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DNP_guru is on trial

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HELLSPAWN

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for those of you who know him and those who don't, he was busted in last september and DNP was seized from his home. his trial is finally going to start on May 13th in the federal courthouse on central islip, long island. i don't know if it will be open to the public, but most of these trials are.

he was charged with introducing a "new drug" into interstate commerce with the intent to defraud and mislead.

it looks like he's not going to take any kind of a plea and will take it all the way through trial.

if any of you are in long island and have some interest in this case you may want to check it out. the discussion boards will play a large part in the trial. hopefully it doesn't draw any more undue attention to these boards.
 
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Damn, I hope he got a good attny.

Are they charging him with manslaughter or anything of that nature???

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nautica
 
nautica said:
Damn, I hope he got a good attny.

Are they charging him with manslaughter or anything of that nature???

later
nautica
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manslaughter is not listed as one of the charges.

this may just be rumors, but the last i heard he is planning to file a lawsuit against the FDA and newspapers because the kid didn't actually die of dnp and the reports came out prematurely before the autopsy was ever revealed.
 
i heard they are going to be ruthless since it was a young kid who died. i hope all ends up well.
 
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i don't think any customers would be willing to take the time to testify for him.

it probably won't matter though because the death isn't even going to be brought up in the trial since it has nothing to do with the case, and also since the kid didn't actually die of dnp.
 
Well, this whole situation makes me sick (easy for me to say)....."intent to defraud and mislead", oh brother :rolleyes: .....I sure hope things will turn out alright.....good luck.

EngiCream
 
trial0r said:
i heard they are going to be ruthless since it was a young kid who died. intent to mislead means intent to defraud which means dnp guru himself was lying to the kid about what dnp did and/or told him to use it in an incorrect way....couldnt one of his customers testify if they were granted immunity?
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This country's beurocrocy and people utter lack of self responsibilty wants to make me fucking puke.

accident happen and why does it have to be someones fault other than the moron who OD'd on DNP?

What kind of country allows someone to sue Mcdonnalds and win because they spilled hot coffee in thier lap? What kind of country allows fucking prison inmates to sue because the food they are fed is against the religion they decided to take up once in prison? What kind of fucking government allows people to sue tabaco companies because the people sueing are simply too weak willed to kick the habbit?

I will tell you what kind of government it is, the same kind of government that is chosen by people who must always blame others for thier misfortune, lack of planning, sheer stupidity and utter incompetence.
 
Zyglamail said:
This country's beurocrocy and people utter lack of self responsibilty wants to make me fucking puke.

accident happen and why does it have to be someones fault other than the moron who OD'd on DNP?
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i see how the press has already implanted this info in everyone's head. i hope he can still get a fair trial.

the kid's death was not a result of taking DNP. that's probably why they can't mention it in the trial and why they're not charging him with manslaughter.
 
i see how the press has already implanted this info in everyone's head. i hope he can still get a fair trial.
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Regardless of why he died, that is likely the main reason why dnp_guru is where he is and its bullshit that people who sell stuff are held liable for how others use it. That was the just of my comments. I for one hope he gets off scott free. I really HATE how the government wastes our money.
 
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HELLSPAWN said:



the kid's death was not a result of taking DNP. that's probably why they can't mention it in the trial and why they're not charging him with manslaughter.
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What was the cause of death???

btw: I hope he sues their asses off and wins.
 
Zyglamail said:
This country's beurocrocy and people utter lack of self responsibilty wants to make me fucking puke.

accident happen and why does it have to be someones fault other than the moron who OD'd on DNP?

What kind of country allows someone to sue Mcdonnalds and win because they spilled hot coffee in thier lap? What kind of country allows fucking prison inmates to sue because the food they are fed is against the religion they decided to take up once in prison? What kind of fucking government allows people to sue tabaco companies because the people sueing are simply too weak willed to kick the habbit?

I will tell you what kind of government it is, the same kind of government that is chosen by people who must always blame others for thier misfortune, lack of planning, sheer stupidity and utter incompetence.
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Fuckin A' brother.....Good luck to DNP, he is a good man.
 
Zyglamail said:
What kind of country allows someone to sue Mcdonnalds and win because they spilled hot coffee in thier lap? What kind of country allows fucking prison inmates to sue because the food they are fed is against the religion they decided to take up once in prison? What kind of fucking government allows people to sue tabaco companies because the people sueing are simply too weak willed to kick the habbit?
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The government feels the need to always point the finger and narrow it to a single cause. They just can't comprehend that their are morons and psychos out there. Just like the boy who crashed a plane into the building in FL, they blamed that on accutane; hmmmm, is there any possibility that the kid was just a crazy fucker? Nah, it had to be accutane. BTW, good luck to the Guru!
 
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Just like the boy who crashed a plane into the building in FL, they blamed that on accutane; hmmmm, is there any possibility that the kid was just a crazy fucker? Nah, it had to be accutane.
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an intersting tidbit, the kid who died was an EF member. in his posts he said how much he loved accutane.
 
HELLSPAWN said:


an intersting tidbit, the kid who died was an EF member. in his posts he said how much he loved accutane.
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No shit. Who was it. Was his screen name I Am A Sick Fuck?
 
It's all about personal responsibility. They aren't going to be able to do anything about DNP. It will become very popular once the general public finds out.
 
He was a great bro.... damn this kind of thing sucks... I liked him, he was always helpful, always informative.
 
I completley agree with zyg, When you take a substance any wether legal or not ,it is YOUR job to do the reaserch and find out what its positives and negatives are of the product and if YOU deem that it poses more positives then negatives well then thats YOUR decision . if you kill yourself its your fault, i belive the goverment should tell you if the product is dangerous or not, but after that it should be your choice , i mean on cigarettesit tells you the warning and yet YOU still choose to smoke then its your fault not Phillip morris
 
so is Hellspawn hinting that the kid died of liver failure instead of the heat of the dnp?
I suppose the dehydration of the dnp and then a preexisting liver condition would be a bad thing...
if he didn't kill himself on purpose, then the only other thing that I know of accutane being known for is liver damage... well, and it helps fight acne :)
 
This is terrible news... DNP_Guru was a great guy... always helpful and informative. If anything, I'm sure that the good advise he gave out helped PREVENT many undo side effects and mishaps from DNP use. Good luck to you my friend...
 
HELLSPAWN said:



the kid's death was not a result of taking DNP. that's probably why they can't mention it in the trial and why they're not charging him with manslaughter.
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i sure hope your right about that. That would would be one hell of a coincidence...ingesting 1g+ of dnp and dieing of something completely related

I bet there's more to this story but i guess we'll have to see
 
I wish Guru well. He is a standup guy. Some of you know about my tribulation on DNP. Well Guru was very concerned after the fact and stayed in touch, he is a good guy.

I don't blame him for what happened to me, I blame myself for doing something I personally consider stupid now. I will not respond to any flames on this matter, I put the info out once before and people tried to read to far between the lines.

The point blank is Guru tried to be helpful in spite of all.
 
Ahhhh.. I'm surprised the trial date is so soon. It usually takes longer. But I don't live in New York.

I'd like to keep this open, even if the guy is a victim of the system. My guess: An example.

My secong guesses (while I do not know him personally, but perhaps, let's say, indirectly, very indirectly):

1. He'll plea bargain his ass off.

2. Other bro's will eventually go down in one way or another.

Budget justification, too. For sure. Salivation. Drooling.

Unless the guy has money and good lawyers.

Welcome to the world where people think the DEA is not serious, nor are the juicing locals, and that international sources can actually, by some means, be "approved."

Do I have the wrong guy? Or, perhaps, I am thinking of another burrow.

Dexter
 
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That explains why is expert opinion has not been heard lately.

If there is anything we can do to help I know I would help him!
 
The FDA should simply be closed it is a waste of taxpayers money,

Not saying this only because of DNPguru, but have been personally involved with FRIVOLOUS lawsuits and audits by incompetent fools and
bureaucrats
 
I remember this and the article,the parents said he was hell bent on taking dnp regardless of what they did,whatever happened to the kid a good bro is going down!!!! RADAR
 
the guru is a good guy, it's sad to see someone's life fucked up by something so stupid. good luck buddy, you have a lot of friends behind you wishing you the best. take care
 
At this point, is there a reason to keep DNP_Guru's identity secret? If not, could somebody please post it or email me the information so I can search for news articles or other infomation that might become publicly available. I would like to follow this trial.

I hope DNP_Guru is acquitted.

As cuts pointed out, DNP_Guru has helped out a lot of people. We would probably think that it would be hard for the prosecution to make a case that DNP_Guru is such a bad guy, but unfortunately we won't be on the jury. It would be interesting to see whether his counsel would make some kind of an argument about balancing the "good" vs. "bad" at trial.
 
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Well, it seems that I "got the wrong" person. It was a guy in another area who was playing with things that he, IMO, should not have been playing with.

I hope this guy gets off. Still strange to me that this would be an FDA case.

Dexter
 
This whole situation sucks. Dnp_ guru was one of the good guys that had a lot of knowledge to share. I was thinking of using dnp last summer to lose some weight quickly. He actually told me to stay the fuck away from it after I told him I was an endurance athlete. If he didn't give a shit he would have sold it to me and looked the other way.

good luck to him
 
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dexter: the DEA and FBI have no interest in him. he is strictly an FDA matter. you will find out as the trial unfolds. also, from september 2001 to may 2002 is a very long time for trial to take place for a federal case. 8 months would have been average to fast for a state case, but not federal.

trevdog:

DNP_guru's real name is Sean Zhang. this is a public fact and has been published in many newspapers, so i don't think any moderator would object to my posting it up, but if they do they can take it down. some papers even included his home address!
 
The FDA ristricted the interstate shipment of dnp as a weightloss drug around 1935, this is what Guru is charge with. You see if the kid who died was in another state he violated the FDA's ban on interstate shipping. Otherwise he is in violation of no other laws.
 
Hbone said:
The FDA ristricted the interstate shipment of dnp as a weightloss drug around 1935, this is what Guru is charge with. You see if the kid who died was in another state he violated the FDA's ban on interstate shipping. Otherwise he is in violation of no other laws.
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yes, that is all he's charged with. to my knowledge he was not selling it "as a weight loss drug." interstate transportation of dnp as a research chemical or pesticide is perfectly legal.
 
that's a great press release. the charge was selling misbranded dnp, but the focus of all the newspapers is the death.

guess when the autopsy came out? in october, after all the publications... hmmm... too quick to judge? i see a lawsuit coming...
 
CYCLEON said:
no happy - think rec drugs - I remember the guy admitting it - bragging even before his demise
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Exactly. Ecstasy+DNP= Death.

I think we posted this like 1000 times, yet the person
in question still did it.

I have NO sympathy for him at ALL.

The parents are just on a personal vendetta. They are
trying to put blame on somebody else, not their "angelic"
child.

He made A CHOICE, NOBODY forced him to buy it.

Bloody ridiculous D** G*** got the blame.

Fonz
 
road kill said:
This whole situation sucks. Dnp_guru was one of the good guys that had a lot of knowledge to share. I was thinking of using dnp last summer to lose some weight quickly. He actually told me to stay the fuck away from it after I told him I was an endurance athlete. If he didn't give a shit he would have sold it to me and looked the other way.

good luck to him
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if only the prosecutors could know that...
 
Well since this is about DNP_guru and since he is a great guy and I am proud to say, a close friend, I feel I should add my 2 cents worth (like it matters) DNP was/is a great guy and was a great asset to this board as well as the internet board world as a whole. He was very well informned on what he was doin and saying to people and did nothing but try and help the best he could. The kid who died made some very stupid choices and that led to his death and it's sad that he died so young but he made stupid choices and payed the price and Guru should not be held at all responsable for his death. I pray all goes well for him and wish him and his family nothing but the best. Good Luck BUDDY!!

M18
 
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DNP vs Bubba

When DNP picks up the soap i hope he guards his hole!
 
HELLSPAWN said:


an intersting tidbit, the kid who died was an EF member. in his posts he said how much he loved accutane.
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Funny thing is that when they did a blood test, they found out that the kid was NOT on accutance at the time...

Bern
 
builtbc83 said:


Funny thing is that when they did a blood test, they found out that the kid was NOT on accutance at the time...

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i doubt accutane could have caused a death anyway... except for the guy who flew the plane into a building in florida lol.
 
Yeah those bastard cops emailed me, saying

Hey bro my DNP dealer was busted do you know any other dude that sell his crap,
that was one day before they arrest guru. I was freaked when they emailed me
on my email that I do business(one no ones knows here :D) with, not the one stated on EF, and the guy said he was elite member yadda bla kakabla , I spread his nick around to tell the bros to be carefull....

I searched the guy out and the guy post were ALL on dnp, same guy emailed a couple of other persons also DNP user believed to be "customers" on their private emails.

Three days later I was chatting on ICQ with some mods and they told me
Guru was busted two days ago, one day after my email, so I did the test and see

I emailed the guy and said sorry man my man is rumored to be down, so he told me guru nick and said oh yeah it was him my source, so do you any others that deal on that kind of stuffs? I never reply!!!!



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Here is another link that I found.
http://www.state.vt.us/atg/DNP.htm

Someone made a statement about one gram, this is from the article:

"The young man's death was reported to the State Health Department by the Long Island Poison Control Center, which indicated that the individual apparently ingested 600 milligrams of DNP a day for four days."

I did a search for DNP FDA DEATH and found several articles about this. I hope he can get a fair trial.

L8R
 
this shit is fucking stupid.

If i stick my head into my grill are my parents gonna sue George Foreman company?

this shit makes absolutely no sense at all.

you us peeps should be more like holland. roids, weed, shrooms, x are all legal or at least decriminalized here and none of this stupid shit goes on and people probably die LESS from inaccurate use.
 
BloatedCow said:
Here is another link that I found.
http://www.state.vt.us/atg/DNP.htm

Someone made a statement about one gram, this is from the article:

"The young man's death was reported to the State Health Department by the Long Island Poison Control Center, which indicated that the individual apparently ingested 600 milligrams of DNP a day for four days."

I did a search for DNP FDA DEATH and found several articles about this. I hope he can get a fair trial.

L8R
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Hell, is THAT all? I've taken 500mg a day for two weeks, frontloaded at 1000 and then 750 over the first two days.

With knowledge, research, brains and proper supplementation, all's good.
 
if the guy spent time in prison on another matter, what in the hell does it have to do with his valid patent showing dnp is a effective weight loss inducing tool?
 
SirWanksalot said:
if the guy spent time in prison on another matter, what in the hell does it have to do with his valid patent showing dnp is a effective weight loss inducing tool?
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nothing
 
omg i just realized who this is.... Hell of a smart guy too... man i hate when shit like this happens. Some chick at my school died of E cuz she had a preexisting heart condition and her parents sued the school cuz she was in a sorority (therefore affiliated with the university)... find the justice in that one... this isn't much different. IMO if you are prepared to use an illegal substance, you have to understand beforehand that it can be dangerous or even fatal. If you cannot accept these risks then GTFO.
 
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