Excessive Fat Gain on Cycle

[Wada7]

Hey guys, just an update from my original post on 5/15 Titled: (First Cycle Layout: please let me know what you think). Since then I've gotten considerably stronger and put on about 10 pounds. Only problem is I've put on a noticeable amount of abdominal fat as well...I've always had a raging metabolism and never really had to worry about fat gain, but recently I've been seeing it build up. Not on the rest of my body, but my stomach in particular. I haven't eaten quite as clean as usual considering that I'm on cycle and I need more food, but I still haven't been eating bad either.

An example of a day of meals for me is as follows:
-Breakfast: assorted fruits with almonds and a protein shake OR 3-4 eggs with a couple slices of bacon if i have time to cook
-After class: banana and peanut butter OR assorted fruit again
-Post Workout: Chicken, broccoli and white rice with protein shake
-Dinner: Chicken, broccoli and white rice
-Midnight snack: differs....

-Weekends: Cheat meals happen here, not even gonna lie...But I have NOT been drinking alcohol.

As you can see I really haven't been going overboard with my food so I'm clueless as to how I've put on this body fat...It's kinda pissing me off. My on-cycle support is Liquidex at half the recommended dose, could it be an estrogenic side because I'm not using enough LIquidex?

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Be more specific about your diet; for example, you say "banana and peanut butter OR assorted fruit again", are you eating 1 tbsp of peanut butter or 10? Give specific ratios and give me your stats.

 

[Wada7]

Enough peanut butter to eat with one banana, for every bite I'll put a spoonful on. so I'd say around 3-4 spoonfuls (spoon isn't that big). For assorted fruit I'd say a handful of blueberries, a handful of rasberries and maybe 6-8 oz. of watermelon. I'm 5'6 173 around 13-15% BF (based off looks), but like I said, it's weird because every area of my body has low BF except for my abdominal area. I started out before my cycle at 5'6 162 around 8-9% BF.

As soon as I get home I'll post before & after pics

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Enough peanut butter to eat with one banana, for every bite I'll put a spoonful on. so I'd say around 3-4 spoonfuls (spoon isn't that big). For assorted fruit I'd say a handful of blueberries, a handful of rasberries and maybe 6-8 oz. of watermelon. I'm 5'6 173 around 13-15% BF (based off looks), but like I said, it's weird because every area of my body has low BF except for my abdominal area. I started out before my cycle at 5'6 162 around 8-9% BF.

As soon as I get home I'll post before & after pics

You're still not providing enough information, give me a run down of your WHOLE diet before we go on. Every meal.

I've had clients who think they aren't eating a lot, end up giving me their diets which are 30% over BMR.

 

[Wada7]

Sorry about that, here it goes:

-Breakfast & After class: as I just listed, and when I include almonds it's a handful.
-Post Workout & Dinner: I meal prep for both these meals, so they are in the same size tupperware containers. Each container contains 1 plain chicken breast, 1.5 cups of white rice, then as much broccoli as I can fit. I'll occasionally put Boar's head honey mustard on top, but not all that much, maybe a couple squirts to make the chicken not taste like anus.
-Midnight snack: Protein shake sometimes, but honestly I usually do a packet of ramen with two eggs...I may have to cut this out...then other times a 3-4 egg omelet.

-weekends: at dinner time, I eat whatever. Burgers, pizza, etc.

-Supplements taken daily: Fish oil, milk thistle, vitamin D, GW(Cardarine), Liquidex, HCGenerate

The strange thing is, I've been eating like this for years and I didn't start gaining fat until I went on-cycle. Forgot to mention I'm 22 years old.

Also, by 1.5 cups of rice, I mean cooked rice, not 1.5 cups of dry rice.

 

[Wada7]

My training regimen is the Catalyst Athletics 12-week Traditional Olympic Lifting Program which is usually 5-6 days/week of olympic and power lifting, and I do regular gym workouts 2 days a week. Monday (Back) and Wednesday (Chest and Shoulders). On the weekends I play sports outdoors.

 

[EZ_E]

You said it yourself; "not eating as clean as usual"

"cheat meals happen on weekends" mealSSS?

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Sorry about that, here it goes:

-Breakfast & After class: as I just listed, and when I include almonds it's a handful.
-Post Workout & Dinner: I meal prep for both these meals, so they are in the same size tupperware containers. Each container contains 1 plain chicken breast, 1.5 cups of white rice, then as much broccoli as I can fit. I'll occasionally put Boar's head honey mustard on top, but not all that much, maybe a couple squirts to make the chicken not taste like anus.
-Midnight snack: Protein shake sometimes, but honestly I usually do a packet of ramen with two eggs...I may have to cut this out...then other times a 3-4 egg omelet.

-weekends: at dinner time, I eat whatever. Burgers, pizza, etc.

-Supplements taken daily: Fish oil, milk thistle, vitamin D, GW(Cardarine), Liquidex, HCGenerate

The strange thing is, I've been eating like this for years and I didn't start gaining fat until I went on-cycle. Forgot to mention I'm 22 years old.

Also, by 1.5 cups of rice, I mean cooked rice, not 1.5 cups of dry rice.

what are you running on your cycle now? it's possible there is a water retention issue, which you think is fat gain.

also, please clarify: "weekends: at dinner time, I eat whatever. Burgers, pizza, etc.". That can mean a lot of things, some pizzas are over 1500 calories, so this is a real issue.

 

[Zyglamail]

You need to accurately log food intake or your just guessing.

 

[Stevewc1]

Anytime you mix fats (eggs, nuts, peanut butter) and simple carbs (white rice, bananas) is never good. At the minimum, use complex carbs.

 

[Zyglamail]

Anytime you mix fats (eggs, nuts, peanut butter) and simple carbs (white rice, bananas) is never good. At the minimum, use complex carbs.

On the contrary, fat/protiens slow down digestion of simple carbs. Simple carbs alone cause the slin spike.

 

[stevesmi]

if you put on 10 pounds on a cycle do you really expect it to be all muscle? WRONG

its a combination of water, fat, and muscle.

after all is said and done if you can get a couple pounds of actual muscle that is a great accomplishment. I laugh when skinny newbs claim to put on 20 pounds or 30 pounds of muscle in 3 months...

bottom line is you are gonna put on fat on a cycle if the scale goes up, that is NORMAL. if you don't like it then don't juice

 

[RickRock13]

if you put on 10 pounds on a cycle do you really expect it to be all muscle? WRONG

its a combination of water, fat, and muscle.

after all is said and done if you can get a couple pounds of actual muscle that is a great accomplishment. I laugh when skinny newbs claim to put on 20 pounds or 30 pounds of muscle in 3 months...

bottom line is you are gonna put on fat on a cycle if the scale goes up, that is NORMAL. if you don't like it then don't juice

That's absolutely true. There are too many scale watchers out there, which is a terrible indicator of gains. Actual muscle tissue gained on cycle is much much less than people think, unless you are severely undersized and far below your genetic potential

 

[stevesmi]

and if you want to cut then run a sarm's stack and eat clean. you will lose fat.

so this should be your strategy OP. use steroids to BULK, and off cycle use sarm's to shred. this is what I do and it works well for me.

not everyone can run tren and shred up, if you have insulin sensitivity like I do you will always grow no matter what you do.. even if I run a calorie deficit I still gain on tren. strength and mass. use your strengths to your advantage instead of trying to fight things.

its actually funny I am on S4 right now and I am actually gaining strength and mass... and S4 is supposed to be a cutter. that's how my receptors react. its nuts.. but i'm not gonna bitch about it i'm gonna kill it and make those guys in the gym shit their pants when I bench 400+ and squat 600 in front of them

 

[Stevewc1]

I've never had luck mixing fats and simple carbs. Throws my body out of whack. Hi protein, medium fats (nuts, flax oil, natural peanut butter) and complex carbs ( yams, brown rice). And for me, no cheat day.

Using this method got me down to 4% BF, for the two shows I did. If I want to put on weight, I do the same, but increase the calories of the same foods. I maintain 9-10% BF, with minimal cardio, maybe 2 sessions a week.

 

[injfuel]

Where's the pics ? Everybody's always talking about posting pics but never do , and obviously your eating well over maintenance or you wouldn't be getting fat , people ask me for help all the time and their always un- truthful about their eating habits

 

[MaxxReps]

Anyone I know that is completely successful at managing their weight counts calories and macros, including myself. Its really just a numbers game and once you get a handle on your maintenance level its simple to adjust your diet to meet weight goals. Until then, as zyglamail said you are just guessing. Although things like meal frequency and carb composition/types do make a difference focusing on that stuff is less important IMO/IME.

 

[Wada7]

@EZ_E by cheat meals I mean that for dinner only, on saturday and sunday, I eat whatever I want. So that'll be a solid meal of whatever.
@injfuel I am posting pics below

The thing is, I have never counted calories or macros before because of my high workload/energy expenditure combined with my high metabolism. I've been training consistently since I was 14 and never put on fat like this, but now I know what being on cycle is like for me. I haven't been a scale watcher either, I'm going strictly by what I've seen happen to my body. I'm just listing my before and after weights to give you guys a baseline comparison.

Once again, thanks for taking the time to give me advice guys, I appreciate it.

The photos attached to this reply are Before Photos

 

[Wada7]

After pics:

 

[Wada7]

@Stevesmi: I'm assuming I'm insulin sensitive as well considering the weight gain I've had with the increase in simple carbs I've been eating. You said it best, I shouldn't be bitching about my strength gains. I'm going to cut out the majority of refined carbs in my diet now and go back to more of a Paleo approach like I had a while back. I'm going to try and get 70-80% of my carbs from veggies and fruits, with some sweet potatoes thrown in.

 

[stevesmi]

@Stevesmi: I'm assuming I'm insulin sensitive as well considering the weight gain I've had with the increase in simple carbs I've been eating. You said it best, I shouldn't be bitching about my strength gains. I'm going to cut out the majority of refined carbs in my diet now and go back to more of a Paleo approach like I had a while back. I'm going to try and get 70-80% of my carbs from veggies and fruits, with some sweet potatoes thrown in.

most guys don't get what its like being insulin sensitive.

the smallest amount of carbs gets partitioned into the muscles and gets stored as fat WHILE ON HORMONES!! and if you fail to get enough carbs guess what happens? you go hypo

so the solution here come off hormones.. run SARM's and GW.. and then watch yourself cut back up since you no longer have that partitioning going on.

 

[stevesmi]

After pics:

psssh.. you got plenty of room to bulk from here.

any who tells you that you are fat is just trolling you. you aren't stage ready lol but you got plenty of room from improvement.

 

[EZ_E]

Agreed......for not having diet dialed in you're doing well.....get your diet on point & you'll be golden.

 

[injfuel]

I agree , if you have goals in mind you really need to focus on your diet , not all food is productive to bodybuilding and not all food will make your muscles look the same , if you want to stay lean while adding muscle you need to add calories slowly so you need to have a grasp on your daily caloric intake

 

[Wada7]

Thanks for putting things into perspective guys, I'm going to clean up my carb sources and continue to bulk as cleanly as possible. My goals for this cycle are strictly strength/performance related. Although I admire bodybuilding and the discipline associated I'm not too big on my aesthetics, I was just kinda alarmed by the weight I was putting on so rapidly. Now I know the reality of insulin sensitivity haha...

When the time comes I'll update my original post (from around May 15th or so) with my half-way blood results and my post-cycle blood results along with my strength gains.

It's always nice to get advice from some veterans, appreciate you guys taking the time to give your two cents.