Doctors vs Guns - Statistics

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

Doctors vs Guns - Statistics
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Number of physicians in the U. S.: 700,000. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000.

Accidental deaths per physician: 0.171 (U. S. Dept of Health & Human Services)

Number of gun owners in the U. S.: 80,000,000.

Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups): 1,500.

Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188.

Again, why only accidental deaths?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Why are your numbers only comparing accidental gun deaths? It's the intentional gun deaths that are causing the most problems

You mean like from the police?

Or do you mean murders? And is your contention that if you don't have guns, you won't have murders?

The anti-gun lobbies are trying to use "accidental" deaths due to handguns as one of their tools for supporting their position. This just brings to light the absurdity of that position relative to something else.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

You mean like from the police?

Or do you mean murders? And is your contention that if you don't have guns, you won't have murders?

The anti-gun lobbies are trying to use "accidental" deaths due to handguns as one of their tools for supporting their position. This just brings to light the absurdity of that position relative to something else.

It's the gun murders that are the problem. There would be a lot fewer murders without weapons that make it so easy to kill. A first grader can kill with a gun. It takes a lot more effort to kill with a knife or club. You have to get close to your victim and the victim has a much better chance of surviving the attack. The whole argument that there would still be murders without guns is pointless. Of course there still would be murders but there would be much fewer.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

I firmly believe that the intent of "the right to bare arms" was to keep an armed populice so that they could resist their government if needs be.

Indeed.

2nd Amendment: (proposed by James Madison)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Federalist Paper 46: (by James Madison)
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

There is no doubt that it was Madison's intention for all men to bear arms.


"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -Thomas Jefferson

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved), or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." -Thomas Jefferson

 

[strongsmartsexy]

It's the gun murders that are the problem. There would be a lot fewer murders without weapons that make it so easy to kill. A first grader can kill with a gun. It takes a lot more effort to kill with a knife or club. You have to get close to your victim and the victim has a much better chance of surviving the attack. The whole argument that there would still be murders without guns is pointless. Of course there still would be murders but there would be much fewer.

Statistically the "less murders without guns" doesn't hold up. Just see the statistics from countries that have already removed guns from the populice.

Your argument about a first grader "killing" with a gun is argumentative useless, unless you want to establish culpability of that first grader as it's intent to murder!

The argument that there would still be murders is no more pointless than the assertion that not having guns will reduce murders. Not having guns may reduce the incidence of accidental deaths though. However, if you're going down that path, then the statistics that were on the first post show you there is at least a more significant contributor to those.