Do I really need jiu jitsu for ground game in MMA?

[Djimbe]

pshshs , Florians just way better on his feet than ppl give him credit for . Its NEVER a Stiker Verus Grabppler affair when youre facing him like ppl try to make it out to be . Hes Koed the best of them , or forced them to the ground because his Striking was superior .


And both the Gurgel and Evans fights "proved" EXACTLY the Opposite , as did Luke Cummo's .

And that was in the same show .

 

[mr.october]

Sam Stout is way overated. He has no grappling, nor will he ever. Mabye if he had a little BJJ/grappling experience, he wouldn't have gotten skunked on the ground. Florian did not even need to throw one punch.

Though Rashad Evans took Bonnar down like nothing(Rashad has sick wresting and hands too), Bonnar did not get beat up on the ground or have his guard passed because of BJJ.

Rob MacDonald has very little BJJ experience, but even he looked slick with that armbar because of the BJJ training

 

[Trojan Horse]

If you are a Mixed Martial Artist and are deprived of ground fighting skills, you better work on them. End of story.

 

[booby]

a mma class that doesnt do jiujitsu? wtf?

a good mma school will teach you the following!

wrestling
jiujitsu
muaythai
boxing
conditioning

and these are just the basics for a good mma fighter!

you need no gi jiujitsu traning to learn a good mount,a good guard,a good cross mount,how to apply subs and avoid subs and escape subs!...jiujitsu is a must for anyone who is serious about fighting mma!

 

[MikeMartial]

a mma class that doesnt do jiujitsu? wtf?

a good mma school will teach you the following!

wrestling
jiujitsu
muaythai
boxing
conditioning

and these are just the basics for a good mma fighter!

you need no gi jiujitsu traning to learn a good mount,a good guard,a good cross mount,how to apply subs and avoid subs and escape subs!...jiujitsu is a must for anyone who is serious about fighting mma!

^^^what he said. Any school that doesn't teach those basics won't produce decent fighters.

And Sam Stout isn't overated; he probaby has thee best stand up in the UFC right now. In fact, I'd easily take him over anyone in stand up in the next two weight classes up. But he is one-dimensional, and I'm sure he knows it. The Florian fight was a wake up call, and I'm sure he'll ramp up his BJJ for his next fight. He hasn't been in MMA for all that long, and probably just started getting into any type of grappling.

 

[Anthony Starks]

And Sam Stout isn't overated; he probaby has thee best stand up in the UFC right now. In fact, I'd easily take him over anyone in stand up in the next two weight classes up.

Really? I would take Rich Franklin, David Loisau, or Anderson Silva against him in a stand up fight in a second.

 

[MikeMartial]

Really? I would take Rich Franklin, David Loisau, or Anderson Silva against him in a stand up fight in a second.

But why is that? Is that because everyone TALKS about how great their stand up is? Or is it because you "like" their stand-up game? (Don't get me wrong, Loiseau is one of my favorite fighters)

But can it be compared to someone who has succesfully competed internationally in MT, and fought succesfully in K-1? That's the only point I'm making. If Stout had just as much experience and talent in his ground game as he does stand up, he'd be a damn dangerous dude in the UFC.

 

[bloodinbloodout]

a mma class that doesnt do jiujitsu? wtf?

a good mma school will teach you the following!

wrestling
jiujitsu
muaythai
boxing
conditioning

and these are just the basics for a good mma fighter!

you need no gi jiujitsu traning to learn a good mount,a good guard,a good cross mount,how to apply subs and avoid subs and escape subs!...jiujitsu is a must for anyone who is serious about fighting mma!

If you paid any attention to what I wrote you'd understand that of course we have Jiu Jitsu. A Renzo Gracie black belt is my instructor.

We concentrate on Muay Thai training 4 times a week in which we work standup. My coach is a pro muay thai boxer and pro MMA fighter with over 30 fights. He trains under Coban.

And Jiu Jitsu is trained 3 times a week. However, in MMA, we do not drill strictly jiu jitsu or muay thai. A lot of this time is used for sparring, a lot for drilling. As I said in my earlier post, we drill in guard, half guard, full mount etc. We also work in wrestling for takedowns and to use some GNP techniques. If you had taken the time to read what I said, this would be very evident to you.

Don't dare disrespect my school or my instructors. Again, if you had read what I said I was having a hard time dedicating myself to all 3 of these training sessions and felt the MMA and Muay Thai would be best for me to go to, especially since the BJJ is later on at night. My general question was can a fighter get by on training strictly MMA and Muay Thai. Not traditional gi or no gi jiu jitsu but training ground game in the arena of mixed martial arts. My coach who again, is a PRO MMA fighter, has already told me that bjj and mma ground technique is extremely different and that he and I can train ground strictly for MMA if I can't always train my BJJ. Obviously I will seek to learn basic submissions, chokes and escapes, but in a mixed martial arts application where I can transition from my muay thai to wrestling to mma on the ground.
Don't offer your pissant opinion if you don't know what youre talking about.

 

[bloodinbloodout]

And again, I have trained some jiu jitsu, probably over 6 months. If you search my posts you can see that I began learning some judo/bjj around this time. I then began training at a school where the above was offered. From neutral, I am a good wrestler with the capability to take a person down, but not a national level wrestler like some of those in my school. My bjj was ok, I have pretty good hips, decent strength and I like to think I am well conditioned. I just had a hard time transitioning to arm bars etc and although I think I can set them up they are just something that I have not been so successful with.

I am contemplating whether or not I want to compete. I really love the sport of it and would love to get back into my competitive nature and train very hard for 6 months to a year for a fight. I just don't know at what stage in my life, or if I am going to fight.

I don't mean to come at you like that. My coach is very near and dear to me, this sport is his life and so is his school. I've never trained at militich or anywhere like that, but I think I am learning a great deal and competing with some great fighters and wrestlers.

Best of luck I will keep you all updated.

 

[booby]

Honestly, I know jiu-jitsu could help but, I work a very stressful job with a lot of hours. On mondays I train MMA from 6-7, Muay Thai from 7-830 and then there is a jiu jitsu class afterwards with a good Gracie team instructor, but I just don't have it in me to stay because I really need rest and am already EXHAUSTED. ********************

your exact words! ^^^ i just dont have it in me to stay...so i said mma school without jiujitsu?...i dont know you,maybe your having a bad day?so i will bite my tounge a little and use some self control...i was only stating you need jiujitsu training to be a good mma fighter...you can catch an attitude all you want i was only trying to help a fellow fighter out... i was only offering some advice as i am a profesional heavyweight and super heavyweight mma fighter with 3 different title belts, only 1 loss in 54 mma fights pro and amateur combined...i train at one of the most succesfull mma schools in the u.s. we have had 3 mma fighters fight in the ufc,and 1 mma fighter in pride...with 2 others in negotiations with pride as we speak,1 fighter who has fought in k1.and 2 fighters who have won titles in king of the cage,and we have a top ranked boxer allen green who fights on espn regularly....most of the best fighters i know have always kept an opened mind to other fighters,and coaches advice and knowledge...i truely wish you nothing but the best in all your goals!