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"Don't touch" Linux without legal guarantees (Sun Shakedown!)

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McNealy: "Don't touch" Linux without legal guarantees
infoconomy | 31 July 2003 | Dominic Tonner

31 July 2003 Scott McNealy, the chairman, president and CEO of systems vendor Sun Microsystems, has dramatically warned companies of the legal dangers of using open source software such as the Linux operating system.

Following on from SCO Group's threats to sue Linux users over its intellectual property claims, McNealy told an audience of UK businesses that they should steer clear of open source software unless their suppliers can offer insurance against such legal action.

"Don't touch open source software unless you have a team of intellectual property lawyers prepared to scour every single piece [of the open source code]. We offer indemnification, but many suppliers do not. A lot of companies are going to get very disappointed as we move forward. It will become a very challenging intellectual property issue," he told Sun's Technology Forum in St Andrews, Scotland, this week.

The warning came just a week after SCO began demanding licence fees from 1,500 of the world's biggest users of Linux. SCO, which is also suing IBM for allegedly stealing its secrets, claims that Linux contains code copied line by line from its System V version of Unix, the basis of its UnixWare operating system product.

IBM denies any wrongdoing, and many analysts have questioned the merit of SCO's case against it.

But companies nevertheless are being urged to delay Linux projects until the legal impasse is broken. "Don't ignore the problem by hoping IBM will win or settle its lawsuit, which could take a year or more. An IBM win would not prevent SCO from pursuing individual claims, which, if successful, could cost far more in penalties than buying a SCO licence would," advises George Weiss, a Gartner analyst.

Sun executives say their customers are growing increasingly alarmed by the chain of events. "I never got questions about indemnification before and now I am getting questions all the time," said John Loiacono, vice president of Sun's operating platforms group.

The warnings by Sun, which sells the proprietary Solaris version of Unix, will be seen by critics as fresh evidence of its seemingly lukewarm support for Linux. Although McNealy famously gave a speech to a Sun event last year wearing a penguin suit in honour of the Linux mascot, Tux the penguin, Sun has only begun selling Linux systems relatively recently and it will not license desktop Linux programs until later in 2003.

However, the Sun boss insisted he is firmly committed to Linux. "We are a huge proponent of open source software," he said, "despite all the hate mail I get from the open source movement."
 
Much like SCO, Sun stands to lose alot of money if Linux really takes off. McNealy would much rather sell you a copy of Sun Solaris than you download Red Hat for free. Price tags range from $249 for a two-processor system to $160,000 for 64-processor system. At the extreme end, it costs $400,000 to upgrade a 128-processor Solaris system such as Fujitsu Technology Solutions' Primepower 2000 or 2500.
Sun only tolerates Linux....they don't really want it to succeed. They were definitely nice to make StarOffice open source, but beyond that all bets are off.
 
Sun is ramping up a huge open source suite. And they're just trying to drive people to their suite.


Of course the open source suite they have coming on deck only work on their closed source hardware......
 
The world is beating a path to Linux because it's open systems,
and Sun has stated several times they had no plans to support Linux on Sun hardware,
their sales are tanking and the stock is taking a dive.
From where the market is headed, Sun has no future.
They're trying to scare people into thinking their proprietary operating system is the safe way to go.
Yea, right, if you want to be locked into Sun for single source the rest of your life.

The SCO legal challenge is going to go nowhere.
And even if it did, IBM would simply BUY SCO outright.
Trust me, they've done it before.
Do we have any Tivoli employees here? Lotus? Price Waterhouse? all IBM now.
 
Sun's real market is high end multiprocessor machines. Suns do up to 128 processors while Linux doesn't scale at all past 4 cpu's.........yet. It will and when it does Sun will pay dearly.
 
john937 said:
The world is beating a path to Linux because it's open systems,
and Sun has stated several times they had no plans to support Linux on Sun hardware,
their sales are tanking and the stock is taking a dive.
From where the market is headed, Sun has no future.
They're trying to scare people into thinking their proprietary operating system is the safe way to go.
Yea, right, if you want to be locked into Sun for single source the rest of your life.

Hmm, is this why sun just released their own linux distro?
 
Dial_tone said:
Sun's real market is high end multiprocessor machines. Suns do up to 128 processors while Linux doesn't scale at all past 4 cpu's.........yet. It will and when it does Sun will pay dearly.

IBM is also running Linux on high end machines, with the machine partitioned into smaller "virtual" boxes called an LPAR logical partition.
That way the huge machine can be reconfigured for their "on demand" strategic direction.
But you're right, Linux doesn't scale yet, so for the meantime I'm sticking with AIX.
 
Dial_tone said:
Sun's real market is high end multiprocessor machines. Suns do up to 128 processors while Linux doesn't scale at all past 4 cpu's.........yet. It will and when it does Sun will pay dearly.

While I do agree with you on the general tone - to be fair, Linux without any real customizations will scale well enough up to 32 processors.
It is still no Solaris, but for the most part, the people that are using Linux aren't interested in the single machine with many processors.
If you are using Linux with many processors, then most people are going over to the Beowulf route, or my personal preference, the OpenMosix route.
The issues you get into then aren't anything due to the software, but more of the network framework and how your code is designed. If you are sending out signals for updates once a second and also process data at about that rate, then you are just dandy at higher processors - but if it is less than that, or the data you are passing is large - then the issues is the shared memory over the network will cause huge wait in the system even using Doplhin and fiber solutions.

It is Windows that doesn't do well over 4 processors - again, if you do want to go higher, then you need a lot of customized tacked on code to get that going.
 
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