Doggcrapp Training

[Tom Treutlein]

Re: DC training

Alright, alright. I guess I can see that.

So what happened to the whole Reg-Park age training? I mean, 3x a week, fullbody routines without the whole planned weights like HST? I mean, didn't they just lift and progressively add weight when they could?

I mean, HST is awesome for size, but strength-wise, it blows.

 

[casualbb]

Re: DC training

The inroading from a DC set, whatwith the rest-pauses and static, is greater than one straight set to failure. Contrarily, not all of the 9 sets in a 5x5 are "equal," either, especially depending on where you are in a training cycle.

Oh but they are equal.

You gotta break this HIT mindset bro

failure != growth. Load = growth.

Failure is just some bullshit neural mechanism that occurs when you try to fire the muscle before the ion gradient can recharge. It serves a protective role in making sure you don't overlift (although that could just be a side-product of evolution)

Failure has nothing to do with the growth process, which is initiated by microscopic muscle damage, which is caused by eccentric motions (lengthening of the muscle) while under load.

 

[Debaser]

Re: DC training

Oh but they are equal.

Not sure if I quite agree. Remember, a rest-paused set will have more overall reps. Instead of 10 reps to failure, for example, you're doing 10 reps, then say 3, then 1 or 2. So, there is more volume than a traditional 1 set to failure protocol.

 

[TheOak84]

Re: DC training

Not sure if I quite agree. Remember, a rest-paused set will have more overall reps. Instead of 10 reps to failure, for example, you're doing 10 reps, then say 3, then 1 or 2. So, there is more volume than a traditional 1 set to failure protocol.

i find the rest pause sets very effective in strenght gains. i would add a negative after the rest pause taking to the xtreme.

 

[InTraining]

Re: DC training

Just want to add a few thoughts to this discussion...

I have read a LOT about DC Training.cycle for pennies numerous times..posts on other boards...the "FAQ" on muscle mayhem with 100's of posts(still not finished reading that though )...and of course was skeptical at first...so I thought "why not try one of these stretches and see what happens"

I chose the chest stretch and within 1-2 weeks my pecs changed size and got a LOT bigger....

I used the back stretch as well for a couple sessions but my shoulders weren't enjoying it very much(though I did notice some width change)

Next I thought "why not try some RP techniques" so I did 15-20 reps RP for biceps and what do you know....bigger biceps..fuller...even a better peak...

This stuff isn't magic...the techniques have been around for awhile..DC doesn't claim to be revolutionary in any respect..he put all the techniques together and made a training program that almost anyone can grow from...

One other thing....from what I've picked up reading the program was originally intended for advanced lifters who had "maxed out" all their gains on conventional programs...but I've seen newbies grow from it too

 

[casualbb]

Re: DC training

Not sure if I quite agree. Remember, a rest-paused set will have more overall reps. Instead of 10 reps to failure, for example, you're doing 10 reps, then say 3, then 1 or 2. So, there is more volume than a traditional 1 set to failure protocol.

you misinterpret...

he goes, "Contrarily, not all of the 9 sets in a 5x5 are "equal," either, especially depending on where you are in a training cycle."

I said: "oh but they are equal"

although now that I think about it the first set is worth more than the second, which is worth more than the third... etc etc

I don't even know what I'm saying. forget it. except the rest of the post, don't forget that.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Re: DC training

Guldukat, didn't you say the negatives weren't supposed to be 6-8 seconds as everyone thought, but rather a steady 3-4 second? Basically, a typical negative?

I remember one aspect of DC training I didn't particularly enjoy was the long negatives, which caused a lot of joint pain (specifically the shoulders and elbows).

Debaser, any input on that?

Casual, seeing as the muscles can sustain greater loads under the eccentric portion of a lift, couldn't one just use negatives all the time to allow for greater gains in size (and strength, which seems to be a byproduct of heavy negatives anyway) rather than conventional positive/negative phases of lifting?

 

[casualbb]

Re: DC training

Casual, seeing as the muscles can sustain greater loads under the eccentric portion of a lift, couldn't one just use negatives all the time to allow for greater gains in size (and strength, which seems to be a byproduct of heavy negatives anyway) rather than conventional positive/negative phases of lifting?

If you do only negatives you will lose positive strength. Plus they're damn inconvenient for a lot of things.

Negatives can be useful when you're already using weights near your positive maxes... they allow more progressive load. But eventually you will condition even to negatives above the 1rm. At that point only deconditioning will allow more progress.

 

[Illuminati]

Re: DC training

i think if i were to go over to 100% bodybuilding i would proll y give this routine a good try..it has produced some big guys

same here. im not 100% bodybuilder either. i like the strength aspects of powerlifting, but along with that, i like getting size from a Body building routine. its hard to find a routine that incorporates the two. but i think that i have found a good mix that im gonna run with for the next 2 months, and see how it goes.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Re: DC training

Oh yeah? What mix is that?