Does Test Bother or Make a Enlarged Prostate Worse?

[curling]

Just wondering. I guess I should have asked that before I got on huh?

 

[Juiced]

YES YES YES, right now I have a prostate the size of texas, and its a fuckin chore taking a pee. Although it really depends on how much your running, I would suggest taking a small dose of Finasteride or Advadart with it, I have some Advadart on the way, Ive heard it works wonders and really doesnt screw with sexual function as much as fina....

 

[curling]

YES YES YES, right now I have a prostate the size of texas, and its a fuckin chore taking a pee. Although it really depends on how much your running, I would suggest taking a small dose of Finasteride or Advadart with it, I have some Advadart on the way, Ive heard it works wonders and really doesnt screw with sexual function as much as fina....

What is Advardart is it legal? And you are taking about fina the gear or something else. How do you know it bothers it or maybe your prostate is just getting worse. I am trying to think positive here.

 

[Bozwell]

yes.. I belive estrogen and insulin play a part as well,
zinc helps clear the prostate of dht drinking lots of water helps also
I read somewere that most case of cancer the prostate show deficency of zinc in the prostate

 

[macrophage69alpha]

yes

testosterone/dht have been linked to enlargment

estrogen has been linked to malignancy

 

[curling]

So if I take alot of zinc can I stay on the 500mg/wk of test or is going to make my prostate alot worse so I can't pee at all. I feel like that old man in the Godfather poor dude.

 

[Bozwell]

So if I take alot of zinc can I stay on the 500mg/wk of test or is going to make my prostate alot worse so I can't pee at all. I feel like that old man in the Godfather poor dude.

Take plenty of zinc and drink plenty of water 500mg per week isnt a lot
if it persists after a coule of weeks taking extra zinc go see a gp and get ready for the glove

 

[curling]

Take plenty of zinc and drink plenty of water 500mg per week isnt a lot
if it persists after a coule of weeks taking extra zinc go see a gp and get ready for the glove

I am fixing to add 50mg of var/day is that going to bother it too? I don't like that glove finger.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm not sure about prostate size per se, but any androgen (particularly testosterone) will stilmulate prostate cancer cells.... lowering androgen levels causes prostate cells to shrink or grow more slowly (hence Hormone-Androgen Deprivation therapy)

So basically, yes, you run the risk of not only increasing prostate size but also prostate cancer whenever you run test

 

[HGH man]

I have had a enlarged prostate from birth and a pituitary tumor was found in 86. So the Dr. then put me on 1cc of test en every 2 weeks. I get my prostate checked twice a year and it never appears to be any larger. I'm 55 right now so I don't know if doing it for so long has made me immune.

 

[big_boy_1]

Some finasteride will help.
It prevents test from converting to DHT.

It may reduce gains A BIT, but still a small price to pay.
When you grow old you may regret having used AAS without finasteride.

 

[curling]

Some finasteride will help.
It prevents test from converting to DHT.

It may reduce gains A BIT, but still a small price to pay.
When you grow old you may regret having used AAS without finasteride.

What is this stuff and is it legal? I mean is it easy to get?

 

[Stacemranger]

AG has it.

 

[Wulfgar]

never had any prostate problems
im tellin you guys
supplement with Ginger..the stuff works like a charm
even on my heaviest androgenic cycles i still piss like im holding a goddamn firehose turned up full blast.

 

[deezknuckles]

I'm not sure about prostate size per se, but any androgen (particularly testosterone) will stilmulate prostate cancer cells.... lowering androgen levels causes prostate cells to shrink or grow more slowly (hence Hormone-Androgen Deprivation therapy)

So basically, yes, you run the risk of not only increasing prostate size but also prostate cancer whenever you run test

That implies that testosterone incerases the risk of prostate cancer, which I do not believe is supported by any evidence. Sure test/DHT can lead to prostatic growth and test/dht can cause growth of malignant cells but what evidence do you have that exogenous test increases the risk of prostate cancer?

Read this:
Can J Urol. 2006 Feb;13 Suppl 1:40-3. Related Articles, Links


Testosterone replacement therapy and prostate risks: where's the beef?

Morgentaler A.

Division of Urology, Harvard Medical School, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.

It has been part of the conventional medical wisdom for six decades that higher testosterone in some way increases the risk of prostate cancer. This belief is derived largely from the well-documented regression of prostate cancer in the face of surgical or pharmacological castration. However, there is an absence of scientific data supporting the concept that higher testosterone levels are associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer. Specifically, no increased risk of prostate cancer was noted in 1) clinical trials of testosterone supplementation, 2) longitudinal population-based studies, or 3) in a high-risk population of hypogonadal men receiving testosterone treatment. Moreover, hypogonadal men have a substantial rate of biopsy-detectable prostate cancer, suggesting that low testosterone has no protective effect against development of prostate cancer. These results argue against an increased risk of prostate cancer with testosterone replacement therapy.

PMID: 16526980 [PubMed - in process]

 

[Juiced]

Hmm never heard that one, wulf how much ginger do you take? And do they make a ginger supp in caps or tabs? Id like to try that. Bro, if you currently have prostate enlargment 500mg of test COULD make it worse, signs you have a big one are
Starting and stopping when pissing
getting up more than 2 times per night
feeling like you gotta go but cant

I do know that the 2 times per year I come off I pee like a champion, and it feels so nice to be able to pee...fuck everytime I go to the bathroom people think im shitting im in there so long.

 

[njmuscleguy]

That implies that testosterone incerases the risk of prostate cancer, which I do not believe is supported by any evidence. Sure test/DHT can lead to prostatic growth and test/dht can cause growth of malignant cells but what evidence do you have that exogenous test increases the risk of prostate cancer?

Well, my point wasn't specifically about endogenous test... but I did read on the American Cancer Society's website regarding ADT (Androgen Deprivation Therapy) and in a nutshell, it explains that the goal of this therapy is to lower levels of male hormones (androgens, mainly testosterone) because they stimulate prostate cells to grow - I'm sure they are not considering exogenous sources of test... it doesn't matter whether the test is natural or supplemented... they also state that this isn't a cure for cancer, just a treatment

so I'm not an expert in this, nor do I have studies to back up what I had written.... just relaying what I had read from ACS.org

 

[Wulfgar]

Hmm never heard that one, wulf how much ginger do you take? And do they make a ginger supp in caps or tabs? Id like to try that. Bro, if you currently have prostate enlargment 500mg of test COULD make it worse, signs you have a big one are
Starting and stopping when pissing
getting up more than 2 times per night
feeling like you gotta go but cant

I do know that the 2 times per year I come off I pee like a champion, and it feels so nice to be able to pee...fuck everytime I go to the bathroom people think im shitting im in there so long.

Give it a shot man..Ginger leads the way in the government’s USDA database of 5-LO inhibitors, as Ginger has been shown to contain at least 22 different components which act as 5-LO inhibitors. And as we know inhibition of that pesky enzyme causes massive apoptosis of prostate cancer cells(benign and malignant both)
I drink alot of ginger tea @ night but I also supplement with 1-2 grams a day of ginger root pills

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/ginger.html

and
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/alv/gin.html

try the tea..i love the taste so thats why i kept it up

let me know if this gives you some relief bro!!...

 

[curling]

Give it a shot man..Ginger leads the way in the government’s USDA database of 5-LO inhibitors, as Ginger has been shown to contain at least 22 different components which act as 5-LO inhibitors. And as we know inhibition of that pesky enzyme causes massive apoptosis of prostate cancer cells(benign and malignant both)
I drink alot of ginger tea @ night but I also supplement with 1-2 grams a day of ginger root pills

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/ginger.html

and
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/alv/gin.html

try the tea..i love the taste so thats why i kept it up

let me know if this gives you some relief bro!!...

Heck I am trying it too. I eat ginger with sushi but that probably isn't enough. I would love to pee like a firehose. Man, that would be awesome!!!

 

[flyin j]

Also enlarged prostate=poor erections??? Or ed in general??? Also are some of the above posts saying that test could lead to prostate cancer, I thought there was no evidence of aas causing cancer???

 

[chordz]

Also enlarged prostate=poor erections??? Or ed in general??? Also are some of the above posts saying that test could lead to prostate cancer, I thought there was no evidence of aas causing cancer???

For every study showing it will cause cancer there is one saying it won't. From what I can gather, if the cancer ALREADY EXISTS, test could make it grow faster but to actually cause it is the big debate.

 

[booby]

a recent study showd that men with prostate cancer all had higher then normal natty test levels.

 

[Triple J]

its when the test turns to estrogen that the problems occur, as in advancing age.

young men generally have very high test levels, but their estrogen is usually low. no prostate cancer in that group

 

[jagerbombme]

well. this was interesting responses here. sonovabeech. i posted the post about epidydimitis a while back and was having bad ball pain. one doc thoought it was prostate, 3 others didn't. it flared up again despite being on antib's for 30 days straight and i decided to look to home remedy, well any remedy damnit to help get rid of this ball pain. i've been taking a prostate health pill. (has ginger, which has made me poop regular since i've been on it). but, i look in my cabinet and started on the kyolic garlic and zinc (since i had a cold) my symptoms seem to have dissappeared for a day and a half now? maybe the zinc did it because i've been on the prostate stuff for about two weeks and it didn't do anything except help bowel movements cause of the ginger(another tip i learned here, i love it here ) but i started on the zinc and the pain level went down and diminished. i had stopped the caffiene thinking possibly it was caffiene as he told me to stay away from it. but now reading this i think it was zinc.

 

[Wulfgar]

all hard trianing athletes should be on a ZMA supplement IMHO


esp if they are using AAS

 

[njmuscleguy]

For every study showing it will cause cancer there is one saying it won't. From what I can gather, if the cancer ALREADY EXISTS, test could make it grow faster but to actually cause it is the big debate.

yup, that's what I think the article I read was saying... no studies right now suggesting that AAS causes cancer, but if prostate cancer already exists, then higher levels of test (whether natural or exogenous) will cause the cancer to grow.

 

[nybb10001]

What is this stuff and is it legal? I mean is it easy to get?

Finasteride is the active ingredient in Propecia. Proscar is the stronger version (higher milligrams). It's supposed to be prescribed by a doctor...

 

[flyin j]

What about erectile problems, I have a friend who takes percs and oxy's all the time and he was telling me that they can enlarge the prostate and cause you to not be able to getr wood, which got me thinking because ever since I have juiced and many many months after I can maintain gains with no problems and have alot of desire for women but when it comes down to it i cant get a FULL erection all of the time it seems, so would that be attributed to test and cycling??? Would GREATLY APPRECIATE some good feedback on this.

Also let me get this right, Ginger and ZMA will help the prostate??? K for some good help guys, this thread has gotten me very interested.

 

[jagerbombme]

What about erectile problems, I have a friend who takes percs and oxy's all the time and he was telling me that they can enlarge the prostate and cause you to not be able to getr wood, which got me thinking because ever since I have juiced and many many months after I can maintain gains with no problems and have alot of desire for women but when it comes down to it i cant get a FULL erection all of the time it seems, so would that be attributed to test and cycling??? Would GREATLY APPRECIATE some good feedback on this.

Also let me get this right, Ginger and ZMA will help the prostate??? K for some good help guys, this thread has gotten me very interested.

i've had that problem here and there. also had the ball pain(unknown cause), taking a solar ray product called prostate blend with saw palmetto and ginger and some other stuff. and now taking zinc since my symptoms have cleared up decently. ginger helps me poop good too. no more little plop plop plops, i get a nice banana again.

 

[flyin j]

i've had that problem here and there. also had the ball pain(unknown cause), taking a solar ray product called prostate blend with saw palmetto and ginger and some other stuff. and now taking zinc since my symptoms have cleared up decently. ginger helps me poop good too. no more little plop plop plops, i get a nice banana again.

Thanks bro, saw palmetto, ginger and ZMA, im gonna start the same thing and see what happens.

Anyone else have any input???

 

[flyin j]

Also its good to finally know what the hell the problem was, thanks bro's. Cant wait to see some results!!!

 

[MassDestruction]

Zma= ZINC ?

 

[lanky]

Possible causes of BPH- 1.serum Estrogen/androgen ratio 2. local metabolism at the prostate tissue involving 3HSD ,17HSD, 5AR and its conjugates of diol's diones, epimers.
3. insulin/glucose
4. dietary factors, deficiency
5, circulation
6..the list can go on all day
7. other prescription medication.

eat right, exercise, and develope coping techniques for stress...regardless chances are that most mens prostates will enlarge to some degree with age,,,but not everyones will be symptomatic or enlarge enough to where they will be aware..it can be very hard trying to put a foley catheter in a patient with BPH..i then have to get an order to straight cath with a special catherter for BPH a little more stiff for leverage...you dont want to have a TURP done(basicly cutting out a part of the prostate) high amount of sexual dysfunction after the surgery. then I have to do bladder irrigation when the patient is on a med surg unit)......get psa done and digital rectal exams yearly after 40 for prostate cancer

 

[njmuscleguy]

anyone have any recommendations as to how much extra zinc to supplement? and how much is too much? I think I remember reading that too much zinc, like anything else, isn't good

 

[Guvna]

Thanks bro, saw palmetto, ginger and ZMA, im gonna start the same thing and see what happens.

Anyone else have any input???

Add lycopene and a small dose a finasteride to that stack and your problems should disappear.