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Thor45

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Obviously my first time posting. I'm looking for an idea on what I can expect from my first cycle. Stats:
Height: 6' Weight: 235# Age:39
Diet 3150 cal lots of protien litte to no sugar..just enough carb's
Athletic build; currently about 18% BF, been hitting the gym for about 3 yrs on the reg, 8 yrs off and on..Starting my 3rd week of cycle below hitting gym 6 days a week 1 muscle group per day..1 hr weights everyday & 20 min cardio every other day
Taking 200 test e and 100 dec weekly for 10 weeks, pct for 2-4 week after as needed...I have read plenty of these threads to know everyone is different. Just looking to establish reasonable ecpectations. I know its low but starting with the less is more aproach due to it being my first cycle.

And please easy with the ball busting, I'm here for constructive feedback NOT bs & drama

Appreciate it!
 
you can expect to get a lot of shit for running deca as a first cycle... you can also expect to get a lot of shit for running doses that are not worth running... your test dose is a trt dose and your deca dose is so low that it might as well be flushed down the toilet because that's all its worth running it that way... your throwing your money away... no drama, no bs, just fact...
 
Trt dosage is 200 every 2-3 weeks??....I am having blood checked also to monitor levels and as I said first time...less is more aproach. Why is dec bad for first time though?
 
Its not that deca is bad for the first time..............well yeah it kind of is. I would hit with 450/wk of test......drop the deca...........when you run more than one compound your first round, you dont quite know where your sides might be coming from. And yeah at that dose that deca is NOT attributing to your gains whatsoever....maybe barely lubing up your joints. My opinion.
 
well he said he is already 3 weeks in.....since you already shut yourself down from the deca I wouldn't necessarily stop it. But you need to get more deca and run it 12-14 weeks. And up your test dosage to about 350/500mg...probably 350 to stay on the lower side. Deca is supposed to be used at 2mg x Bodyweight for maximum dosage. So I would say 4-500 for you, with 400mg being your best choice because of being on the lower side. You will need Caber to keep up with prolactin issues. Run aromasin 12.5 EOD to keep down your bloat.

deca is not really a best first choice because deca along with Tren are the two steroids that would be considered harshest, and shut you down the most. 19-nor are for more advanced users. With that said, you already started it so at least do it right. Some people may just say stop it and save it for the future. If you can't get more, then definitely do that. Because you will grow off of a good dosage of test. But at least you came here for advice.

For your PCT...
You need to wait 3 weeks after last deca shot
2 weeks after last test shot

so clearly, cut out the deca one week before the test.
then do this:

blast Hcg 1000IUs a week during those 2 weeks you are on nothing (substitute hcgenerate)

PCT:
Clomid 25mg agguys.com
PCT + Unleashed mrsupps.com
Forma-stanzol mrsupps.com
DAA power chews or powder

Optional:
Ostarine 25mg
 
its not a good idea to just jump into something that harsh as a first cycle... you never made mention of caber or prami for prolactin from deca? nor did you mention hcg? nor did you mention what type of pct?
 
18% bodyfat... You've started a cycle thats going to cause you to gain fat, and you're already fat... Your expectations, I think you'll see gains from the test but ultimately because of your bodyfat there's a strong chance you'll end up looking worse after this cycle.... The deca dosage is low enough to be worthless gains wise but high enough to shut you down hard and possibly cause sexual issues, with the layout you've given I seriously doubt you're using any caber or prami to stop that from happening, overall, bit of a mess man, it pays to do some reading before messing with your health....
 
I said about 18% and your statement that I'm already fat......good one. Now I know why I never posted on here before all a bunch of pompous arrogant pricks.....im done on here...Ballslee appreciate your comments and more importantly the suggestions to compare with my plan. Btw Dylan what do you weigh 150....please tiny.
 
Thor45 said:
I said about 18% and your statement that I'm already fat......good one. Now I know why I never posted on here before all a bunch of pompous arrogant pricks.....im done on here...Ballslee appreciate your comments and more importantly the suggestions to compare with my plan. Btw Dylan what do you weigh 150....please tiny.
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actually 195 at 5.7 % bodyfat... LMAO... and a masters degree... you go ahead an educate though... don't come looking for advice and then be a cry baby when you don't hear what you want to hear... everyone is trying to guide you in the best direction... if you don't like it, don't ask... as for insults... im the last one you want to insult... i never insulted you in any way... grow the fuck up... btw... i train to impress women, not bros... so i think by my feedback from them, im doing just fine... =)
 
bro you can throw a hissy fit all day but deca should not be run for a first cycle. you don't have a clue how to prevent progesterone problems, you are gonna regret not listening to this a month or two after cycle when your dick doesn't work and you grow boobs.

now go ahead and insult me too if that makes you feel better about your plan. fact is there isn't a single person on here who i would ever advise to run deca for a first cycle, i don't care even if they can map the entire pig genome or have flown on the space shuttle. all the knowledge in the world isn't equivalent to experience.

first cycle run some test only for 10 weeks.. get your feet wet. see how it goes. save the deca for a much later on and personally i would never run the stuff again. recovery takes too damn long on it cause of the long ester and progesterone is very difficult to control.. seen guys run all the ancillaries necessary and still have estrogen levels 5X normal on the stuff.
 
You did insult me by suggesting I "jumped into this" with out doing proper research...makeing the assumption that you know me...and I don't give a fuck who you "THINK" you are...it must have been awesome for you when you started out since you knew everything...its not that I don't like what im hearing I would like data to back it up since I am being told somthing completely different by a guy who weighs 240, is shredded and is a "expert"
 
^^^ your friend just stays on year round. his nuts are probably the size of raisinets and he probably cant get his dick up. of course he won't tell you that stuff, they never do.

if you want to cycle on and off correctly then stay the fuck away from deca. thats all i will tell you.

but hey go ahead and run it. just remember what I am telling you when you come off

what is your pct anyway? what ancillaries are you running on? your 'friend' left you high and dry on this.. know how i know? because we have guys post on here all the time who listened to a 'friend' who are now fucked up.. lucky for them they get the help they need quickly and are able to get things going in the right direction
 
I am not throwing a hissy fit....appreciate the feedback...I am simply frustrated by being told so many polar opposite opinions....so this is where I started...tx
 
He did say HE only comes of two months a year....originally I was only gonna do test like everyone says on here but he said that would be a waste....now perhaps you see my confusion and frustration with all the resrarch...and on here i have no way of knowing if a guy with his masters is legit (not meant to be insulting)....
 
well you have a consensus here. I have my Masters, if that makes you feel better.

So just drop the deca, and only take test. Your friend is wrong about it being a waste. My most favorite cycle still to this day is my first cycle of test....it is like the world opens to you and you see heavens doors it feels so damn good! You can easily do whatever your goal is only on test.

You have multiple people here telling you what you should run "test" only. and if you don't believe us, do some google searches such as "beginner steroid cycle" or "1st cycle advice" and I GAURANTEE you that a majority of the posts will say to run test only. there may be a few outliers, but you catch our drift.

now as for your friend, Im not going to call him stupid. But for you, coming off for 2 months out of the year is terrible and can seriously have long term effects. Any cycle you take should be time on + PCt = TIME OFF.

now you obviously need a Post cycle and some ancillary guidance, and as long as you are respectful towards me i can help you with those too.
no need to insult people here, i learned that one just yesterday steve
 
Your friend is wrong, it's as simple as that.

Test only for a first cycle, but damn sure not at 18% bodyfat...

Higher bodyfat leaves you open to more sides such as water retention from high estrogen levels, gyno (boobs) and blood pressure issues just to name a few.

List your PCT and cycle support so.we know where you stand there
 
Thor45 said:
He did say HE only comes of two months a year....originally I was only gonna do test like everyone says on here but he said that would be a waste....now perhaps you see my confusion and frustration with all the resrarch...and on here i have no way of knowing if a guy with his masters is legit (not meant to be insulting)....
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isn't it funny how I told you that before you even responded. how did i know? CAUSE I SEE THIS SHIT ALL THE TIME.

your friend is just a juicehead and one day when he comes off his dick won't work and he will deflate like a balloon.

.. everyone on here is gonna try to give you the best advice.
 
Truth is, the boys are right but what you laid out would be fine in reality, most likely. This board has become very singular in its views over the years. That test dose is super light but you can definitely gain on it. The deca dose is something you might run for joint reasons, but I'd leave it out for mentioned reasons.

Few years back people would run deca/dbol for a first run and most folks loved it. its not ideal but clearly not a waste.

Elite still gives good advice they just aren't nice about it lol. I
 
^^^ the problem is everyday we get posts by people saying "my friend told me to take X and now I have Y problem" so it gets annoying after a while.

bottom line is don't listen to the juicehead at the gym who is on year round because he isn't putting his health #1... we are gonna tell you the healthy and long term way to use steroids. if you choose to do it the juiceheads way then that is up to you.. just don't come back in 3 months when your dick doesn't work and your progesterone is sky high and ask what to do and blame us for your mistake.. (seen this happen believe it or not from guys)
 
Thanks all....frustrating as hell when you are willing to do whatever it takes but you can't figure it out...and for the record I did an actual caliper bf test today....came out to 14% (done at gym)....
 
By now you realized deca as a first cycle is a bad choice and the dosage your running is only good for joint benefits. The minimum deca dose for mass I'd run is 300 mg week with at least 500 test. Now that much test is a bit steep for a first cycle and you can make great gains off 250 mg week at first. My advice is to drop the decca and just continue on with test at 300 mg week for 12 weeks. If your at 18 % bf you should tighten up your diet. It's not that your fat but your bf is a little high. This is how I'd run the cycle.

1-12 test 300 mg week
1-12 adex 0.5 mg e3d
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 1000-2000 ius week

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Post cycle/ unleashed
Forma
Daa




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No sides yet...and I do not plan on being on 10mnths a yr!! I will stick with this only since I started it already...as for ancillary hcg & cabar and pct hcg & clomid I should be all set?? Coming off dec 2weeks b4 test also..
 
Thor45 said:
No sides yet...and I do not plan on being on 10mnths a yr!! I will stick with this only since I started it already...as for ancillary hcg & cabar and pct hcg & clomid I should be all set?? Coming off dec 2weeks b4 test also..
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doesn't matter that you started it.. it hasn't built up to peak levels yet. i would stop the deca now. just stick with the test.

take the deca back to your 'friend' and stuff it down his dickless pants and tell him I said that next time he shouldn't be giving out shitty advice to people
 
stevesmi said:
doesn't matter that you started it.. it hasn't built up to peak levels yet. i would stop the deca now. just stick with the test.

take the deca back to your 'friend' and stuff it down his dickless pants and tell him I said that next time he shouldn't be giving out shitty advice to people
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This is a good post lol
 
Your test dose is fine at 200mg. Its double a TRT dose which is 100 or so mg wk. NOT 200mg E3W. Whoever told you that is a retard.

You have the rest of your cycle to learn about PCT and get your shit together before its time. Drop the deca. Do some research on why deca is bad for a first cycle. You might have done some research but you got some bad info. Your "bro" thats helping you is going to do you more harm than good.

For the record when the experienced guys here see the same bullshit threads over and over and over it gets old after a while. So instead of coddling you and others they tell it like it is. Your attitude isnt going to get you anywhere. There is NO place on the net with more knowledgable people who will actually keep your health in mind when advising you on this subject. So do some searching and reading and learn.
 
dylangemelli said:
actually 195 at 5.7 % bodyfat... LMAO... and a masters degree... you go ahead an educate though... don't come looking for advice and then be a cry baby when you don't hear what you want to hear... everyone is trying to guide you in the best direction... if you don't like it, don't ask... as for insults... im the last one you want to insult... i never insulted you in any way... grow the fuck up... btw... i train to impress women, not bros... so i think by my feedback from them, im doing just fine... =)
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