DOMS Deltoids

[Deleted member 33117]

gonelifting, there is something to that, but I've gotten sore from non-stretch position lifts as well. While incline curls certainly leave me sore often, I've done nothing but barbell and dumbell work on a preacher bench a number of times and had sore bi's the next day. Also, any chest movement leaves me sore if I train with even moderate intensity.

 

[gonelifting]

gonelifting, there is something to that, but I've gotten sore from non-stretch position lifts as well. While incline curls certainly leave me sore often, I've done nothing but barbell and dumbell work on a preacher bench a number of times and had sore bi's the next day. Also, any chest movement leaves me sore if I train with even moderate intensity.

Chest movements, there`s definately a stretch.

Preachers would do it if you don`t pause at the bottom of the movement and accelerate up, causing more pressure or force on the muscle. just a guess. They`re just theories(I have), remember. But ll in all, they have some merit. I think

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Ok, I found the info. Charles Polquin said in an interview I read that the reason delts do not get sore is because there is no stretch in most deltoid movements (goneliftin is right). That stretching a muscle during a lift is what seems to trigger the nerve impuse for doms. If you do a needle bioposy on a deltoid muscle after intense training, it will show as much damage to the fibers and another equally trained muscle that is sore, but you should need feel nearly the same level of soreness as another muscle that was trained with some kind of stretching stress in the movement. Polquin, all things being considered, is definately a credible source of information on excersice science. The Ph.D. and his extensive experience training olympic atheletes yield alot of credibility.

 

[The Red Dragon]

Ahh thanks that's what I'm looking for

 

[makedah]

Only my front delts ever get sore. But I don't measure my workouts by how sore I get so the less I have to creak and hobble around, the better.

 

[Tiervexx]

I think soreness is from stretching before the concentric movement.

This makes since because it is very hard to get a good stretch on the delts. I have similar issues with biceps.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

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[Tiervexx]

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[guldukat]

Tiervervexx, nice avatar. LoL I still have a working copy of Final Fantasy for my old nintendo.

I never played the first one, but I did love the two released for the Super Nintendo. The U.S. FFIII was awesome.

Speaking of Poliquin, I seem to remember that quote and yes, I definitely think he's credible/a good source of knowledge.

I think soreness has a lot to do with stretching while under resistance as well.

Of course, it is possible to get very sore without any kind of real stretch; you've some experience with partials, and I know I have...very short ROM partials with lots of weight could sometimes leave me deadly sore in a particular bodypart.

If I remember right, though, partials only made me sore in certain areas, like pecs. In the grand scheme of things, pecs aren't used much in training the rest of the body--not the way delts are. This is an important difference.

I'm thinking that delts are used so much indirectly that they receive lots of "active recovery." I know that when I have a hard workout and am sore the next day, if I do a little light stuff, the soreness is almost completely eliminated.

Perhaps the shoulders' involvement in squats, deadlifts, rows, etc. functions in a similar manner, and also help prevent them from feeling very sore.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

OMG, right, try doing 1/4th or shorter reps on close grip presses with 545. My triceps cramp for hours. Anyway considering the amount of extra movement and stretching delts get from doing other various movements you may be onto something with the active recovery. They get more use than another other muscle in the upper body.