expectations

[stevesmi]

bro you can throw a hissy fit all day but deca should not be run for a first cycle. you don't have a clue how to prevent progesterone problems, you are gonna regret not listening to this a month or two after cycle when your dick doesn't work and you grow boobs.

now go ahead and insult me too if that makes you feel better about your plan. fact is there isn't a single person on here who i would ever advise to run deca for a first cycle, i don't care even if they can map the entire pig genome or have flown on the space shuttle. all the knowledge in the world isn't equivalent to experience.

first cycle run some test only for 10 weeks.. get your feet wet. see how it goes. save the deca for a much later on and personally i would never run the stuff again. recovery takes too damn long on it cause of the long ester and progesterone is very difficult to control.. seen guys run all the ancillaries necessary and still have estrogen levels 5X normal on the stuff.

 

[Thor45]

You did insult me by suggesting I "jumped into this" with out doing proper research...makeing the assumption that you know me...and I don't give a fuck who you "THINK" you are...it must have been awesome for you when you started out since you knew everything...its not that I don't like what im hearing I would like data to back it up since I am being told somthing completely different by a guy who weighs 240, is shredded and is a "expert"

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ your friend just stays on year round. his nuts are probably the size of raisinets and he probably cant get his dick up. of course he won't tell you that stuff, they never do.

if you want to cycle on and off correctly then stay the fuck away from deca. thats all i will tell you.

but hey go ahead and run it. just remember what I am telling you when you come off

what is your pct anyway? what ancillaries are you running on? your 'friend' left you high and dry on this.. know how i know? because we have guys post on here all the time who listened to a 'friend' who are now fucked up.. lucky for them they get the help they need quickly and are able to get things going in the right direction

 

[Thor45]

I am not throwing a hissy fit....appreciate the feedback...I am simply frustrated by being told so many polar opposite opinions....so this is where I started...tx

 

[Thor45]

He did say HE only comes of two months a year....originally I was only gonna do test like everyone says on here but he said that would be a waste....now perhaps you see my confusion and frustration with all the resrarch...and on here i have no way of knowing if a guy with his masters is legit (not meant to be insulting)....

 

[ballslee]

well you have a consensus here. I have my Masters, if that makes you feel better.

So just drop the deca, and only take test. Your friend is wrong about it being a waste. My most favorite cycle still to this day is my first cycle of test....it is like the world opens to you and you see heavens doors it feels so damn good! You can easily do whatever your goal is only on test.

You have multiple people here telling you what you should run "test" only. and if you don't believe us, do some google searches such as "beginner steroid cycle" or "1st cycle advice" and I GAURANTEE you that a majority of the posts will say to run test only. there may be a few outliers, but you catch our drift.

now as for your friend, Im not going to call him stupid. But for you, coming off for 2 months out of the year is terrible and can seriously have long term effects. Any cycle you take should be time on + PCt = TIME OFF.

now you obviously need a Post cycle and some ancillary guidance, and as long as you are respectful towards me i can help you with those too.
no need to insult people here, i learned that one just yesterday steve

 

[bigbassturd]

Your friend is wrong, it's as simple as that.

Test only for a first cycle, but damn sure not at 18% bodyfat...

Higher bodyfat leaves you open to more sides such as water retention from high estrogen levels, gyno (boobs) and blood pressure issues just to name a few.

List your PCT and cycle support so.we know where you stand there

 

[stevesmi]

He did say HE only comes of two months a year....originally I was only gonna do test like everyone says on here but he said that would be a waste....now perhaps you see my confusion and frustration with all the resrarch...and on here i have no way of knowing if a guy with his masters is legit (not meant to be insulting)....

isn't it funny how I told you that before you even responded. how did i know? CAUSE I SEE THIS SHIT ALL THE TIME.

your friend is just a juicehead and one day when he comes off his dick won't work and he will deflate like a balloon.

.. everyone on here is gonna try to give you the best advice.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Truth is, the boys are right but what you laid out would be fine in reality, most likely. This board has become very singular in its views over the years. That test dose is super light but you can definitely gain on it. The deca dose is something you might run for joint reasons, but I'd leave it out for mentioned reasons.

Few years back people would run deca/dbol for a first run and most folks loved it. its not ideal but clearly not a waste.

Elite still gives good advice they just aren't nice about it lol. I

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ the problem is everyday we get posts by people saying "my friend told me to take X and now I have Y problem" so it gets annoying after a while.

bottom line is don't listen to the juicehead at the gym who is on year round because he isn't putting his health #1... we are gonna tell you the healthy and long term way to use steroids. if you choose to do it the juiceheads way then that is up to you.. just don't come back in 3 months when your dick doesn't work and your progesterone is sky high and ask what to do and blame us for your mistake.. (seen this happen believe it or not from guys)