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snuffysmith
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Anyone doing / have done something similar? I'm looking to get on low levels of Test and HGH. From what I've researched, this would allow me to train at a higher volume and increase endurance and strength without adding weight or over training. After my crit stabilizes, I would build to a 55% level with EPO. After some research today, I was surprised to learn that guys were going from low 40's to high 40's with Test and HGH alone. My crit is 42.8 today.
Thoughts on this approach?
...about the EPO and crit, I would get a zipcrit and test at home.
This would be first cycle.
Test dosing would be something like 100 / 150 per week split into several subq doses. HGH would be 2-3iu / day increasing as competition ramp up starts. I'm working with a couple HRT Dr.'s. My plan is to compare their suggested approach to endurance specific guys who posted their Test + HGH cycles and see where that goes. I feel like when I see the same information on dosing in multiple places, it's legit. Dosing would be low because I'm mainly interested in recovering quickly to enable high powered aerobic capacity through more workout volume and increase RBC while still getting a little stronger ... things that just are possible without recovery enhancers.
My goals here are different than most typical forum users intentions, although more and more of people like me are hitting the forums. I'm in my mid 30's, 6'2" 210lbs with 8% bf and could really care less about any of those stats. Played college sports, drank beer, started CrossFit a little over 2 years ago. I'm concerned about performance, and performance is hard for me to explain unless you know what crossfit is, I will try ...
Here are some benchmarks:
Squat hamstring to calf 425#
Strict Press 195#
Deadlift 465#
Power Clean 295#
5K run 23 minutes
5K row 18:15
500m row 1:25
...but none of these really matter too much for the sport (as long as a person is strong enough to do the workout ...). It's more about how many reps can a person do at say 80% or 90% of their max before failure? For me, I have relatively high 1 rep max scores (for the sport), and am decent on single modality endurance, but I don't have as much strength / high power endurance as other people I'm competing against, especially when modalities are combined. Last year I added in an enormous amount of long slow distance heart rate based training in an attempt to really get after my aerobic capacity (crossfit blasphemy), and this has helped, but not to the point where I want to be. I would like to add more volume to get after this, but if I do, I would be training more than my body could recover. I do need to get a little bit stronger, but certainly not at the expense of endurance. You will see what I mean below.
So to be very specific, I'll give you workouts I did, where I scored, and where I needed to score to meet my goals for the sport.
1. 7 minutes, as many burpees as possible. I did 90 and needed 126 (ENDURANCE!)
2. 10 minutes of:
75 pound Snatch, 30 reps
135 pound Snatch, 30 reps
165 pound Snatch, 30 reps
210 pound Snatch, as many reps as possible
I did 74 reps (14 reps at 165) and needed 79. (Strong, need to be a little bit stronger, endurance would help here too)
3. Complete as many rounds and reps as possible in 18 minutes of:
15 Box jumps, 24" box
115 pound Push press, 12 reps
9 Toes-to-bar
I did 273 total reps (7+ rounds) and needed 378 (10+ rounds). (high power aerobic ENDURANCE)
4. Complete as many reps as possible in 7 minutes following the rep scheme below:
100 pound Thruster, 3 reps
3 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 6 reps
6 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 9 reps
9 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 12 reps
12 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 15 reps
15 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 18 reps
18 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 21 reps
21 Chest to bar Pull-ups...
This is a timed workout. If you complete the round of 21, go on to 24. If you complete 24, go on to 27, etc.
I did 73 reps (round of 12+) and needed 122 (round of 15+). (high power aerobic ENDURANCE)
Thanks for checking this out, and I hope this gives you the right perspective.
Snuffy!
Thoughts on this approach?
...about the EPO and crit, I would get a zipcrit and test at home.
This would be first cycle.
Test dosing would be something like 100 / 150 per week split into several subq doses. HGH would be 2-3iu / day increasing as competition ramp up starts. I'm working with a couple HRT Dr.'s. My plan is to compare their suggested approach to endurance specific guys who posted their Test + HGH cycles and see where that goes. I feel like when I see the same information on dosing in multiple places, it's legit. Dosing would be low because I'm mainly interested in recovering quickly to enable high powered aerobic capacity through more workout volume and increase RBC while still getting a little stronger ... things that just are possible without recovery enhancers.
My goals here are different than most typical forum users intentions, although more and more of people like me are hitting the forums. I'm in my mid 30's, 6'2" 210lbs with 8% bf and could really care less about any of those stats. Played college sports, drank beer, started CrossFit a little over 2 years ago. I'm concerned about performance, and performance is hard for me to explain unless you know what crossfit is, I will try ...
Here are some benchmarks:
Squat hamstring to calf 425#
Strict Press 195#
Deadlift 465#
Power Clean 295#
5K run 23 minutes
5K row 18:15
500m row 1:25
...but none of these really matter too much for the sport (as long as a person is strong enough to do the workout ...). It's more about how many reps can a person do at say 80% or 90% of their max before failure? For me, I have relatively high 1 rep max scores (for the sport), and am decent on single modality endurance, but I don't have as much strength / high power endurance as other people I'm competing against, especially when modalities are combined. Last year I added in an enormous amount of long slow distance heart rate based training in an attempt to really get after my aerobic capacity (crossfit blasphemy), and this has helped, but not to the point where I want to be. I would like to add more volume to get after this, but if I do, I would be training more than my body could recover. I do need to get a little bit stronger, but certainly not at the expense of endurance. You will see what I mean below.
So to be very specific, I'll give you workouts I did, where I scored, and where I needed to score to meet my goals for the sport.
1. 7 minutes, as many burpees as possible. I did 90 and needed 126 (ENDURANCE!)
2. 10 minutes of:
75 pound Snatch, 30 reps
135 pound Snatch, 30 reps
165 pound Snatch, 30 reps
210 pound Snatch, as many reps as possible
I did 74 reps (14 reps at 165) and needed 79. (Strong, need to be a little bit stronger, endurance would help here too)
3. Complete as many rounds and reps as possible in 18 minutes of:
15 Box jumps, 24" box
115 pound Push press, 12 reps
9 Toes-to-bar
I did 273 total reps (7+ rounds) and needed 378 (10+ rounds). (high power aerobic ENDURANCE)
4. Complete as many reps as possible in 7 minutes following the rep scheme below:
100 pound Thruster, 3 reps
3 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 6 reps
6 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 9 reps
9 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 12 reps
12 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 15 reps
15 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 18 reps
18 Chest to bar Pull-ups
100 pound Thruster, 21 reps
21 Chest to bar Pull-ups...
This is a timed workout. If you complete the round of 21, go on to 24. If you complete 24, go on to 27, etc.
I did 73 reps (round of 12+) and needed 122 (round of 15+). (high power aerobic ENDURANCE)
Thanks for checking this out, and I hope this gives you the right perspective.
Snuffy!
