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The desired outcome is ultimately more and more people learning to get their shit together and be responsible for themselves. When that happens, chances are we'll have more than enough capacity to assist those who truly can't.
Doctor vs. "Health Care Crisis"
- Thread starter hanselthecaretaker
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The desired outcome is ultimately more and more people learning to get their shit together and be responsible for themselves. When that happens, chances are we'll have more than enough capacity to assist those who truly can't.
facilitating. I used that word for a reason.
PICK3
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that's wut I said
the act of building paper through county health care "facilitates" their path to documenting a need for assistance, e.g. a cheque
even "non-habit forming psych meds" facilitates govmint assistance for those seeking to work teh system
Absolutely, but there is always going to be a standard deviation of people who are assholes and want to lazy around while the rest of the people work. What do we do about those people? Kill them? Let them starve? Kick them out?
Yes.
mrplunkey
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We already provide tiered healthcare, we're just to wussy to admit it.
If Barry suffered a massive heart attack, he'd be emergency airlifted to one on the beset medical centers in the world and receive hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars worth of care per day -- they'd bring him back from death's door if necessary.
Now if a homeless drunk downtown suffered from the same heart attack, he'd get some care -- but it would fall well short of Barry's. He'd probably slip into organ failure and doctors would start saying "there's nothing we can do". But there's always something they can do... at a price.
So we're already letting people die. The difference is we need to turn off the spending tap sooner depending on the circumstances.
mistaballoonhands
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I took care of some broads kids who only had uri's in the ED yesterday. She had on big fake nails, had her hair did, and was wearing a gold grill. She needed a Rx for children's Tylenol tho so she could get it for free.
blueta2
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This is an issue up here even with Medicare where no one is without.
I've always sat on the fence with this issue, since it's easy to judge others but at the same time having sympathy for them. There are a few dr's up here who are now refusing any ptts who smoke. When I was a smoke (QUIT 4 YEARS AGO TODAY...WOOHOOO) I would have been horrified had a doc refused to see me, but in retrospect, I get it now.
Here I was, presenting with Lupus, Lyme and so many other issues and was smoking and asking "why am I not doing better" Was crazy!
If someone is obese and has a ton of health issues, yet they refuse to eat well and or exercise, refusing them would be like refusing to treat an active alcoholic or drug addict. Obesity is an addiction like any other. How can you refuse someone with mental health issues like this? You can't!
Then you get the person who is not an addict, but just someone who is SO uneducated about good health, even when you try to help them understand, they still don't get why they cannot eat 50 lbs of sugar a day.
I have a client, nice old man. He's type 2 diabetic and has had 2 heart attacks. Fine, he pays to see me, but he just will not give up sugar. He will email me and say "I'm out at a restaurant, can I have cheesecake since it's dairy and not sugar"
How do you not try to help someone like this?
This can be said about anyone who abuses their body, yes, even those on the juice! We cannot pick and choose who to help and not help.
If someone is abusing themselves, assume they are in some mental health crisis and do the best you can with them.
Tough one cause I find myself judging others all the time with regards to their health......
I've always sat on the fence with this issue, since it's easy to judge others but at the same time having sympathy for them. There are a few dr's up here who are now refusing any ptts who smoke. When I was a smoke (QUIT 4 YEARS AGO TODAY...WOOHOOO) I would have been horrified had a doc refused to see me, but in retrospect, I get it now.
Here I was, presenting with Lupus, Lyme and so many other issues and was smoking and asking "why am I not doing better" Was crazy!
If someone is obese and has a ton of health issues, yet they refuse to eat well and or exercise, refusing them would be like refusing to treat an active alcoholic or drug addict. Obesity is an addiction like any other. How can you refuse someone with mental health issues like this? You can't!
Then you get the person who is not an addict, but just someone who is SO uneducated about good health, even when you try to help them understand, they still don't get why they cannot eat 50 lbs of sugar a day.
I have a client, nice old man. He's type 2 diabetic and has had 2 heart attacks. Fine, he pays to see me, but he just will not give up sugar. He will email me and say "I'm out at a restaurant, can I have cheesecake since it's dairy and not sugar"
How do you not try to help someone like this?
This can be said about anyone who abuses their body, yes, even those on the juice! We cannot pick and choose who to help and not help.
If someone is abusing themselves, assume they are in some mental health crisis and do the best you can with them.
Tough one cause I find myself judging others all the time with regards to their health......
I completely agree blue. When I see someone that is obese, I see a mental health issue; I don't see laziness or gluttony. I feel sorry for them because most of us can hide our problems, but they have to have theirs on display for the entire world to see. People act like it's as easy as giving up xyz but it's more difficult if that is what they've chosen to numb themselves and it's not normal to not care if you die.
blueta2
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CIndy, just thought of a good story, when I was doing my year long apprenticeship at the health clinic, a women would come in complaining of the same issues over and over. She was paying the ND $200 an hr and never followed her treatment plan. She REFUSED to change her diet, refused to adjust her life to get well, but she still came in every 4 weeks.
I sat in on every appointment and kept thinking to myself "Man, I would dump this one if she were my client"
Then one day it hit me after I was at a conference where an MD (who does allopathic and natural healing) said "Many times when a ptts doesn't get well or refuses to get well, it's because they are holding on to their sickness in safety. They are not ready yet to change and let it go. This is where the practitioners need to have patients and guide them to healing, even if it takes a lifetime"
Then I realized this woman at the clinic was SO unhappy in her life. I pulled the ND aside and said "Ask about her marriage"
She did and the women almost fell onto the floor in tears and talked for 2 hrs about how much she hated her life. NO WORD OF A LIE, 4 weeks later she came in for her follow up, told us she is now in therapy and started the ND's treatment program and was getting well.
Now if MD's would take more than a friggin minute with each ptt and really try to heal and not just give them pills that don't work, then maybe more people would get better. (Chris this is not up for debate)
Hard not to judge, I have clients who are addicts, obese, OCD (one girls emails and calls me 3-4 x a day) and I want to SCREAM, but I then remember, someone took their time with me when I was sick and stubborn, so......
I sat in on every appointment and kept thinking to myself "Man, I would dump this one if she were my client"
Then one day it hit me after I was at a conference where an MD (who does allopathic and natural healing) said "Many times when a ptts doesn't get well or refuses to get well, it's because they are holding on to their sickness in safety. They are not ready yet to change and let it go. This is where the practitioners need to have patients and guide them to healing, even if it takes a lifetime"
Then I realized this woman at the clinic was SO unhappy in her life. I pulled the ND aside and said "Ask about her marriage"
She did and the women almost fell onto the floor in tears and talked for 2 hrs about how much she hated her life. NO WORD OF A LIE, 4 weeks later she came in for her follow up, told us she is now in therapy and started the ND's treatment program and was getting well.
Now if MD's would take more than a friggin minute with each ptt and really try to heal and not just give them pills that don't work, then maybe more people would get better. (Chris this is not up for debate)
Hard not to judge, I have clients who are addicts, obese, OCD (one girls emails and calls me 3-4 x a day) and I want to SCREAM, but I then remember, someone took their time with me when I was sick and stubborn, so......
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