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chewyxrage
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I thought I saw on the news that the DNA samples didn't match anyone from the team?
Confirm?
Confirm?
JuicedAthletics
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My buddies younger brother goes to Duke and he (along with many, many others) are leaving the campus for fear of their safety. He has driven home both of the past two weekends, and some of his friends are being pulled from campus because of threats.. There are mobs of townies outside the lax house at pretty much all times, also many other "frat" houses are being harrassed and vandalized as well..
It really shows the ethical standards by which some people live..
It really shows the ethical standards by which some people live..
mekannik
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slat1 said:
From what I have read medical examinations say there was trauma consistent with forced intercourse.
But just as damning as the lack of evidence (DNA) on/in her body, is the lack of HER DNA on the floor of the bathroom which would be consistent with a struggle and intercourse. Now wait for the "well they cleaned it all up" accusations to start flying.
Kakdiesel
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mekannik said:
where did you read that? i've read there is no trauma in her genital region, and note even latex (condoms) or lubricants (found on condoms ) traces on her. so no DNA, no latex, and she was beat up before she got to the party.
the D.A. has no case period. if he goes on with the case he will waste tax payers money
mekannik
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Kakdiesel said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/04/11/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html
A doctor and forensic sexual assault nurse examined the woman and found evidence consistent with a rape having occurred, police documents show.
slat1
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Attorneys: No DNA Match in Duke Scandal
Apr 10 9:13 PM US/Eastern
By TIM WHITMIRE
Associated Press Writer
DURHAM, N.C.
DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.
Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.
No charges have been filed in the case.
"There is no DNA evidence that shows she was touched by any of these boys," said Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains.
The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.
The Associated Press does not name alleged victims in sexual assault cases.
The allegations have led to the resignation of coach Mike Pressler, the cancellation of the lacrosse season and the suspension of one player from school.
The case also led to days of protests on and off the Duke campus, and some of the players have moved for safety reasons.
According to court documents, only lacrosse team members were at the party. Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators, who compared them with evidence collected from the woman.
Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested. It was not known whether investigators tested for DNA other than the players'.
Cheshire said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.
"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.
District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.
"I believe a sexual assault took place," Nifong told The News & Observer of Raleigh on Monday. "I'm not saying it's over. If that's what they expect, they will be sadly disappointed."
He would not comment about the results to the AP.
North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.
"The truth is if you speak to crime lab directors, they will tell you that in only a relatively small number of cases is there any DNA evidence," said Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the Innocence Project.
Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.
"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that _ and that's not here," Cheshire said.
Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case _ but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.
"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."
Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.
"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.
Apr 10 9:13 PM US/Eastern
By TIM WHITMIRE
Associated Press Writer
DURHAM, N.C.
DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.
Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.
No charges have been filed in the case.
"There is no DNA evidence that shows she was touched by any of these boys," said Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains.
The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.
The Associated Press does not name alleged victims in sexual assault cases.
The allegations have led to the resignation of coach Mike Pressler, the cancellation of the lacrosse season and the suspension of one player from school.
The case also led to days of protests on and off the Duke campus, and some of the players have moved for safety reasons.
According to court documents, only lacrosse team members were at the party. Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators, who compared them with evidence collected from the woman.
Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested. It was not known whether investigators tested for DNA other than the players'.
Cheshire said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.
"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.
District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.
"I believe a sexual assault took place," Nifong told The News & Observer of Raleigh on Monday. "I'm not saying it's over. If that's what they expect, they will be sadly disappointed."
He would not comment about the results to the AP.
North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.
"The truth is if you speak to crime lab directors, they will tell you that in only a relatively small number of cases is there any DNA evidence," said Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the Innocence Project.
Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.
"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that _ and that's not here," Cheshire said.
Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case _ but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.
"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."
Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.
"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.
Razorguns
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White people are such pussies.
When black people discuss this .. it's about "3 well-to-do white assholes, raping some poor black girl at a party. Watch them get off cuz they're white with rich parents".
When whites discuss it, afraid to upset anyone it's :
"it's about 3 players raping a woman. There's some black and white elements involved".
Total pussies in being afraid to say what is really on their mind.
When black people discuss this .. it's about "3 well-to-do white assholes, raping some poor black girl at a party. Watch them get off cuz they're white with rich parents".
When whites discuss it, afraid to upset anyone it's :
"it's about 3 players raping a woman. There's some black and white elements involved".
Total pussies in being afraid to say what is really on their mind.
chewyxrage
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When white people's power goes out they pan-ic.
When black people's power goes out they plan-it.
When black people's power goes out they plan-it.
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and shit like one tooKakdiesel said:
anabolicfreak
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big4life said:
Dude, what the hell are you talking about? The Duke players got in trouble for stupid, immature college shit like public intoxication, posession of alcohol underage, public urination, etc...same as any other fraternity at any campus. You have to be at the top of your class to even get into Duke in the first place.
And the virgin nun from the convent that made the allegations was ..... Wait a minute, she wasnt a nun, oh yeah, thats right, she was a stripper/escort/prostitute that showed up at the party fucked up and turns out she got arrested when she stole a cab from a customer, ran down a cop and blew over a .18 on the breathalyzer.
Do you see any red flags??
thewanderer690
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if the boys were truly racist they would have never hired a black stripper in the first place
slat1
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anabolicfreak said:
Did you see the forum on the topic. Students were saying "how come they don't refere to her as a mother or a student".
It made me think for a minute. Well, how come everyone is saying the Duke players are guilty. They are casting a shadow over the whole team when they have said its three of them. So lets just call them all rapists when at most three are... and that is if any are.
Why wouldn't they then call the "victim" a "convict". After all she did try to kill a cop. She is a drunk driver and a thief too. I wouldn't want anyone to bring up the fact that she is a mother if I was representing her and she did all that. You would think social services would take the kid.
It's a HATE CRIME HOAX. They happen on college campuses all the time.
The Duke incident – and the response – is strikingly similar to recent hoaxes at other universities. The following are just a few example:
• During the 40th anniversary of the integration at Ole Miss, two black students found racial insults scrawled on the doors of their dorm rooms: “F**g Nigger” and “F**g Hoe [sic] Nigger.” Similar messages turned up in other locations across the campus. Students organized a “Say No to Racism” march, and race activists demanded “programs and procedures” to instill racial sensitivity. A spate of national news coverage commented on how little Ole Miss had changed in 40 years.
When the perpetrators were found to be black students, Ole Miss chancellor Robert Khayat made it clear there would be no criminal charges, even though the students caused over $600 worth of damage and harmed race relations at the school.
• When a hate crime was reported last year at Trinity International University near Chicago there was a flood of indignation on campus. Students at the mostly white school wore yellow shirts to symbolize solidarity with blacks who had received a stream of hate mail. Jesse Jackson spoke on campus. Over 40 students were evacuated to an unnamed hotel for their own safety and security was beefed up at the college. Counselors were made available and students held prayer vigils.
But when the culprit turned out to be Alicia Hardin, a black student who wanted to transfer out of Trinity to be closer to her friends, the story-and the campus outrage-faded away. University president Greg Waybright even announced that he felt “a sense of relief” because the incident was “resolved.” He warned that the hoax should not reflect on any particular ethnic group.($link)
• Also last year, students at Wooster College in Ohio awoke to find swastikas and racist messages written on dorm walls. Angry protestors raged against “typical white males” until the writers of the slurs turned out to be a group of lefty students led by a black studies major.
• A similar incident happened at the University of Louisville in 2004. Students endured racial graffiti and racist fliers passed out on cars. Protesters held rallies and handed a list of demands to U of L president Jim Ramsey. The incident quietly faded away when black students admitted to passing out the fliers as a “prank.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5408
The Duke incident – and the response – is strikingly similar to recent hoaxes at other universities. The following are just a few example:
• During the 40th anniversary of the integration at Ole Miss, two black students found racial insults scrawled on the doors of their dorm rooms: “F**g Nigger” and “F**g Hoe [sic] Nigger.” Similar messages turned up in other locations across the campus. Students organized a “Say No to Racism” march, and race activists demanded “programs and procedures” to instill racial sensitivity. A spate of national news coverage commented on how little Ole Miss had changed in 40 years.
When the perpetrators were found to be black students, Ole Miss chancellor Robert Khayat made it clear there would be no criminal charges, even though the students caused over $600 worth of damage and harmed race relations at the school.
• When a hate crime was reported last year at Trinity International University near Chicago there was a flood of indignation on campus. Students at the mostly white school wore yellow shirts to symbolize solidarity with blacks who had received a stream of hate mail. Jesse Jackson spoke on campus. Over 40 students were evacuated to an unnamed hotel for their own safety and security was beefed up at the college. Counselors were made available and students held prayer vigils.
But when the culprit turned out to be Alicia Hardin, a black student who wanted to transfer out of Trinity to be closer to her friends, the story-and the campus outrage-faded away. University president Greg Waybright even announced that he felt “a sense of relief” because the incident was “resolved.” He warned that the hoax should not reflect on any particular ethnic group.($link)
• Also last year, students at Wooster College in Ohio awoke to find swastikas and racist messages written on dorm walls. Angry protestors raged against “typical white males” until the writers of the slurs turned out to be a group of lefty students led by a black studies major.
• A similar incident happened at the University of Louisville in 2004. Students endured racial graffiti and racist fliers passed out on cars. Protesters held rallies and handed a list of demands to U of L president Jim Ramsey. The incident quietly faded away when black students admitted to passing out the fliers as a “prank.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5408
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