best stacks of all time...fina/prop/eq/winny

 

[Vascular Freak]

YES IT IS BRO....one of the best stacks of all time...fina/prop/eq/winny

That stack you listed is the recipe for a greek statue. I saw 2 girls from my gym at the beach last week and they asked me if I could walk on water! They must have complemented five or six times.... I was loving it of course but played it off with the "utmost modesty"

 

[Indy]

I have always ran eq with something. My first cycle was eq/winny. Absolutely a great cycle. The only thing I ran was nolva afterwards for pct. Usually, it doesn't arimotise as badly as test, I wouldn't even say 50% noticeable bloat, more like about 25% of test. When I use test, i bloat, and I bloat big time, even when running arimidex 1mg e0d throughout the cycle starting at week 3.

But, my first cycle at 400mgs a week 1-12, winny 50 ed 6-12, I probably had a small amount of bloat..I mean, hardly anything. My last eq cycle consisted of eq 500 a week 1-12, 1-4 ot 40ed, and 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week and didn't run any arimotase during the cycle except pct hcg and nolva.

The catch with eq is that the higher you run it at, the more negative sides you'll get like high bp due to rbc multiplying and less sleep. Sure you'll gain a few more pounds, but if your goal is only to look hard as a robot and veiny as hell, use 400-600 and you'll be fine. Some suggest running proviron throughout the cycle for bloat (minimal) and added hardness, etc. I personally have never ran proviron, so I can't speak from experience there.

If this is your first eq cycle, just run it at 400 or 500 for the first 8 weeks. Let your body adjust to it - check out the sides. For me, sleep is sometimes difficult. If you are not having any sides by week 8-10, increase it to 500-600 for the remainder of your cycle.

I have to admit, from personal use and experience, eq is always hard to recover from - nut size etc if you don't have any hcg on hand. Hcg is hard to get - but if you have it, then start running it at the end of your cycle with your pct and your naddies should come back fine, but be aware, your bp might be a tad on the high side for a few months also due to the increase in rbc.


I have ran primo in the past and i bloated more on primo at 400mgs a week than I did on eq at 600. Muscle retention for me was about the same, but the eq is always the king of hardness esp. comparing it to primo. Primo made my muscles hard, but not like eq after a 12 week cycle. My source told me a long time ago, in his opinion, eq at 400mgs is like running primo at 800mgs and for the bang for the buck, eq will always win. I personally found this to be true.

Between Oral Turinabol and Eq, it's a hard one for me to decide which I love the most, since both give great pumps, intense workouts...but if i had to decide, probably eq cuz it lasts longer in your system (ot's effectiveness fades out after week 5) and the veins are better looking..that's why, i run both together now.. if you want ultimate hardness go with the ot/eq cycle.... but..eq by itself is also pretty good..

Great post, and great information, greatly appreciated for your time and insight, k to you bro !

 

[Indy]

I would tend to agree with spare here, as my previous cycles of EQ were in the 400 range and I did respond bigtime. One thing I have not seen mentioned (if it even matters to you indy since you are bulking) is the common complaint guys have about cardio issues when EQ doses get high. With the increased RBC, a cutter would be hindered, but it might have a negative effect on your bulker as well. Just something else to throw into the mix.

Regardless, I am a BIG fan of EQ. I et little or no sides, the recovery has always been easy and the gains feel more quality. My joints feel great on EQ and I look good and get better as the cycle gooes along with no water weight to deal with. EQ is my favorite hands down.

Good luck with whatever you run bro!

Great point, I was waiting for you to chime in, thanks for the insight, and great catch, I have heard that as well.

 

[Indy]

i disagree, i feel the gains don't really start kicking with eq until about week 10, my last run i ran it 20 weeks. so the gains definitely don't stop at week 12, and i feel most here will agree with that

WOW, I hope i have he patients to stay with it, I suppose that's where the drol up front will be fun

 

[rykertest]

WOW, I hope i have he patients to stay with it, I suppose that's where the drol up front will be fun

Each time I have run EQ I felt it really kick in at week 7.

 

[T-Matt]

Like I've always said..

800 EQ/wk
+600 primo/wk (I've noticed it has a great synergy with EQ and Masteron)
+600 masteron/wk or 500-700mg winny/wk
+500-1g of test/wk
+letro or AIFM
+proviron 50mg/d

=

One bad ass motherfucker!

T-Matt

 

[ALIN]

Good bro's I' m planning a winter cycle to start this fall and have never used EQ for a cycle in the past. Familiar with how it works and all that jazz as most of you know, I've been around gear for quite awhile. Looking for input from bro's with good history on EQ cycles, particuarly for bulking. Have you done more than 600mg/week on EQ and if so was it set off by lowering test doseages you would normally do during a bulking cycle, and what other gear besides test did you have best luck with in and EQ stack. Just finished my first Tren cycle, and doing an EQ cycle would mean I have tried just about everything now, looking for some straight input, would like to start in September and run a nice long cycle, most likely greater than 10 weeks. I have EQ in 400mg/ml doses and looking to replace Deca in my normal fall cycle. For some reason I am very prone to gyno now with Deca, even at lower doses, can do a gram of test with no gyno, but deca seems to set me off.....
Any positive input appreciated as always.

EQ really works its magic for me around 400-800mg wk. I did 1gram EQ cycle last year with NICE gains. Testosterone and EQ make great, simple cycle.

 

[little chris]

doseages high enought to constitute a bulker ??? this is where one substance appears to offset the other and keeps the dose sizes in check. No anti e's out of normal for a cycle like that, good luck on that one ????? how did it go

Diet Indy Diet, your a seasoned vet you should know this. If I had to do a bulker w/ eq it would be simple 600mgs of eq and 375mgs of test e. then ea t and eat and eat, then repeat.

Unless your competing for a strongman or something and strength is key then you don't need that much gear for a bulker. My bulkers are half of what my cutters are.

 

[marvelous54]

Diet Indy Diet, your a seasoned vet you should know this. If I had to do a bulker w/ eq it would be simple 600mgs of eq and 375mgs of test e. then ea t and eat and eat, then repeat.

Unless your competing for a strongman or something and strength is key then you don't need that much gear for a bulker. My bulkers are half of what my cutters are.

I totally disagree. I think the extra gear is much better used in a bulking cycle rather than a cutter.

In fact it makes no sense at all to go about your cycles in that fashion. Gear, for the most part, has a linear response. In other words the more gear you add the more weight and strength you gain, generally speaking (of course there are diminishing returns after the amount of gear is increased to a certain point). Therefore even and intermediate user should definitely be over a gram per week of total AS. Preferably 1.5>.

On the other hand our bodies react much more favorably to gear when we are in a calorie deficient state. Therefore we do not need as much gear while cutting.

I personally feel, after one reaches an intermediate stage, that in either a bulking cycle or a cutting cycle at least some type of test, a 19-nor and a dht based substance!

Just my 2 cents!

 

[little chris]

On the other hand our bodies react much more favorably to gear when we are in a calorie deficient state. Therefore we do not need as much gear while cutting.


Sorry bro but I humbly disagree. We may like the way our bodies look while on a calorie deficient state but gear does not act more favorably towards us. Look at most peoples cutter's they do twice the amount of gear than during the winter because of their calories being restricted. Whats the #1 reason why people bitch about "not getting big enough" usually because their not eating enough, which is why IMHO I think bulkers are easier and require less gear. Bottom line your need to eat to grow and the more you eat the more you'll grow. You can only grow so big while calorie restricting.

 

[krishna]

600mg/wk eq
375mg/wk tren e
25-50mg/day prov
2.5 mg/day bromo

Best stack I've ever been on....period

 

[uglyass]

very interesting, I have enough primo to last 2 lifetimes, have never used it as a bulker, thinking 1g/week primo plus 1g/week test E kicked off with 4 week of abombs cold be a killer bulker ? that what I am hearing ??

Close. Swap the abombs for dbol and run it 6 weeks.

Test E 1-12 1g/week
Primo/EQ 600-800mg/week - I prefer 1g/week.
Dbol 60mg ED

I have run very close to that and it was sweet. Actually, most of my cycles look like that but with Deca or Tren replacing the Primo/EQ lol If it's a bulker use the primo up, if it's just a pretend bulker lol then use EQ

Either way, enjoy! lol

UglyASS

 

[marvelous54]

Bro I'm not trying to debate with you it is a medical fact that our bodies are more sensitive to gear when we ar in a calorie deficient state (In fact that is true with almost any drug).

You are right most people include more "compounds" in their cutters but in my honest opinion the dosage doesn't need to be as high.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Fav cycle with Eq is by far
T-Bol for weeks 1-5
Test for weeks 1-12
Eq for weeks 1-12
Tren Ace for weeks 5-14
Clomid for my PCT
Anastrozole at 1mg/Day through out

M18

 

[Indy]

Like I've always said..

800 EQ/wk
+600 primo/wk (I've noticed it has a great synergy with EQ and Masteron)
+600 masteron/wk or 500-700mg winny/wk
+500-1g of test/wk
+letro or AIFM
+proviron 50mg/d

=

One bad ass motherfucker!

T-Matt

sure is, almost as bad as that avatar

 

[marvelous54]

Indy,

Good luck with that cycle bro. I'm stoked about starting mine. Probably start in another 2 weeks. You?

 

[Indy]

Indy,

Good luck with that cycle bro. I'm stoked about starting mine. Probably start in another 2 weeks. You?

Probably 2 weeks here also, thanks to you and everyone for the input, diet and training are fine, although I might take the next week off but being EQ is new for me, I am like a kid in the candy store, been hung up on primo for quite some time and want to try something new, sounds like if I get some winny I'll be set.

thanks again guys,

 

[little chris]

I'm a primo fan myself bro you that but eq is a nice change more bang for your buck in my opinion.

Marvelous 54- its all good bud debating is what this board is about, I'm just speaking from my own personal experiences.

 

[marvelous54]

I'm a primo fan myself bro you that but eq is a nice change more bang for your buck in my opinion.

Marvelous 54- its all good bud debating is what this board is about, I'm just speaking from my own personal experiences.

I understand your point of view. I guess I used a porr choice of words I didn't necessarily mean "debate", what I meant to say was I didn't mean to offend you. The thing about scientifice facts is that we are all still individuals and our bodies truly act... individually (sounded a lil like austin powers there).

So is medical science actually a science at all?

 

[DieselGunz]

wow awesome thread, deff saved

 

[RADAR]

Indy My Fav with EQ was
Dbol-wk1-4
Test Cyp,or eth-800mg wk 1-16wks
EQ 600 wk 1-16 wks
Tren Ace 11-16 wks
Winny 11-16 wks.

I gained alot then used the last few weeks to cut

RADAR

 

[sparetire]

good post sparetire. I was suprised to read you had hard recoveries from EQ as mine were quite easy. I am currently looking at an EQ/Proviron only cycle, should be interesting.
I am glad you are helping Indy out; he is an EQ virgin. *snicker*

I have always had hard recoveries from any cycle that is ran long. I guess with eq, one can drag their cycle out longer as I have for 12-17 weeks and being shut down that long, I tend to forget how long it takes for my normal test to return and my natties to get back to normal size. It usually seems like 3 months. If I run a short 5 week cycle, my nads start to get smaller, but in 4 weeks, their back to norm..I don't have hcg on hand always so it's harder to bring them back..

and yes...I love helping someone in popping their own eq cherry Dieselgunz has an eq cherry that's tight as a cheer leader on prom night..and oh yeah, it's gonna pop and it's gonna pop hard when he plunges that 500mg eq shot in his body

rofl

 

[DieselGunz]

I have always had hard recoveries from any cycle that is ran long. I guess with eq, one can drag their cycle out longer as I have for 12-17 weeks and being shut down that long, I tend to forget how long it takes for my normal test to return and my natties to get back to normal size. It usually seems like 3 months. If I run a short 5 week cycle, my nads start to get smaller, but in 4 weeks, their back to norm..I don't have hcg on hand always so it's harder to bring them back..

and yes...I love helping someone in popping their own eq cherry Dieselgunz has an eq cherry that's tight as a cheer leader on prom night..and oh yeah, it's gonna pop and it's gonna pop hard when he plunges that 500mg eq shot in his body

rofl

LMAO!!!!!!! thanx for all your help it is deff appreciated!!!!